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Jon Ellison Wrote:
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> If it's an illustration of a real world steep
> sided isosceles triangle, the the first
> illustration appears to be of a beam suspended in
> equilibrium by two looped ropes.
Which would be a
> perfect way to visually describe the mathematical
> principles described in the text.
>

Jon

If one uses creative artist licence to look at pictures alone, and imagine then it could be the design concept for the Lost Ones delta wing anti-gravity stone hauling multi purpose space ship:

[upload.wikimedia.org]

But that is not what the writing (written description) says:

From the wiki link you posted:

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Wiki
Pyramids[edit]

The final six problems are related to the slopes of pyramids. A seked problem is reported by :[9]
If a pyramid is 250 cubits high and the side of its base 360 cubits long, what is its seked?"
The solution to the problem is given as the ratio of half the side of the base of the pyramid to its height, or the run-to-rise ratio of its face. In other words, the quantity found for the seked is the cotangent of the angle to the base of the pyramid and its face.[9]

I believe Martin might have been incorrect to speak of volume (although many problems deal with volumes) .The answer to your later question the problems or some of them are found 57 58 59. They talk about pyramids specifically and although may not refer to the actual dimensions of any particular real one , the dimensions in cubits are realistic.

Hope that helps?
Cheers

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