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Very well put, Jacob. The difficult thing is as you say...being able to prove it.

True, it doesn't matter that we have certain things that indicate some supernal math abilities by the ancients, it only matters if we can replicate them. I can certainly look at the height of the pyramid against its base and see pi, but how to replicate it?

I can look at the dimensions of the upper and middle chamber and see indications of 360deg and parts of a circle both less than and greater than 360deg, not just as degrees but also inch measures, but how to replicate them?

I can look at the entrance glyph and see simple formulas associated with a circle and a square and indicating pi, but how to replicate it?

I investigate and research and analyze and put together a theory about the pyramid and a couple of its plans and can replicate that over and over again where the pyramid references the cosmos and Earth and circles and pi and phi, but I can't at all say how they did it.

In all these, something is always missing, and it is the book of how they did it all...you may be right...it doesn't matter that we have the thing right before us that says 'yes'; it only matters if there is more than the thing...if there is a book saying how they did it...hmm...quite true...never believe your own eyes as they don't know what they are describing when the eyes can assess something down to its parts. If there are no instructions, the thing does not exist.

I wonder how the ancient Greeks felt that they could not see the parts of an atom let alone the atom, and yet it took over 2,000 years before they were proved right. NOt a fair comparison at all, I admit, but they didn't even have an atom to see to describe...we at least have the pyramid itself.

You say there is a problem with fractions being used to define small parts of numbers, and I do like 628/200 + 1/628 as a good fraction for pi...probably a better formula just as simple to use does exist. That is an easy fraction that can be broken down into a string of fractions ala Egypt style. That fraction doesn't exist though as it isn't recorded in the very few papyri that we refer to as the compendium of ancient Egypt math and astronomy skills. A culture lasting several thousand years only has a few papyri left to show how advanced they weren't. Hmm...does there seem to be a slight problem with not accepting a high culture based upon a lack of written records despite the large edifices they built?

I guess I'll wait to see if anyone does enter the void found by a muon scan technique and wonder how it equates to my analysis identifying where the winter solstice sun is at noon...where the same sun is one hour before dawn in the intersection of descending and ascending passages...why Sirius and Canopus equate to the middle chamber and its niche and the half height of the pyramid...and why the height references the summer solstice sun at dawn. I'll wait because the book might be in that void, and it might show how they did it when we can already see it.

Well, I'll back off now. I don't have a papyrus to point at and say 'See'. All I have is the pyramid to point at.

Cheers and all the best with not-pi

if necessity is the mother of invention, why is there a monster under my bed?

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 3067 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 480 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 443 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 347 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 405 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 322 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 332 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 323 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 321 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 268 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 274 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 236 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 262 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 323 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 285 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 283 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 307 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 434 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 316 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 313 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 339 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 332 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 320 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 262 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 326 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 301 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 287 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 262 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 300 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 287 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 235 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 294 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 238 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 236 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 244 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 244 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 226 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 230 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 230 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 275 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 212 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 241 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 258 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 191 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 247 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 246 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 233 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 215 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 209 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 238 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 231 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 281 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 218 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 286 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 308 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 293 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 246 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 237 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 290 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 237 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 254 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 237 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 223 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 219 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 257 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 212 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 211 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 259 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 247 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 210 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 205 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 220 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 230 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 255 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 216 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 206 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 220 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 231 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 256 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 231 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 238 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 262 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 261 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 218 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 252 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 240 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 234 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 295 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 232 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 264 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 248 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 265 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 254 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 230 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 253 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 242 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 307 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 253 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 197 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 203 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 313 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 267 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 186 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 217 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 207 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 302 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 234 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 276 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 382 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 238 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 303 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 195 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 289 spaceyhippie 23-Jul-18 02:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 233 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 247 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 225 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 249 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 235 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 193 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 176 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 218 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 284 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 279 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 324 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 259 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 362 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 248 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 229 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 236 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 236 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 275 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 292 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 195 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 191 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 214 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 183 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 189 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 209 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 221 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 235 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 297 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 303 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 96 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 87 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 96 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 75 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 70 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 96 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 86 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 68 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 71 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 101 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 70 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 102 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 82 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 86 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 79 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 71 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 93 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 90 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 70 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 78 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 74 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 109 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 80 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 76 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 81 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 72 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 73 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 92 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 64 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 73 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 94 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 82 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 67 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 95 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 67 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 74 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 83 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 87 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 63 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 74 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 76 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 64 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 69 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 92 DavidK 28-Dec-19 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 86 engbren 28-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 93 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 80 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 79 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 80 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 127 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 98 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 83 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:42


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