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The scribe of the Rhind papyrus states explicitly that it is a copy of an older document, which is lost and which, itself, may have been a copy of a much older document ... and so on.

The scribe writes:

"This book was copied in regnal year 33, month 4 of Akhet, under the majesty of the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Awserre, given life, from an ancient copy made in the time of the King of Upper and Lower Egypt Nimaatre. The scribe Ahmose writes this copy."

Nimaatre, also known as Amenemhet III, dates the ancient copy referred to by the scribe to circa 1850 BCE.

Much, much, closer to your dating of G1 after all ... especially if the Nimaatre papyrus was itself a copy of a yet earlier, and also lost, papyrus.

The relevance of the papyrus is in the depiction of the pyramid. The scribe, Ahmose, uses the logogram which is used as a determinative in the inscription of which Martin keeps reminding you, much to your chagrin.

It helps if you know what you are writing about, Philip.

:)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 16-Jan-18 17:39 by eyeofhorus33.

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Re: We need to start insisting NOW that the exploration of the New Chamber in the Pyramid be Live Streamed! 269 Martin Stower 14-Jan-18 19:59
Re: We need to start insisting NOW that the exploration of the New Chamber in the Pyramid be Live Streamed! 269 Martin Stower 15-Jan-18 17:21
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Re: We need to start insisting NOW that the exploration of the New Chamber in the Pyramid be Live Streamed! 294 theoferrum 14-Jan-18 19:36
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Re: We need to start insisting NOW that the exploration of the New Chamber in the Pyramid be Live Streamed! 255 Eddie Larry 15-Jan-18 22:12
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