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Hi Rod,

All that is necessary is for anyone to produce one shred of archival evidence of their having noted pi or pi approximate as a mathematical concept. The Ancient Egyptians were trained in cubits, unit fractions and seked and sadly therein lies the problem. The Ancient Egyptians by the use of unit fractions were unable to express mathematically our values of pi, phi, sqrt2, sqrt3 or sqrt5. If they were unable to express these values in their writings how could they possibly be used in their calculations or designs?

From the ancient archives problem #50 of the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, we know the Ancient Egyptian used 8/9 diameter squared to find the approximate area of a circle. The written solution says, "subtract 1/9 of of the diameter which leaves 8 khet. The area is 8 multiplied by 8, or 64 setat." Where is there any mention of pi?

There is also problem #10 of the Moscow Mathematical Papyrus calculating the the surface area of a hemisphere by a similar method. "Take 1/9 of 9 (since) the basket is half an egg-shell. You get 1 Calculate the remainder which is 8. Calculate 1/9 of 8. You get 2/3 + 1/6 + 1/18. Find the remainder of this 8 after subtracting 2/3 + 1/6 + 1/18. You get 7 + 1/9. Multiply 7 + 1/9 by 4 + 1/2. You get 32. Behold this is its area. You have found it correctly". Where is there any mention of pi.

Although everyone assumes and wants to believe otherwise neither of these methods made use of pi. There is not one mention of pi or an approximation of pi anywhere in the ancient archives. Logically if there are no notations of pi in the ancient archives it should be evident they did not feel pi important enough to their world of mathematics to be noted.

Our finding pi ratio in a circle doesn't prove a thing since finding pi, an inherent value of any circle, is what we were trained to do. Not true of the Ancient Egyptian Builders. Ten million calculation finding pi does not prove the Ancient Egyptians were aware of pi! One notation from the ancient archives will!

Jacob

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The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 2262 DavidK 11-Jan-18 10:02
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 279 molder 11-Jan-18 11:09
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 297 DavidK 11-Jan-18 12:03
Jim Wakefield's Egyptian Pi. 277 DavidK 01-Feb-18 23:58
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 125 DavidK 14-Nov-18 08:34
23040 84 DavidK 22-Nov-18 21:54
Re: 23040 77 molder 22-Nov-18 22:45
Re: 23040 84 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:38
Re: 23040 87 molder 23-Nov-18 02:43
Re: 23040 85 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 13:36
Re: 23040 109 Manu 23-Nov-18 18:46
Re: 23040 92 molder 23-Nov-18 22:44
Re: 23040 88 Manu 23-Nov-18 23:10
Re: 23040 68 DavidK 24-Nov-18 00:11
Re: 23040 83 molder 24-Nov-18 01:30
Re: 23040 82 molder 24-Nov-18 03:14
Re: 23040 90 Manu 24-Nov-18 04:47
Re: 23040 81 DavidK 24-Nov-18 10:02
Re: 23040 92 molder 24-Nov-18 11:04
Re: 23040 91 Manu 24-Nov-18 15:01
Re: 23040 82 Sirfiroth 24-Nov-18 17:16
Re: 23040 75 Manu 24-Nov-18 19:45
Re: 23040 85 DavidK 24-Nov-18 21:08
Re: 23040 88 Manu 24-Nov-18 22:13
Re: 23040 76 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:36
Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 96 hendrik dirker 27-Nov-18 12:10
some thoughts 87 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:56
an anecdote 70 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 10:42
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 85 Sirfiroth 29-Nov-18 22:03
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 95 hendrik dirker 30-Nov-18 07:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 89 molder 24-Nov-18 23:37
Re: More than one value for pi used 89 Manu 25-Nov-18 18:56
Re: More than one value for pi used 90 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 63 Manu 26-Nov-18 14:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 61 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:08
Re: More than one value for pi used 77 Manu 27-Nov-18 11:15
Re: More than one value for pi used 66 molder 27-Nov-18 22:41
Re: More than one value for pi used 65 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 62 DavidK 27-Nov-18 23:35
Re: More than one value for pi used 66 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:50
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 78 M. J. Thomas 28-Nov-18 11:28
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 63 molder 01-Dec-18 12:55
Re: More than one value for pi used 64 molder 26-Nov-18 11:47
Re: More than one value for pi used 71 Manu 26-Nov-18 12:11
Earth depicted in the sky 126 hendrik dirker 24-Nov-18 17:28
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 70 molder 24-Nov-18 23:21
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 91 DavidK 25-Nov-18 08:35
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 67 DavidK 26-Nov-18 11:31
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 110 hendrik dirker 26-Nov-18 17:23
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 62 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:42
I dunno 69 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:22
Re: 23040 93 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:41
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 102 DavidK 23-Nov-18 09:53
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 69 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 14:06
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 71 DavidK 26-Nov-18 15:24
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 74 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 21:13
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 61 DavidK 27-Nov-18 09:16
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 67 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 01:10
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 69 DavidK 28-Nov-18 11:39
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 74 Manu 28-Nov-18 14:25
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 71 DavidK 28-Nov-18 16:14
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 69 Manu 28-Nov-18 17:20
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 64 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 00:52
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 63 Manu 30-Nov-18 02:12
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 67 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 17:04
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 62 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:02
Really loving Jim's 23040 and root 5 97 DavidK 23-Nov-18 16:29
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 265 DavidK 19-Mar-18 09:43
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 226 DavidK 08-May-18 10:31
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 150 DavidK 12-Nov-18 17:14
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 85 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:25
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 78 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 17:12
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 80 DavidK 30-Nov-18 15:28
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 82 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 16:52
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 71 molder 30-Nov-18 22:22
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 80 DavidK 30-Nov-18 22:45
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge 93 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 08:13
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 81 DavidK 01-Dec-18 10:49
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 66 molder 01-Dec-18 12:28
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 72 Sirfiroth 01-Dec-18 14:25
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 81 rodz111 01-Dec-18 18:36
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 74 DavidK 01-Dec-18 20:53
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 71 Sirfiroth 02-Dec-18 20:09
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 65 DavidK 02-Dec-18 22:55
Really that dense? 64 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 02:29
Re: Really that dense? 64 rodz111 03-Dec-18 03:40
Re: Really that dense? 73 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 14:37
Re: Really that dense? 66 rodz111 04-Dec-18 03:43
Re: Really that dense? 79 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 05:06
Re: Really that dense? 66 DavidK 04-Dec-18 10:13
Re: Really that dense? 61 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 15:01
Re: Really that dense? 55 DavidK 04-Dec-18 16:17
Re: Really that dense? 71 molder 04-Dec-18 10:27
Re: Really that dense? 64 DavidK 04-Dec-18 13:06
Re: Really that dense? 87 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 16:42
Re: Really that dense? 63 rodz111 04-Dec-18 21:38
Re: Really that dense? 65 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 23:38
Re: Really that dense? 71 DavidK 05-Dec-18 00:06
Re: Really that dense? 54 rodz111 05-Dec-18 16:32
Re: Really that dense? 53 rodz111 09-Dec-18 04:17
Re: Really that dense? 92 DavidK 03-Dec-18 09:19
Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 86 molder 05-Dec-18 21:40
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 79 DavidK 05-Dec-18 23:01
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 90 cloister 05-Dec-18 23:38
uhmm... every day? 67 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 06:42
Re: uhmmm... every day? 68 cloister 06-Dec-18 08:37
Re: uhmmm... every day? 74 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 09:06
Re: uhmmm... every day? 61 cloister 06-Dec-18 11:25
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 84 DavidK 06-Dec-18 10:04
Quite Simply! 91 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 13:55
Re: Quite Simply! 85 DUNE 07-Dec-18 11:24
Great Assumption! 81 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 14:44
Re: Great Assumption! 77 DUNE 07-Dec-18 16:49
Re: Great Assumption! 84 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 17:52
Re: Great Assumption! 66 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 02:28
Re: Great Assumption! 53 DUNE 08-Dec-18 09:05
Re: Great Assumption! 67 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 15:57
Re: Great Assumption! 71 DUNE 08-Dec-18 17:51
Re: Quite Simply! 76 DavidK 07-Dec-18 14:57
Re: Quite Simply! 71 DavidK 07-Dec-18 20:27
Re: Quite Simply! 67 DUNE 07-Dec-18 22:26
Re: Quite Simply! 75 DavidK 07-Dec-18 22:37
a load of numbers under scrtutiny 109 hendrik dirker 12-Dec-18 13:30
Papyrus of Pffft.... 83 cloister 12-Dec-18 16:01
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 69 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 12:16
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 63 cloister 14-Dec-18 14:52
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 68 Dr. Troglodyte 14-Dec-18 15:30
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 64 hendrik dirker 15-Dec-18 06:50
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 81 DavidK 15-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 83 cloister 15-Dec-18 21:27
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 67 rodz111 15-Dec-18 08:54
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 66 molder 18-Dec-18 22:18
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 88 DavidK 12-Dec-18 20:16
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 77 DUNE 12-Dec-18 21:51
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 75 cloister 12-Dec-18 22:59
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 77 gjb 13-Dec-18 01:53
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 83 DavidK 13-Dec-18 10:35
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 58 cloister 13-Dec-18 12:22
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 59 DavidK 13-Dec-18 12:39
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 66 cloister 13-Dec-18 13:04
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 73 gjb 13-Dec-18 12:54
440 & 280 87 hendrik dirker 13-Dec-18 06:51
Re: 440 & 280 71 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-18 11:51
Re:-Stop the World for a word... 77 rodz111 13-Dec-18 19:57
Re: Re:-Stop the World for a word... 80 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 06:04
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 82 molder 08-Dec-18 05:10
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 109 DavidK 08-Dec-18 09:15
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 89 DUNE 08-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 104 DavidK 09-Dec-18 09:53


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