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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> > >
> > > As you can see in the image above, some
> > Neb-Ankh
> > > even had lids and contained an inner box
> > (coffer)
> > > which would hold a so-called 'Corn Mummy' (an
> > > effigy of Osiris made of mud with a hollow
> > cavity
> > > filled with grain - just as the pyramids were
> > the
> > > 'body of Osirs' and, imo, once filled with
> > grain
> > > and other crops, tools, earthenware etc).
> >
> > You keep repeating that notwithstanding the
> fact
> > that your unsuported claims have been debunked
> > many times in this thread and others.
> >
>
> The you'll have little problem showing where my
> "claims have been debunked". Let's see this
> debunking you claim, Charly? Someone simply
> disagreeing with my claims does not make it a
> debunking.

Denial of debunking, seems familiar...

> I doubt, however, we can say that now of the
> pyramid tomb theory though. At least the pyramid
> Recovery Vault theory can point to the
> earth-filled, stone container in G2 and explain in
> a coherent and consistent manner why it's there,
> why it was found to contain earth and bull bones
> and NOT a mummy. That, right there, is the nail in
> the sarcophagus for the pyramid tomb theory.

There's nothing coherent or consistent in trying to sell a rubbish filled sarcophagus as some kind of predecessor of Osiris-beds of a much later period. Just because one sarcophagus was found filled with rubble doesn't make it a sarcophagus any more but a predecessor of Osiris-beds??? Talk about making assumptions!!! Only the most gullible, uncapable of deductive resoning, would fall for the story you are trying to sell.

> > Church steeples and sky-scrapers are similar
> too
> > Scott; so according to your own rules this
> means
> > that this is no proof they had the same
> function.
>
> The mastaba and step pyramid don't even look
> alike to BEGIN with.

At this point I suggest you need glasses or have your memory checked because no one denies the above, as I already mentioned in my previous post, in which I wrote:
"That a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid is plain for everyone to see, but that's not the point; why you keep repeating this is probably a diversion tactic of some kind. NOBODY said mastaba's were miniature versions of step pyramids; NOBODY denies that a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid; but YOU want to make it look that way."
YOU keep comparing "a mastaba" with "a stepped pyramid", but NOBODY else is. You keep using underhand tactics even when that has already been pointed out!

You have to invoke an
> evolution of one form to another to claim the
> evolved form is also a tomb. That is a HUGE
> ASSUMPTION.

Not at all, as I wrote in the previous post:
"Again, the step pyramid COMPLEX is a combination of the 2nd dyn royal tomb with the 2nd dyn funerary enclosure. Making a stepped mound is a new feature but underground galleries with a burial chamber and grave goods are not new at all."

> Let's look at this another way, Charly. As I have said before--if you needed to build a Recovery Vault in
> ancient times that you wanted people to be able to see for miles around then, by necessity, the Recovery
> Vault would have to take the shape of a pyramid and, giving a true pyramid is a much more difficult
> proposition, would likely have been built in stages i.e. as a step pyramid. So you build your step pyramid
> Recovery Vault. What you are saying is that because each step of the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault looks
> like a mastaba tomb then the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from a mastaba and therefore must ALSO
> be a tomb. Which simply isn't true because you set out to build a very tall Recovery Vault.

Indeed "IF you needed to build a recovery vault"; which the AE didn't need and never built.

It is simply
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the
> pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from the mastaba into a tomb.

Is this last sentence supposed to make any sense?
Maybe you mean:
"It is simply JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the step pyramid evolved from the mastaba into a tomb."

In which case: see above

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Plausible functions of the great pyramid 2362 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:10
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 523 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 465 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 326 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 325 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 383 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 328 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 309 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 290 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 392 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 399 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 297 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 334 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 319 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 348 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 383 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 311 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 288 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 360 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 324 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 295 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 306 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 337 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 239 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 251 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 221 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 245 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 221 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 188 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 257 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 317 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 231 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 246 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 258 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 254 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 307 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 322 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 272 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 316 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 252 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 193 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 213 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 225 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 221 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 287 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 295 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 304 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 259 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 279 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 353 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 256 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 305 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 371 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 269 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 270 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 343 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 261 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 308 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 317 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 234 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 278 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 254 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 291 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 264 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 270 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 231 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 218 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 253 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 215 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 235 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 266 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 251 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 247 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 268 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 194 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 287 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 254 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 250 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 313 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 247 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 253 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 213 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 216 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 275 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 360 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 244 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 209 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 243 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 287 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 293 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 270 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 241 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 203 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 246 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 236 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 278 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 283 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 204 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 282 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 216 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 302 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 296 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 275 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 269 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 317 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 287 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 317 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 225 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 303 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 287 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 232 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 237 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 267 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 263 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 259 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 267 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 248 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 287 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 302 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 257 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 23:34
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 265 cladking 05-Jan-18 18:50
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 297 Nemobutwhatiimagian 14-Jan-18 09:26
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 188 cladking 07-Jan-18 21:50
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