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Hi All,

We all know if one draws a square, the √2 is an inherent value of the diagonal within the square, similarly if one draws a circle then л is the inherent value within the circle relating the diameter to circumference. Is foreknowledge of either of these factors is necessary for the completion of either task?

Given there is no direct evidence the Ancient Egyptians were cognizant of pi to say they were is an assumption.
Is it possible the ancient method given the method circumnavigate pi all together? Because we perceive pi is not evidence the Ancient Egyptians used pi in their calculations? What could explain this misconception is an assumption, on our part, that our concepts, principles and elements are compatible with the methods employed by the Ancient Egyptians?
According to the thought process demonstrated in Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, problem #50 the answer would be: No, they did not employ pi as we do calculating the area of a circle. Now I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is a single problem involving circles and circular geometric calculation noted in the papyri where they did not use the (8/9 d)^2 formula from problem #50 Rhind Mathematical Papyrus.

Based on this information one could logically conclude they had no knowledge of pi, or if they did, chose not to use it. This fact should be evident to all the only logical conclusion is they did not use pi!

If todays concepts principles and elements are applied to Ancient Egyptian methods we could then say they were cognizant of the following:
(8/9×2r)^2 = (256 r^2)/81 and creates a Geometric parabola
Derivative: d/dr(((8×2 r)/9)^2) = (512 r)/81
Integral: (256 r^2)/81 dr = (256 r^3)/243 + constant
lim_(r->∞) (256 r^2)/81 = ∞
After all there is just as much Ancient Egyptian evidence to support these equations as there is to support the use of pi or phi.
Truth be known, in spite of all available evidence or lack there of, the question still remains unanswered: Did the Egyptians really know pi? After all the value of 256/81 is a value we have assigned and really based on an extrapolated figure from a single process in the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus and is not fact but actually an assumption on our part.

Regards,
Jacob

"True knowledge stands on its own merit, true knowledge needs no cheerleaders, only receptors. There is no amount of attitude that will strengthen true knowledge".~Author unknown!

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 1942 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 297 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 259 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 214 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 228 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 182 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 192 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 192 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 188 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 137 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 147 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 106 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 139 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 171 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
Re: cubit of 20.25? 164 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:15
Re: cubit of 20.25? 154 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 150 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 221 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 179 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 185 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 170 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 208 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 175 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 139 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 163 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 154 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 157 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 147 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 174 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 165 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 106 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 156 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 79 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 94 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
Re: extensions of numbers 108 drew 24-Jun-18 20:53
Re: extensions of numbers 110 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 90 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 80 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 107 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 117 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 102 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 101 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 118 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 77 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 105 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 90 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 111 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
Re: the primitive calculator 97 drew 27-Jun-18 01:56
Re: well put 108 cloister 24-Jun-18 09:43
Re: well put 119 Manu 24-Jun-18 12:59
Re: well put 90 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 128 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 82 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 147 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 152 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 137 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 94 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 106 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 160 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 108 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 134 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 92 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 104 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 97 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 92 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 86 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 89 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 98 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 104 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 94 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 93 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 95 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 84 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 84 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 94 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 81 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 97 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 117 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 95 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 121 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 102 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 119 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 142 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 97 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 115 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 117 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 107 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 126 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 87 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 123 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 95 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 117 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
Tripping over museum rods 110 drew 28-Jun-18 23:52
Museum rods 105 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 117 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 111 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 143 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 132 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
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Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 91 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
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Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 77 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 73 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 86 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 10:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 94 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 100 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 100 spaceyhippie 19-Jul-18 23:57
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 92 DavidK 20-Jul-18 08:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 108 spaceyhippie 20-Jul-18 21:58
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 82 DavidK 22-Jul-18 09:41
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 94 spaceyhippie 23-Jul-18 02:15
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 96 DavidK 23-Jul-18 08:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 92 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 81 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 95 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 93 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 76 Sirfiroth 24-Jul-18 13:11
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 69 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 77 Sirfiroth 27-Jul-18 15:45
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 85 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 104 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 97 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 79 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 132 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 82 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 77 spaceyhippie 09-Aug-18 02:32
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ROTFLMAO! 73 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
Re: ROTFLMAO! 72 DavidK 09-Aug-18 14:12
Re: ROTFLMAO! 71 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
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