Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Hi All,

We all know if one draws a square, the √2 is an inherent value of the diagonal within the square, similarly if one draws a circle then л is the inherent value within the circle relating the diameter to circumference. Is foreknowledge of either of these factors is necessary for the completion of either task?

Given there is no direct evidence the Ancient Egyptians were cognizant of pi to say they were is an assumption.
Is it possible the ancient method given the method circumnavigate pi all together? Because we perceive pi is not evidence the Ancient Egyptians used pi in their calculations? What could explain this misconception is an assumption, on our part, that our concepts, principles and elements are compatible with the methods employed by the Ancient Egyptians?
According to the thought process demonstrated in Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, problem #50 the answer would be: No, they did not employ pi as we do calculating the area of a circle. Now I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is a single problem involving circles and circular geometric calculation noted in the papyri where they did not use the (8/9 d)^2 formula from problem #50 Rhind Mathematical Papyrus.

Based on this information one could logically conclude they had no knowledge of pi, or if they did, chose not to use it. This fact should be evident to all the only logical conclusion is they did not use pi!

If todays concepts principles and elements are applied to Ancient Egyptian methods we could then say they were cognizant of the following:
(8/9×2r)^2 = (256 r^2)/81 and creates a Geometric parabola
Derivative: d/dr(((8×2 r)/9)^2) = (512 r)/81
Integral: (256 r^2)/81 dr = (256 r^3)/243 + constant
lim_(r->∞) (256 r^2)/81 = ∞
After all there is just as much Ancient Egyptian evidence to support these equations as there is to support the use of pi or phi.
Truth be known, in spite of all available evidence or lack there of, the question still remains unanswered: Did the Egyptians really know pi? After all the value of 256/81 is a value we have assigned and really based on an extrapolated figure from a single process in the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus and is not fact but actually an assumption on our part.

Regards,
Jacob

"True knowledge stands on its own merit, true knowledge needs no cheerleaders, only receptors. There is no amount of attitude that will strengthen true knowledge".~Author unknown!

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 3025 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 458 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 430 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 337 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 390 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 310 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 316 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 310 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 306 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 253 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 261 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 224 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 250 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 310 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 271 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 269 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 285 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 399 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 304 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 302 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 327 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 317 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 303 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 251 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 312 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 285 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 275 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 252 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 290 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 274 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 225 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 283 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 216 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 221 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 226 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 227 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 209 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 210 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 216 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 257 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 199 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 218 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 245 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 180 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 229 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 233 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 219 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 201 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 197 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 226 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 216 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 261 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 206 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 274 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 291 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 278 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 228 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 222 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 275 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 224 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 242 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 221 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 212 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 208 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 239 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 197 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 197 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 247 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 231 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 196 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 195 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 208 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 212 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 232 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 201 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 192 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 209 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 218 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 242 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 219 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 225 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 244 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 250 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 205 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 236 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 228 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 224 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 268 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 217 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 251 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 227 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 253 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 240 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 217 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 237 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 230 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 293 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 237 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 182 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 08:17
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 192 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 297 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 17:12
The math or the pyramid? 251 drew 27-Jun-18 20:46
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 173 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 197 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 196 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 287 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 220 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 262 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 345 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 225 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 287 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 180 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 277 spaceyhippie 23-Jul-18 02:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 221 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 235 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 208 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 228 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 220 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 179 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 162 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 206 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 267 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 257 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 304 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 248 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 344 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 233 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 213 DavidK 07-Aug-18 05:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 224 spaceyhippie 08-Aug-18 09:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 221 DavidK 08-Aug-18 09:39
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 264 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 278 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 182 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 178 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 199 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
Re: ROTFLMAO! 172 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:49
Re: ROTFLMAO! 178 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 15:03
Re: ROTFLMAO! 195 DavidK 09-Aug-18 21:39
Re: ROTFLMAO! 209 Sirfiroth 10-Aug-18 02:06
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 221 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 20:40
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 277 DavidK 10-Aug-18 07:59
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 287 Steve Clayton 12-Aug-18 18:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 86 DavidK 27-Dec-19 23:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 75 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 03:46
Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 82 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 04:59
Re: Pi. All Pi. All The Time. 62 molder 28-Dec-19 10:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 60 DavidK 28-Dec-19 10:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 84 Thanos5150 28-Dec-19 16:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 thinkitover 28-Dec-19 21:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 67 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:35
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 02:17
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 63 molder 29-Dec-19 04:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 69 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 12:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 57 molder 29-Dec-19 22:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 60 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 14:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 76 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 15:16
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 59 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 03:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 76 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-19 04:33
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 71 Sirfiroth 31-Dec-19 15:04
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 72 spaceyhippie 31-Dec-19 23:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 Thanos5150 29-Dec-19 04:29
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 67 DavidK 29-Dec-19 09:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 Sirfiroth 29-Dec-19 14:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 60 spaceyhippie 01-Jan-20 23:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 82 Sirfiroth 02-Jan-20 01:33
Pi vs Pudding 79 thinkitover 02-Jan-20 21:45
Re: Pi vs Pudding 59 spaceyhippie 03-Jan-20 00:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 66 seasmith 03-Jan-20 00:24
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 23:06
Re: Pi vs Pudding 97 seasmith 08-Jan-20 02:54
Re: Pi vs Pudding 69 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 03:36
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 molder 03-Jan-20 06:56
Re: Pi vs Pudding 70 Sirfiroth 03-Jan-20 18:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:02
LOL, now that was hilarious ! 62 Sirfiroth 04-Jan-20 05:51
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 81 hendrik dirker 04-Jan-20 09:32
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 52 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:37
Re: LOL, now that was hilarious ! 61 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 23:39
Re: Pi vs Pudding 82 molder 04-Jan-20 11:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 71 Sirfiroth 05-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi vs Pudding 54 molder 06-Jan-20 02:55
Re: Pi vs Pudding 69 magisterchessmutt 06-Jan-20 02:58
Re: Pi vs Pudding 54 molder 06-Jan-20 05:26
Re: Pi vs Pudding 58 spaceyhippie 07-Jan-20 01:32
Re: Pi vs Pudding 51 DavidK 07-Jan-20 02:02
Re: Pi vs Pudding 71 thinkitover 06-Jan-20 06:13
Re: Pi vs Pudding 76 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 02:18
Re: Pi vs Pudding 52 DavidK 07-Jan-20 14:25
Re: Pi vs Pudding 62 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 15:16
Re: Pi vs Pudding 65 DavidK 07-Jan-20 19:03
Re: Pi vs Pudding 53 Sirfiroth 07-Jan-20 20:08
Re: Pi vs Pudding 59 DavidK 07-Jan-20 20:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 DavidK 28-Dec-19 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 73 engbren 28-Dec-19 12:34
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 Sirfiroth 28-Dec-19 15:55
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 69 engbren 29-Dec-19 01:14
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 67 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-19 16:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 68 engbren 30-Dec-19 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 101 magisterchessmutt 30-Dec-19 23:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 83 engbren 31-Dec-19 11:31
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 72 spaceyhippie 04-Jan-20 00:42


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.