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Very well put, Jacob. The difficult thing is as you say...being able to prove it.

True, it doesn't matter that we have certain things that indicate some supernal math abilities by the ancients, it only matters if we can replicate them. I can certainly look at the height of the pyramid against its base and see pi, but how to replicate it?

I can look at the dimensions of the upper and middle chamber and see indications of 360deg and parts of a circle both less than and greater than 360deg, not just as degrees but also inch measures, but how to replicate them?

I can look at the entrance glyph and see simple formulas associated with a circle and a square and indicating pi, but how to replicate it?

I investigate and research and analyze and put together a theory about the pyramid and a couple of its plans and can replicate that over and over again where the pyramid references the cosmos and Earth and circles and pi and phi, but I can't at all say how they did it.

In all these, something is always missing, and it is the book of how they did it all...you may be right...it doesn't matter that we have the thing right before us that says 'yes'; it only matters if there is more than the thing...if there is a book saying how they did it...hmm...quite true...never believe your own eyes as they don't know what they are describing when the eyes can assess something down to its parts. If there are no instructions, the thing does not exist.

I wonder how the ancient Greeks felt that they could not see the parts of an atom let alone the atom, and yet it took over 2,000 years before they were proved right. NOt a fair comparison at all, I admit, but they didn't even have an atom to see to describe...we at least have the pyramid itself.

You say there is a problem with fractions being used to define small parts of numbers, and I do like 628/200 + 1/628 as a good fraction for pi...probably a better formula just as simple to use does exist. That is an easy fraction that can be broken down into a string of fractions ala Egypt style. That fraction doesn't exist though as it isn't recorded in the very few papyri that we refer to as the compendium of ancient Egypt math and astronomy skills. A culture lasting several thousand years only has a few papyri left to show how advanced they weren't. Hmm...does there seem to be a slight problem with not accepting a high culture based upon a lack of written records despite the large edifices they built?

I guess I'll wait to see if anyone does enter the void found by a muon scan technique and wonder how it equates to my analysis identifying where the winter solstice sun is at noon...where the same sun is one hour before dawn in the intersection of descending and ascending passages...why Sirius and Canopus equate to the middle chamber and its niche and the half height of the pyramid...and why the height references the summer solstice sun at dawn. I'll wait because the book might be in that void, and it might show how they did it when we can already see it.

Well, I'll back off now. I don't have a papyrus to point at and say 'See'. All I have is the pyramid to point at.

Cheers and all the best with not-pi

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 2977 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 444 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 403 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 329 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 380 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 298 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 302 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 298 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 296 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 239 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 253 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 195 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 239 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 283 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 263 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 255 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 257 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 366 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 289 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 293 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 291 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 307 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 288 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 241 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 294 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 272 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 267 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 244 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 282 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 268 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 215 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 273 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 186 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 212 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 214 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 215 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 176 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 183 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 207 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 239 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 190 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 207 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 232 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 165 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 199 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 219 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 212 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 194 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 191 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 218 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 208 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 244 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 181 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 254 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 280 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 243 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 200 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 208 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 264 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 218 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 232 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 195 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 205 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 200 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 200 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 184 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 189 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 237 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 215 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 189 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 188 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 200 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 190 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 201 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 190 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 179 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 202 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 211 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 214 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 207 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 215 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 230 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 243 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 191 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 217 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 214 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 216 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 246 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 193 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 239 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 197 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 226 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 218 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 209 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 227 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 222 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 282 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 225 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 175 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 186 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 280 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 239 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 166 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 173 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 187 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 273 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 207 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 251 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 295 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 210 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 269 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 167 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 265 spaceyhippie 23-Jul-18 02:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 210 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 213 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 196 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 199 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 211 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 168 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 154 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 190 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 252 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 244 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 270 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 234 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 331 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 221 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 186 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 216 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 213 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 237 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 261 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 173 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 170 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 164 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 164 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 171 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 172 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 199 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 214 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 238 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 278 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 79 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 66 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 72 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 55 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 52 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 65 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 76 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 64 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 59 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 64 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 55 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 60 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 50 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 52 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 51 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 52 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 56 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 63 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 65 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 65 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 59 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 65 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 53 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 75 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 69 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 52 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 58 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 55 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 81 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 54 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 55 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 55 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 71 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 45 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 53 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 72 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 64 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 45 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 48 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 46 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 50 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 43 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 68 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 42 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 53 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 59 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 46 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 52 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 71 DavidK 28-Dec-19 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 65 engbren 28-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 62 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 57 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 58 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 75 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 65 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:42


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