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Hi Hendrik. I appreciate you taking the trouble to address this issue. I wish other people would give it more thought too, before making rash unverifiable claims.

I would agree with things being rather contrived. When ancient monuments are analysed mathematically all manner of contrivances appear out of thin air with little or no justification beyond fitting the chosen equation, and where they come from and what they are supposed to achieve beyond making the sums add up is another mystery. The rather inconvenient fact that in order to obtain the parameters needed to slip into these convenient equations in order to make them work is that the level of sophistication and technology that is needed is demonstrably missing, not just from the time in question but for thousands of years afterwards, something that is conveniently "overlooked"
If you think this is unfair then I again would like to know how the length of a day was measured to be 86400 seconds long( a contrived timeframe), in ancient Egypt. A little bit of time spent( I should say better spent) on the practicalities and problems involved in that soon shows how totally inadequate ancient technology was to take on that task, and how silly it is to base a theory on it or anything like it.
You could apply the same criteria to just about any of the parameters that are supposedly encoded in ancient monuments with the same inconclusive results. The solid verifiable evidence does not support the number theories, especially when scientifically derived parameters are used. There is a huge disconnect between theory and reality here.

This is a real problem for me, because I find these things too, and more besides. This is why I question the certainties that are expressed on here, and why I find it so frustrating when it's found to be empty beyond the equations, just more numbers adding up to nothing very much and daft claims built on sand to justify it. The same theories abounded on these forums 20 years ago and they haven't gone anywhere since.

So, Hendrik, if you applied the sort of analysis that is found on your impressive website to modern day structures with the same diligence, what would you find? I'm sure the pure number theorists would find much the same encoding in a football field as they find at Giza if they try hard enough, which would be the scientific thing to do, as a control on theory-bias.
Has anyone done that?



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The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 3003 DavidK 11-Jan-18 10:02
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 373 molder 11-Jan-18 11:09
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 386 DavidK 11-Jan-18 12:03
Jim Wakefield's Egyptian Pi. 375 DavidK 01-Feb-18 23:58
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 213 DavidK 14-Nov-18 08:34
23040 165 DavidK 22-Nov-18 21:54
Re: 23040 164 molder 22-Nov-18 22:45
Re: 23040 158 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:38
Re: 23040 160 molder 23-Nov-18 02:43
Re: 23040 161 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 13:36
Re: 23040 193 Manu 23-Nov-18 18:46
Re: 23040 176 molder 23-Nov-18 22:44
Re: 23040 165 Manu 23-Nov-18 23:10
Re: 23040 158 DavidK 24-Nov-18 00:11
Re: 23040 160 molder 24-Nov-18 01:30
Re: 23040 165 molder 24-Nov-18 03:14
Re: 23040 180 Manu 24-Nov-18 04:47
Re: 23040 162 DavidK 24-Nov-18 10:02
Re: 23040 179 molder 24-Nov-18 11:04
Re: 23040 174 Manu 24-Nov-18 15:01
Re: 23040 154 Sirfiroth 24-Nov-18 17:16
Re: 23040 154 Manu 24-Nov-18 19:45
Re: 23040 170 DavidK 24-Nov-18 21:08
Re: 23040 168 Manu 24-Nov-18 22:13
Re: 23040 161 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:36
Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 179 hendrik dirker 27-Nov-18 12:10
some thoughts 164 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:56
an anecdote 142 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 10:42
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 165 Sirfiroth 29-Nov-18 22:03
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 172 hendrik dirker 30-Nov-18 07:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 161 molder 24-Nov-18 23:37
Re: More than one value for pi used 170 Manu 25-Nov-18 18:56
Re: More than one value for pi used 156 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 132 Manu 26-Nov-18 14:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 127 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:08
Re: More than one value for pi used 150 Manu 27-Nov-18 11:15
Re: More than one value for pi used 132 molder 27-Nov-18 22:41
Re: More than one value for pi used 135 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 126 DavidK 27-Nov-18 23:35
Re: More than one value for pi used 132 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:50
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 158 M. J. Thomas 28-Nov-18 11:28
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 135 molder 01-Dec-18 12:55
Re: More than one value for pi used 137 molder 26-Nov-18 11:47
Re: More than one value for pi used 139 Manu 26-Nov-18 12:11
Earth depicted in the sky 202 hendrik dirker 24-Nov-18 17:28
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 147 molder 24-Nov-18 23:21
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 172 DavidK 25-Nov-18 08:35
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 138 DavidK 26-Nov-18 11:31
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 188 hendrik dirker 26-Nov-18 17:23
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 135 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:42
I dunno 146 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:22
Re: 23040 170 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:41
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 178 DavidK 23-Nov-18 09:53
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 134 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 14:06
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 141 DavidK 26-Nov-18 15:24
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 146 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 21:13
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 128 DavidK 27-Nov-18 09:16
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 155 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 01:10
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 143 DavidK 28-Nov-18 11:39
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 149 Manu 28-Nov-18 14:25
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 148 DavidK 28-Nov-18 16:14
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 138 Manu 28-Nov-18 17:20
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 135 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 00:52
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 133 Manu 30-Nov-18 02:12
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 139 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 17:04
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 131 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:02
Really loving Jim's 23040 and root 5 172 DavidK 23-Nov-18 16:29
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 341 DavidK 19-Mar-18 09:43
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 312 DavidK 08-May-18 10:31
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 234 DavidK 12-Nov-18 17:14
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 155 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:25
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 150 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 17:12
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 149 DavidK 30-Nov-18 15:28
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 156 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 16:52
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 144 molder 30-Nov-18 22:22
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 156 DavidK 30-Nov-18 22:45
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge 171 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 08:13
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 155 DavidK 01-Dec-18 10:49
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 138 molder 01-Dec-18 12:28
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 138 Sirfiroth 01-Dec-18 14:25
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 161 rodz111 01-Dec-18 18:36
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 140 DavidK 01-Dec-18 20:53
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 147 Sirfiroth 02-Dec-18 20:09
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 131 DavidK 02-Dec-18 22:55
Really that dense? 140 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 02:29
Re: Really that dense? 134 rodz111 03-Dec-18 03:40
Re: Really that dense? 140 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 14:37
Re: Really that dense? 134 rodz111 04-Dec-18 03:43
Re: Really that dense? 156 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 05:06
Re: Really that dense? 128 DavidK 04-Dec-18 10:13
Re: Really that dense? 128 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 15:01
Re: Really that dense? 120 DavidK 04-Dec-18 16:17
Re: Really that dense? 140 molder 04-Dec-18 10:27
Re: Really that dense? 139 DavidK 04-Dec-18 13:06
Re: Really that dense? 159 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 16:42
Re: Really that dense? 141 rodz111 04-Dec-18 21:38
Re: Really that dense? 132 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 23:38
Re: Really that dense? 144 DavidK 05-Dec-18 00:06
Re: Really that dense? 124 rodz111 05-Dec-18 16:32
Re: Really that dense? 125 rodz111 09-Dec-18 04:17
Re: Really that dense? 171 DavidK 03-Dec-18 09:19
Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 159 molder 05-Dec-18 21:40
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 156 DavidK 05-Dec-18 23:01
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 169 cloister 05-Dec-18 23:38
uhmm... every day? 140 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 06:42
Re: uhmmm... every day? 142 cloister 06-Dec-18 08:37
Re: uhmmm... every day? 145 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 09:06
Re: uhmmm... every day? 134 cloister 06-Dec-18 11:25
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 165 DavidK 06-Dec-18 10:04
Quite Simply! 159 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 13:55
Re: Quite Simply! 160 DUNE 07-Dec-18 11:24
Great Assumption! 159 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 14:44
Re: Great Assumption! 147 DUNE 07-Dec-18 16:49
Re: Great Assumption! 161 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 17:52
Re: Great Assumption! 136 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 02:28
Re: Great Assumption! 126 DUNE 08-Dec-18 09:05
Re: Great Assumption! 140 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 15:57
Re: Great Assumption! 142 DUNE 08-Dec-18 17:51
Re: Quite Simply! 154 DavidK 07-Dec-18 14:57
Re: Quite Simply! 146 DavidK 07-Dec-18 20:27
Re: Quite Simply! 136 DUNE 07-Dec-18 22:26
Re: Quite Simply! 157 DavidK 07-Dec-18 22:37
a load of numbers under scrtutiny 185 hendrik dirker 12-Dec-18 13:30
Papyrus of Pffft.... 166 cloister 12-Dec-18 16:01
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 144 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 12:16
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 135 cloister 14-Dec-18 14:52
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 141 Dr. Troglodyte 14-Dec-18 15:30
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 136 hendrik dirker 15-Dec-18 06:50
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 151 DavidK 15-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 158 cloister 15-Dec-18 21:27
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 143 rodz111 15-Dec-18 08:54
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 148 molder 18-Dec-18 22:18
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 163 DavidK 12-Dec-18 20:16
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 156 DUNE 12-Dec-18 21:51
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 157 cloister 12-Dec-18 22:59
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 145 gjb 13-Dec-18 01:53
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 167 DavidK 13-Dec-18 10:35
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 131 cloister 13-Dec-18 12:22
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 126 DavidK 13-Dec-18 12:39
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 131 cloister 13-Dec-18 13:04
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 149 gjb 13-Dec-18 12:54
440 & 280 162 hendrik dirker 13-Dec-18 06:51
Re: 440 & 280 141 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-18 11:51
Re:-Stop the World for a word... 161 rodz111 13-Dec-18 19:57
Re: Re:-Stop the World for a word... 165 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 06:04
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 152 molder 08-Dec-18 05:10
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 195 DavidK 08-Dec-18 09:15
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 175 DUNE 08-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 191 DavidK 09-Dec-18 09:53
Link to 277.777r at the GP 105 DavidK 25-Feb-19 19:37
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 116 DavidK 04-Mar-19 21:42
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP and 1111.1111r 56 DavidK 22-Mar-19 20:58
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 64 rodz111 23-Mar-19 02:27
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 82 DavidK 23-Mar-19 14:44
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 63 rodz111 24-Mar-19 09:28
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 75 Thanos5150 23-Mar-19 15:03
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 70 rodz111 24-Mar-19 01:56
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 75 Thanos5150 24-Mar-19 03:32
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 63 rodz111 24-Mar-19 06:14
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 74 DavidK 24-Mar-19 13:35
closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 56 DavidK 24-Mar-19 16:33
Re: closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 59 rodz111 24-Mar-19 20:00
Re: closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 67 DavidK 25-Mar-19 08:18
Stanton Drew 55 molder 27-Mar-19 22:14
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 52 DavidK 28-Mar-19 07:37
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 46 molder 29-Mar-19 10:33
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 52 DUNE 29-Mar-19 11:16
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 72 DavidK 29-Mar-19 13:31
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 71 molder 29-Mar-19 20:48


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