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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> > >
> > > As you can see in the image above, some
> > Neb-Ankh
> > > even had lids and contained an inner box
> > (coffer)
> > > which would hold a so-called 'Corn Mummy' (an
> > > effigy of Osiris made of mud with a hollow
> > cavity
> > > filled with grain - just as the pyramids were
> > the
> > > 'body of Osirs' and, imo, once filled with
> > grain
> > > and other crops, tools, earthenware etc).
> >
> > You keep repeating that notwithstanding the
> fact
> > that your unsuported claims have been debunked
> > many times in this thread and others.
> >
>
> The you'll have little problem showing where my
> "claims have been debunked". Let's see this
> debunking you claim, Charly? Someone simply
> disagreeing with my claims does not make it a
> debunking.

Denial of debunking, seems familiar...

> I doubt, however, we can say that now of the
> pyramid tomb theory though. At least the pyramid
> Recovery Vault theory can point to the
> earth-filled, stone container in G2 and explain in
> a coherent and consistent manner why it's there,
> why it was found to contain earth and bull bones
> and NOT a mummy. That, right there, is the nail in
> the sarcophagus for the pyramid tomb theory.

There's nothing coherent or consistent in trying to sell a rubbish filled sarcophagus as some kind of predecessor of Osiris-beds of a much later period. Just because one sarcophagus was found filled with rubble doesn't make it a sarcophagus any more but a predecessor of Osiris-beds??? Talk about making assumptions!!! Only the most gullible, uncapable of deductive resoning, would fall for the story you are trying to sell.

> > Church steeples and sky-scrapers are similar
> too
> > Scott; so according to your own rules this
> means
> > that this is no proof they had the same
> function.
>
> The mastaba and step pyramid don't even look
> alike to BEGIN with.

At this point I suggest you need glasses or have your memory checked because no one denies the above, as I already mentioned in my previous post, in which I wrote:
"That a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid is plain for everyone to see, but that's not the point; why you keep repeating this is probably a diversion tactic of some kind. NOBODY said mastaba's were miniature versions of step pyramids; NOBODY denies that a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid; but YOU want to make it look that way."
YOU keep comparing "a mastaba" with "a stepped pyramid", but NOBODY else is. You keep using underhand tactics even when that has already been pointed out!

You have to invoke an
> evolution of one form to another to claim the
> evolved form is also a tomb. That is a HUGE
> ASSUMPTION.

Not at all, as I wrote in the previous post:
"Again, the step pyramid COMPLEX is a combination of the 2nd dyn royal tomb with the 2nd dyn funerary enclosure. Making a stepped mound is a new feature but underground galleries with a burial chamber and grave goods are not new at all."

> Let's look at this another way, Charly. As I have said before--if you needed to build a Recovery Vault in
> ancient times that you wanted people to be able to see for miles around then, by necessity, the Recovery
> Vault would have to take the shape of a pyramid and, giving a true pyramid is a much more difficult
> proposition, would likely have been built in stages i.e. as a step pyramid. So you build your step pyramid
> Recovery Vault. What you are saying is that because each step of the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault looks
> like a mastaba tomb then the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from a mastaba and therefore must ALSO
> be a tomb. Which simply isn't true because you set out to build a very tall Recovery Vault.

Indeed "IF you needed to build a recovery vault"; which the AE didn't need and never built.

It is simply
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the
> pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from the mastaba into a tomb.

Is this last sentence supposed to make any sense?
Maybe you mean:
"It is simply JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the step pyramid evolved from the mastaba into a tomb."

In which case: see above

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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 508 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 454 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 313 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 312 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 350 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 311 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 300 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 274 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 377 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 370 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 284 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 316 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 305 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 336 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 370 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 296 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 272 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 341 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 309 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 279 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 295 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 325 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 209 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 237 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 299 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 245 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 244 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 293 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 221 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 193 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 293 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 250 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 241 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 286 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 179 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 204 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 270 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 278 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 288 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 258 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 325 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 286 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 352 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 244 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 258 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 325 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 252 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 284 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 303 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 222 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 263 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 239 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 248 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 248 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 254 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 215 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 205 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 238 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 201 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 220 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 246 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 233 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 258 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 254 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 232 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 237 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 281 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 252 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 232 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 248 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 332 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 173 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 187 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 215 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 277 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 279 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 192 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 260 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 224 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 260 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 194 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 260 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 281 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 285 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 259 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 253 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 291 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 273 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 299 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 216 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 211 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 268 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 192 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 225 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 253 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 245 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 185 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 250 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 182 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 261 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 272 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
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