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Hi Rod,

All that is necessary is for anyone to produce one shred of archival evidence of their having noted pi or pi approximate as a mathematical concept. The Ancient Egyptians were trained in cubits, unit fractions and seked and sadly therein lies the problem. The Ancient Egyptians by the use of unit fractions were unable to express mathematically our values of pi, phi, sqrt2, sqrt3 or sqrt5. If they were unable to express these values in their writings how could they possibly be used in their calculations or designs?

From the ancient archives problem #50 of the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, we know the Ancient Egyptian used 8/9 diameter squared to find the approximate area of a circle. The written solution says, "subtract 1/9 of of the diameter which leaves 8 khet. The area is 8 multiplied by 8, or 64 setat." Where is there any mention of pi?

There is also problem #10 of the Moscow Mathematical Papyrus calculating the the surface area of a hemisphere by a similar method. "Take 1/9 of 9 (since) the basket is half an egg-shell. You get 1 Calculate the remainder which is 8. Calculate 1/9 of 8. You get 2/3 + 1/6 + 1/18. Find the remainder of this 8 after subtracting 2/3 + 1/6 + 1/18. You get 7 + 1/9. Multiply 7 + 1/9 by 4 + 1/2. You get 32. Behold this is its area. You have found it correctly". Where is there any mention of pi.

Although everyone assumes and wants to believe otherwise neither of these methods made use of pi. There is not one mention of pi or an approximation of pi anywhere in the ancient archives. Logically if there are no notations of pi in the ancient archives it should be evident they did not feel pi important enough to their world of mathematics to be noted.

Our finding pi ratio in a circle doesn't prove a thing since finding pi, an inherent value of any circle, is what we were trained to do. Not true of the Ancient Egyptian Builders. Ten million calculation finding pi does not prove the Ancient Egyptians were aware of pi! One notation from the ancient archives will!

Jacob

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The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 3727 DavidK 11-Jan-18 10:02
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 553 molder 11-Jan-18 11:09
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 557 DavidK 11-Jan-18 12:03
Jim Wakefield's Egyptian Pi. 576 DavidK 01-Feb-18 23:58
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 399 DavidK 14-Nov-18 08:34
23040 313 DavidK 22-Nov-18 21:54
Re: 23040 336 molder 22-Nov-18 22:45
Re: 23040 314 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:38
Re: 23040 308 molder 23-Nov-18 02:43
Re: 23040 310 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 13:36
Re: 23040 365 Manu 23-Nov-18 18:46
Re: 23040 325 molder 23-Nov-18 22:44
Re: 23040 324 Manu 23-Nov-18 23:10
Re: 23040 326 DavidK 24-Nov-18 00:11
Re: 23040 309 molder 24-Nov-18 01:30
Re: 23040 323 molder 24-Nov-18 03:14
Re: 23040 375 Manu 24-Nov-18 04:47
Re: 23040 336 DavidK 24-Nov-18 10:02
Re: 23040 341 molder 24-Nov-18 11:04
Re: 23040 329 Manu 24-Nov-18 15:01
Re: 23040 337 Sirfiroth 24-Nov-18 17:16
Re: 23040 334 Manu 24-Nov-18 19:45
Re: 23040 334 DavidK 24-Nov-18 21:08
Re: 23040 332 Manu 24-Nov-18 22:13
Re: 23040 320 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:36
Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 372 hendrik dirker 27-Nov-18 12:10
some thoughts 360 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:56
an anecdote 329 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 10:42
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 359 Sirfiroth 29-Nov-18 22:03
Re: Earth combined in sphere & octahedron 374 hendrik dirker 30-Nov-18 07:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 300 molder 24-Nov-18 23:37
Re: More than one value for pi used 323 Manu 25-Nov-18 18:56
Re: More than one value for pi used 334 DavidK 25-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 268 Manu 26-Nov-18 14:33
Re: More than one value for pi used 299 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:08
Re: More than one value for pi used 282 Manu 27-Nov-18 11:15
Re: More than one value for pi used 291 molder 27-Nov-18 22:41
Re: More than one value for pi used 300 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:12
Re: More than one value for pi used 276 DavidK 27-Nov-18 23:35
Re: More than one value for pi used 272 Manu 27-Nov-18 23:50
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 369 M. J. Thomas 28-Nov-18 11:28
Re: Holes in Grand Gallery ramps 279 molder 01-Dec-18 12:55
Re: More than one value for pi used 273 molder 26-Nov-18 11:47
Re: More than one value for pi used 282 Manu 26-Nov-18 12:11
Re: 23040 85 DavidK 24-Dec-19 00:52
Re: 23040 90 Sirfiroth 26-Dec-19 14:30
Re: 23040 58 DavidK 27-Dec-19 19:05
Re: 23040 135 Sirfiroth 27-Dec-19 21:04
Earth depicted in the sky 380 hendrik dirker 24-Nov-18 17:28
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 286 molder 24-Nov-18 23:21
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 356 DavidK 25-Nov-18 08:35
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 291 DavidK 26-Nov-18 11:31
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 407 hendrik dirker 26-Nov-18 17:23
Re: Earth depicted in the sky 21600 flagged 272 DavidK 27-Nov-18 10:42
I dunno 311 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 16:22
Re: 23040 317 Sirfiroth 23-Nov-18 00:41
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 325 DavidK 23-Nov-18 09:53
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 267 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 14:06
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 302 DavidK 26-Nov-18 15:24
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 307 Sirfiroth 26-Nov-18 21:13
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 276 DavidK 27-Nov-18 09:16
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 394 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 01:10
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 290 DavidK 28-Nov-18 11:39
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 305 Manu 28-Nov-18 14:25
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 290 DavidK 28-Nov-18 16:14
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 288 Manu 28-Nov-18 17:20
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 278 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 00:52
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 311 Manu 30-Nov-18 02:12
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 284 Sirfiroth 28-Nov-18 17:04
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 292 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:02
Re: 23040 and writing real Pi 73 thinkitover 24-Dec-19 16:07
Really loving Jim's 23040 and root 5 335 DavidK 23-Nov-18 16:29
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 57 DavidK 27-Dec-19 19:17
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 522 DavidK 19-Mar-18 09:43
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 472 DavidK 08-May-18 10:31
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 404 DavidK 12-Nov-18 17:14
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 291 DavidK 28-Nov-18 20:25
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 312 hendrik dirker 29-Nov-18 17:12
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 375 DavidK 30-Nov-18 15:28
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 318 Sirfiroth 30-Nov-18 16:52
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 298 molder 30-Nov-18 22:22
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 322 DavidK 30-Nov-18 22:45
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge 360 hendrik dirker 01-Dec-18 08:13
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 322 DavidK 01-Dec-18 10:49
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 272 molder 01-Dec-18 12:28
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 292 Sirfiroth 01-Dec-18 14:25
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 377 rodz111 01-Dec-18 18:36
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 298 DavidK 01-Dec-18 20:53
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 328 Sirfiroth 02-Dec-18 20:09
Re: eclipse & Stonehenge and Pi 271 DavidK 02-Dec-18 22:55
Really that dense? 276 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 02:29
Re: Really that dense? 275 rodz111 03-Dec-18 03:40
Re: Really that dense? 276 Sirfiroth 03-Dec-18 14:37
Re: Really that dense? 294 rodz111 04-Dec-18 03:43
Re: Really that dense? 330 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 05:06
Re: Really that dense? 280 DavidK 04-Dec-18 10:13
Re: Really that dense? 284 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 15:01
Re: Really that dense? 264 DavidK 04-Dec-18 16:17
Re: Really that dense? 285 molder 04-Dec-18 10:27
Re: Really that dense? 269 DavidK 04-Dec-18 13:06
Re: Really that dense? 331 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 16:42
Re: Really that dense? 292 rodz111 04-Dec-18 21:38
Re: Really that dense? 259 Sirfiroth 04-Dec-18 23:38
Re: Really that dense? 279 DavidK 05-Dec-18 00:06
Re: Really that dense? 264 rodz111 05-Dec-18 16:32
Re: Really that dense? 269 rodz111 09-Dec-18 04:17
Re: Really that dense? 351 DavidK 03-Dec-18 09:19
Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 325 molder 05-Dec-18 21:40
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 309 DavidK 05-Dec-18 23:01
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 355 cloister 05-Dec-18 23:38
uhmm... every day? 292 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 06:42
Re: uhmmm... every day? 289 cloister 06-Dec-18 08:37
Re: uhmmm... every day? 335 hendrik dirker 06-Dec-18 09:06
Re: uhmmm... every day? 294 cloister 06-Dec-18 11:25
Re: Re:Egyptian value for pi in GP 365 DavidK 06-Dec-18 10:04
Quite Simply! 318 Sirfiroth 06-Dec-18 13:55
Re: Quite Simply! 329 DUNE 07-Dec-18 11:24
Great Assumption! 341 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 14:44
Re: Great Assumption! 326 DUNE 07-Dec-18 16:49
Re: Great Assumption! 349 Sirfiroth 07-Dec-18 17:52
Re: Great Assumption! 277 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 02:28
Re: Great Assumption! 240 DUNE 08-Dec-18 09:05
Re: Great Assumption! 281 Thanos5150 08-Dec-18 15:57
Re: Great Assumption! 279 DUNE 08-Dec-18 17:51
Re: Quite Simply! 317 DavidK 07-Dec-18 14:57
Re: Quite Simply! 304 DavidK 07-Dec-18 20:27
Re: Quite Simply! 313 DUNE 07-Dec-18 22:26
Re: Quite Simply! 319 DavidK 07-Dec-18 22:37
a load of numbers under scrtutiny 417 hendrik dirker 12-Dec-18 13:30
Papyrus of Pffft.... 346 cloister 12-Dec-18 16:01
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 299 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 12:16
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 273 cloister 14-Dec-18 14:52
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 275 Dr. Troglodyte 14-Dec-18 15:30
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 288 hendrik dirker 15-Dec-18 06:50
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 301 DavidK 15-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Papyrus of Pffft.... 309 cloister 15-Dec-18 21:27
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 336 rodz111 15-Dec-18 08:54
Re: Papyrus of Pffft or the pre-Columbian cultures 299 molder 18-Dec-18 22:18
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 329 DavidK 12-Dec-18 20:16
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 339 DUNE 12-Dec-18 21:51
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 312 cloister 12-Dec-18 22:59
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 286 gjb 13-Dec-18 01:53
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 343 DavidK 13-Dec-18 10:35
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 275 cloister 13-Dec-18 12:22
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 265 DavidK 13-Dec-18 12:39
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 265 cloister 13-Dec-18 13:04
Re: a load of numbers under scrtutiny 305 gjb 13-Dec-18 12:54
440 & 280 347 hendrik dirker 13-Dec-18 06:51
Re: 440 & 280 291 hendrik dirker 21-Dec-18 11:51
Re:-Stop the World for a word... 316 rodz111 13-Dec-18 19:57
Re: Re:-Stop the World for a word... 361 hendrik dirker 14-Dec-18 06:04
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 293 molder 08-Dec-18 05:10
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 372 DavidK 08-Dec-18 09:15
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 360 DUNE 08-Dec-18 15:31
Re: Re:Babylonian value for pi in GP 361 DavidK 09-Dec-18 09:53
Link to 277.777r at the GP 320 DavidK 25-Feb-19 19:37
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 279 DavidK 04-Mar-19 21:42
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP and 1111.1111r 241 DavidK 22-Mar-19 20:58
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 251 rodz111 23-Mar-19 02:27
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 240 DavidK 23-Mar-19 14:44
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 211 rodz111 24-Mar-19 09:28
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 243 Thanos5150 23-Mar-19 15:03
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 240 rodz111 24-Mar-19 01:56
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 249 Thanos5150 24-Mar-19 03:32
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 187 rodz111 24-Mar-19 06:14
Re: Link to 277.777r at the GP 209 DavidK 24-Mar-19 13:35
closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 181 DavidK 24-Mar-19 16:33
Re: closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 175 rodz111 24-Mar-19 20:00
Re: closed or open mind- how to get kicked off a closed mind websire 188 DavidK 25-Mar-19 08:18
Stanton Drew 233 molder 27-Mar-19 22:14
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 240 DavidK 28-Mar-19 07:37
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 214 molder 29-Mar-19 10:33
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 203 DUNE 29-Mar-19 11:16
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 216 DavidK 29-Mar-19 13:31
Re: The Work of Hugh Franklin at the GP and Stonehenge 250 molder 29-Mar-19 20:48


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