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Hi All,

We all know if one draws a square, the √2 is an inherent value of the diagonal within the square, similarly if one draws a circle then л is the inherent value within the circle relating the diameter to circumference. Is foreknowledge of either of these factors is necessary for the completion of either task?

Given there is no direct evidence the Ancient Egyptians were cognizant of pi to say they were is an assumption.
Is it possible the ancient method given the method circumnavigate pi all together? Because we perceive pi is not evidence the Ancient Egyptians used pi in their calculations? What could explain this misconception is an assumption, on our part, that our concepts, principles and elements are compatible with the methods employed by the Ancient Egyptians?
According to the thought process demonstrated in Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, problem #50 the answer would be: No, they did not employ pi as we do calculating the area of a circle. Now I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is a single problem involving circles and circular geometric calculation noted in the papyri where they did not use the (8/9 d)^2 formula from problem #50 Rhind Mathematical Papyrus.

Based on this information one could logically conclude they had no knowledge of pi, or if they did, chose not to use it. This fact should be evident to all the only logical conclusion is they did not use pi!

If todays concepts principles and elements are applied to Ancient Egyptian methods we could then say they were cognizant of the following:
(8/9×2r)^2 = (256 r^2)/81 and creates a Geometric parabola
Derivative: d/dr(((8×2 r)/9)^2) = (512 r)/81
Integral: (256 r^2)/81 dr = (256 r^3)/243 + constant
lim_(r->∞) (256 r^2)/81 = ∞
After all there is just as much Ancient Egyptian evidence to support these equations as there is to support the use of pi or phi.
Truth be known, in spite of all available evidence or lack there of, the question still remains unanswered: Did the Egyptians really know pi? After all the value of 256/81 is a value we have assigned and really based on an extrapolated figure from a single process in the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus and is not fact but actually an assumption on our part.

Regards,
Jacob

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Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 1586 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 03:26
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 195 drew 06-Feb-18 04:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 153 Sirfiroth 06-Feb-18 17:37
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 139 drew 06-Feb-18 23:32
Re: Pi or no Pi ???????????????? 146 Dr. Troglodyte 07-Feb-18 14:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 96 molder 08-Feb-18 05:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 110 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 06:43
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 114 DavidK 08-Feb-18 10:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 110 molder 08-Feb-18 11:56
linking egyptian Pi to imperial Pi 66 DavidK 08-Feb-18 15:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 80 DavidK 08-Feb-18 13:58
cubit of 20.25? 60 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:12
where does Fibonacci Pi come from? 70 DavidK 08-Feb-18 14:49
Re: cubit of 20.25? 108 Sirfiroth 08-Feb-18 15:08
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Re: cubit of 20.25? 93 molder 09-Feb-18 03:58
Mod Note > Off-Topic Posts 85 Dr. Troglodyte 09-Feb-18 16:38
Re: cubit of 20.25? 145 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 21:02
Oh...what a shame... 96 drew 09-Feb-18 00:33
Re: Oh...what a shame... 105 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 04:47
Re: Oh...what a shame... 97 drew 09-Feb-18 06:02
Re: Oh...what a shame... 113 Sirfiroth 09-Feb-18 13:28
Re: Oh...what a shame... 83 DavidK 22-Jun-18 05:58
Re: Oh...what a shame... 64 drew 22-Jun-18 09:54
Re: Oh...what a shame... 73 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 13:32
Re: Oh...what a shame... 64 drew 22-Jun-18 22:27
Re: Oh...what a shame... 70 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 01:48
Re: well put 68 drew 23-Jun-18 08:08
To put it bluntly! 79 Sirfiroth 23-Jun-18 12:40
Re: well put 78 Manu 23-Jun-18 18:33
Re: extensions of numbers 54 drew 24-Jun-18 00:40
Re: extensions of numbers 70 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 04:50
Re: extensions of numbers 27 drew 24-Jun-18 08:36
Re: extensions of numbers 41 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:22
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Re: extensions of numbers 44 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:06
Re: extensions of numbers 41 DavidK 25-Jun-18 16:13
Re: extensions of numbers 29 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:46
the primitive calculator 47 drew 25-Jun-18 23:23
Re: the primitive calculator 41 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 02:24
Re: the primitive calculator 45 drew 26-Jun-18 07:06
Mod Note > Duplicate Post Removed 45 Dr. Troglodyte 26-Jun-18 12:45
Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 58 rodz111 26-Jun-18 13:55
Re: Newton's problem solved(the relation between the Roman foot and the Egyptian foot ) 27 drew 27-Jun-18 05:18
Re: the primitive calculator 45 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:00
Re: the primitive calculator 35 drew 27-Jun-18 00:01
Re: the primitive calculator 41 Sirfiroth 27-Jun-18 00:18
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Re: well put 40 cloister 24-Jun-18 18:14
Re: well put 48 cloister 29-Jun-18 08:48
Re: well put 34 drew 27-Jun-18 05:11
Re: Oh...what a shame... 68 Sirfiroth 22-Jun-18 12:21
Re: Oh...what a shame... 74 molder 23-Jun-18 00:24
Re: Oh...what a shame... 66 DavidK 23-Jun-18 21:06
Re: Oh...what a shame... 44 DavidK 24-Jun-18 07:41
Understanding the differences! 47 Sirfiroth 24-Jun-18 12:50
No pie for jacob 73 DavidK 24-Jun-18 08:54
Re: No pie for jacob 45 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 16:44
Re: No pie for jacob 71 DavidK 25-Jun-18 20:21
Re: No pie for jacob 35 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 23:19
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 51 molder 26-Jun-18 00:51
Re: what value for pi? 43 drew 26-Jun-18 14:11
Re: what value for pi? 35 molder 26-Jun-18 21:30
Re: what value for pi? 37 drew 26-Jun-18 23:42
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 37 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 14:55
Re: 5 values for pi in GP here are 3 35 molder 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 47 DavidK 26-Jun-18 10:34
Re: No pie for jacob 39 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 15:02
Re: No pie for jacob 36 DavidK 26-Jun-18 16:46
Re: No pie for jacob 42 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 17:12
Re: No pie for jacob 35 DavidK 26-Jun-18 18:58
Re: No pie for jacob 29 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 22:59
Re: No pie for jacob 43 DUNE 26-Jun-18 19:52
Re: No pie for jacob 34 DavidK 26-Jun-18 21:18
Re: No pie for jacob 38 Sirfiroth 26-Jun-18 23:10
Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 49 DavidK 27-Jun-18 05:37
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 41 drew 27-Jun-18 06:16
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 58 DavidK 27-Jun-18 10:25
Re: Hard evidence for base 100 using egyptian maths 47 drew 27-Jun-18 21:18
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 55 rodz111 25-Jun-18 17:48
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 61 Sirfiroth 25-Jun-18 19:54
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 43 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 53 molder 26-Jun-18 03:19
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 56 rodz111 26-Jun-18 03:30
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 44 molder 26-Jun-18 21:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 51 rodz111 28-Jun-18 07:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 38 drew 28-Jun-18 09:56
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 52 rodz111 28-Jun-18 11:09
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 36 drew 28-Jun-18 17:13
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 56 DavidK 28-Jun-18 20:00
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Museum rods 49 drew 29-Jun-18 00:20
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 52 rodz111 29-Jun-18 00:37
You're as much as a complainer as anyone but you're not... 56 drew 29-Jun-18 01:24
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 70 rodz111 30-Jun-18 01:21
You down and dirty so-n-so 61 drew 27-Jun-18 05:29
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Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 35 drew 27-Jun-18 09:49
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Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 27 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:04
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 19 Sirfiroth 17-Jul-18 23:16
Re: You down and dirty so-n-so 33 DavidK 17-Jul-18 23:20
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 24 molder 19-Jul-18 11:21
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 37 Sirfiroth 19-Jul-18 12:05
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 29 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 13:49
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 24 DavidK 23-Jul-18 22:23
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 25 Sirfiroth 23-Jul-18 23:52
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 25 DavidK 24-Jul-18 09:11
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 23 DavidK 27-Jul-18 06:13
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 30 spaceyhippie 24-Jul-18 02:44
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 32 DavidK 24-Jul-18 17:10
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 26 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 00:51
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 28 spaceyhippie 27-Jul-18 14:36
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 38 spaceyhippie 29-Jul-18 11:01
Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 27 DavidK 06-Aug-18 19:15
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Re: Pi or no Pi ?????????????? 40 DavidK 09-Aug-18 08:00
ROTFLMAO! 25 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 13:22
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Re: ROTFLMAO! 18 Sirfiroth 09-Aug-18 14:28
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