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Hi Rod,

All that is necessary is for anyone to produce one shred of archival evidence of their having noted pi or pi approximate as a mathematical concept. The Ancient Egyptians were trained in cubits, unit fractions and seked and sadly therein lies the problem. The Ancient Egyptians by the use of unit fractions were unable to express mathematically our values of pi, phi, sqrt2, sqrt3 or sqrt5. If they were unable to express these values in their writings how could they possibly be used in their calculations or designs?

From the ancient archives problem #50 of the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, we know the Ancient Egyptian used 8/9 diameter squared to find the approximate area of a circle. The written solution says, "subtract 1/9 of of the diameter which leaves 8 khet. The area is 8 multiplied by 8, or 64 setat." Where is there any mention of pi?

There is also problem #10 of the Moscow Mathematical Papyrus calculating the the surface area of a hemisphere by a similar method. "Take 1/9 of 9 (since) the basket is half an egg-shell. You get 1 Calculate the remainder which is 8. Calculate 1/9 of 8. You get 2/3 + 1/6 + 1/18. Find the remainder of this 8 after subtracting 2/3 + 1/6 + 1/18. You get 7 + 1/9. Multiply 7 + 1/9 by 4 + 1/2. You get 32. Behold this is its area. You have found it correctly". Where is there any mention of pi.

Although everyone assumes and wants to believe otherwise neither of these methods made use of pi. There is not one mention of pi or an approximation of pi anywhere in the ancient archives. Logically if there are no notations of pi in the ancient archives it should be evident they did not feel pi important enough to their world of mathematics to be noted.

Our finding pi ratio in a circle doesn't prove a thing since finding pi, an inherent value of any circle, is what we were trained to do. Not true of the Ancient Egyptian Builders. Ten million calculation finding pi does not prove the Ancient Egyptians were aware of pi! One notation from the ancient archives will!

Jacob

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The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 2939 DavidK 11-Jan-18 10:02
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 347 molder 11-Jan-18 11:09
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 361 DavidK 11-Jan-18 12:03
Jim Wakefield's Egyptian Pi. 349 DavidK 01-Feb-18 23:58
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 189 DavidK 14-Nov-18 08:34
23040 145 DavidK 22-Nov-18 21:54
Re: 23040 142 molder 22-Nov-18 22:45
Re: 23040 138 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:38
Re: 23040 141 molder 23-Nov-18 02:43
Re: 23040 140 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 13:36
Re: 23040 170 Manu 23-Nov-18 18:46
Re: 23040 153 molder 23-Nov-18 22:44
Re: 23040 147 Manu 23-Nov-18 23:10
Re: 23040 132 DavidK 24-Nov-18 00:11
Re: 23040 139 molder 24-Nov-18 01:30
Re: 23040 139 molder 24-Nov-18 03:14
Re: 23040 157 Manu 24-Nov-18 04:47
Re: 23040 141 DavidK 24-Nov-18 10:02
Re: 23040 158 molder 24-Nov-18 11:04
Re: 23040 152 Manu 24-Nov-18 15:01
Re: 23040 135 Sirfiroth 24-Nov-18 17:16
Re: 23040 135 Manu 24-Nov-18 19:45
Re: 23040 147 DavidK 24-Nov-18 21:08
Re: 23040 145 Manu 24-Nov-18 22:13
Re: 23040 136 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:36
Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 158 hendrik dirker 27-Nov-18 12:10
some thoughts 143 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:56
an anecdote 123 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 10:42
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 139 Sirfiroth 29-Nov-18 22:03
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 150 hendrik dirker 30-Nov-18 07:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 138 molder 24-Nov-18 23:37
Re: More than one value for pi used 144 Manu 25-Nov-18 18:56
Re: More than one value for pi used 137 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 113 Manu 26-Nov-18 14:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 109 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:08
Re: More than one value for pi used 128 Manu 27-Nov-18 11:15
Re: More than one value for pi used 114 molder 27-Nov-18 22:41
Re: More than one value for pi used 116 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 108 DavidK 27-Nov-18 23:35
Re: More than one value for pi used 111 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:50
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 136 M. J. Thomas 28-Nov-18 11:28
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 113 molder 01-Dec-18 12:55
Re: More than one value for pi used 116 molder 26-Nov-18 11:47
Re: More than one value for pi used 120 Manu 26-Nov-18 12:11
Earth depicted in the sky 181 hendrik dirker 24-Nov-18 17:28
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 125 molder 24-Nov-18 23:21
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 149 DavidK 25-Nov-18 08:35
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 118 DavidK 26-Nov-18 11:31
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 165 hendrik dirker 26-Nov-18 17:23
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 116 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:42
I dunno 121 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:22
Re: 23040 149 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:41
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 155 DavidK 23-Nov-18 09:53
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 117 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 14:06
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 121 DavidK 26-Nov-18 15:24
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 127 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 21:13
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 107 DavidK 27-Nov-18 09:16
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 124 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 01:10
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 121 DavidK 28-Nov-18 11:39
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 128 Manu 28-Nov-18 14:25
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 124 DavidK 28-Nov-18 16:14
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 118 Manu 28-Nov-18 17:20
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 114 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 00:52
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 114 Manu 30-Nov-18 02:12
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 117 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 17:04
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 113 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:02
Really loving Jim's 23040 and root 5 152 DavidK 23-Nov-18 16:29
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 317 DavidK 19-Mar-18 09:43
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 287 DavidK 08-May-18 10:31
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 211 DavidK 12-Nov-18 17:14
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 136 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:25
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 130 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 17:12
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 129 DavidK 30-Nov-18 15:28
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 134 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 16:52
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 123 molder 30-Nov-18 22:22
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 133 DavidK 30-Nov-18 22:45
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge 147 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 08:13
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 134 DavidK 01-Dec-18 10:49
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 118 molder 01-Dec-18 12:28
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 117 Sirfiroth 01-Dec-18 14:25
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 136 rodz111 01-Dec-18 18:36
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 121 DavidK 01-Dec-18 20:53
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 125 Sirfiroth 02-Dec-18 20:09
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 113 DavidK 02-Dec-18 22:55
Really that dense? 119 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 02:29
Re: Really that dense? 116 rodz111 03-Dec-18 03:40
Re: Really that dense? 120 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 14:37
Re: Really that dense? 114 rodz111 04-Dec-18 03:43
Re: Really that dense? 136 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 05:06
Re: Really that dense? 113 DavidK 04-Dec-18 10:13
Re: Really that dense? 110 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 15:01
Re: Really that dense? 103 DavidK 04-Dec-18 16:17
Re: Really that dense? 122 molder 04-Dec-18 10:27
Re: Really that dense? 119 DavidK 04-Dec-18 13:06
Re: Really that dense? 140 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 16:42
Re: Really that dense? 119 rodz111 04-Dec-18 21:38
Re: Really that dense? 112 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 23:38
Re: Really that dense? 124 DavidK 05-Dec-18 00:06
Re: Really that dense? 106 rodz111 05-Dec-18 16:32
Re: Really that dense? 106 rodz111 09-Dec-18 04:17
Re: Really that dense? 147 DavidK 03-Dec-18 09:19
Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 141 molder 05-Dec-18 21:40
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 138 DavidK 05-Dec-18 23:01
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 146 cloister 05-Dec-18 23:38
uhmm... every day? 121 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 06:42
Re: uhmmm... every day? 123 cloister 06-Dec-18 08:37
Re: uhmmm... every day? 125 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 09:06
Re: uhmmm... every day? 116 cloister 06-Dec-18 11:25
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 142 DavidK 06-Dec-18 10:04
Quite Simply! 139 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 13:55
Re: Quite Simply! 139 DUNE 07-Dec-18 11:24
Great Assumption! 133 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 14:44
Re: Great Assumption! 129 DUNE 07-Dec-18 16:49
Re: Great Assumption! 140 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 17:52
Re: Great Assumption! 115 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 02:28
Re: Great Assumption! 107 DUNE 08-Dec-18 09:05
Re: Great Assumption! 120 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 15:57
Re: Great Assumption! 123 DUNE 08-Dec-18 17:51
Re: Quite Simply! 131 DavidK 07-Dec-18 14:57
Re: Quite Simply! 125 DavidK 07-Dec-18 20:27
Re: Quite Simply! 117 DUNE 07-Dec-18 22:26
Re: Quite Simply! 132 DavidK 07-Dec-18 22:37
a load of numbers under scrtutiny 167 hendrik dirker 12-Dec-18 13:30
Papyrus of Pffft.... 144 cloister 12-Dec-18 16:01
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 123 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 12:16
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 114 cloister 14-Dec-18 14:52
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 121 Dr. Troglodyte 14-Dec-18 15:30
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 118 hendrik dirker 15-Dec-18 06:50
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 132 DavidK 15-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 137 cloister 15-Dec-18 21:27
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 124 rodz111 15-Dec-18 08:54
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 125 molder 18-Dec-18 22:18
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 143 DavidK 12-Dec-18 20:16
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 132 DUNE 12-Dec-18 21:51
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 132 cloister 12-Dec-18 22:59
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 128 gjb 13-Dec-18 01:53
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 145 DavidK 13-Dec-18 10:35
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 113 cloister 13-Dec-18 12:22
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 109 DavidK 13-Dec-18 12:39
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 114 cloister 13-Dec-18 13:04
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 129 gjb 13-Dec-18 12:54
440 & 280 138 hendrik dirker 13-Dec-18 06:51
Re: 440 & 280 121 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-18 11:51
Re:-Stop the World for a word... 137 rodz111 13-Dec-18 19:57
Re: Re:-Stop the World for a word... 140 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 06:04
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 136 molder 08-Dec-18 05:10
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 170 DavidK 08-Dec-18 09:15
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 149 DUNE 08-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 172 DavidK 09-Dec-18 09:53
Link to 277.777r at the GP 83 DavidK 25-Feb-19 19:37
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 94 DavidK 04-Mar-19 21:42
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP and 1111.1111r 37 DavidK 22-Mar-19 20:58
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 43 rodz111 23-Mar-19 02:27
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 58 DavidK 23-Mar-19 14:44
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 40 rodz111 24-Mar-19 09:28
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 50 Thanos5150 23-Mar-19 15:03
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 44 rodz111 24-Mar-19 01:56
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 52 Thanos5150 24-Mar-19 03:32
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 44 rodz111 24-Mar-19 06:14
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 57 DavidK 24-Mar-19 13:35
closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 40 DavidK 24-Mar-19 16:33
Re: closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 41 rodz111 24-Mar-19 20:00
Re: closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 48 DavidK 25-Mar-19 08:18
Stanton Drew 35 molder 27-Mar-19 22:14
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 31 DavidK 28-Mar-19 07:37
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 29 molder 29-Mar-19 10:33
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 33 DUNE 29-Mar-19 11:16
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 56 DavidK 29-Mar-19 13:31
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 46 molder 29-Mar-19 20:48


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