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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> > >
> > > As you can see in the image above, some
> > Neb-Ankh
> > > even had lids and contained an inner box
> > (coffer)
> > > which would hold a so-called 'Corn Mummy' (an
> > > effigy of Osiris made of mud with a hollow
> > cavity
> > > filled with grain - just as the pyramids were
> > the
> > > 'body of Osirs' and, imo, once filled with
> > grain
> > > and other crops, tools, earthenware etc).
> >
> > You keep repeating that notwithstanding the
> fact
> > that your unsuported claims have been debunked
> > many times in this thread and others.
> >
>
> The you'll have little problem showing where my
> "claims have been debunked". Let's see this
> debunking you claim, Charly? Someone simply
> disagreeing with my claims does not make it a
> debunking.

Denial of debunking, seems familiar...

> I doubt, however, we can say that now of the
> pyramid tomb theory though. At least the pyramid
> Recovery Vault theory can point to the
> earth-filled, stone container in G2 and explain in
> a coherent and consistent manner why it's there,
> why it was found to contain earth and bull bones
> and NOT a mummy. That, right there, is the nail in
> the sarcophagus for the pyramid tomb theory.

There's nothing coherent or consistent in trying to sell a rubbish filled sarcophagus as some kind of predecessor of Osiris-beds of a much later period. Just because one sarcophagus was found filled with rubble doesn't make it a sarcophagus any more but a predecessor of Osiris-beds??? Talk about making assumptions!!! Only the most gullible, uncapable of deductive resoning, would fall for the story you are trying to sell.

> > Church steeples and sky-scrapers are similar
> too
> > Scott; so according to your own rules this
> means
> > that this is no proof they had the same
> function.
>
> The mastaba and step pyramid don't even look
> alike to BEGIN with.

At this point I suggest you need glasses or have your memory checked because no one denies the above, as I already mentioned in my previous post, in which I wrote:
"That a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid is plain for everyone to see, but that's not the point; why you keep repeating this is probably a diversion tactic of some kind. NOBODY said mastaba's were miniature versions of step pyramids; NOBODY denies that a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid; but YOU want to make it look that way."
YOU keep comparing "a mastaba" with "a stepped pyramid", but NOBODY else is. You keep using underhand tactics even when that has already been pointed out!

You have to invoke an
> evolution of one form to another to claim the
> evolved form is also a tomb. That is a HUGE
> ASSUMPTION.

Not at all, as I wrote in the previous post:
"Again, the step pyramid COMPLEX is a combination of the 2nd dyn royal tomb with the 2nd dyn funerary enclosure. Making a stepped mound is a new feature but underground galleries with a burial chamber and grave goods are not new at all."

> Let's look at this another way, Charly. As I have said before--if you needed to build a Recovery Vault in
> ancient times that you wanted people to be able to see for miles around then, by necessity, the Recovery
> Vault would have to take the shape of a pyramid and, giving a true pyramid is a much more difficult
> proposition, would likely have been built in stages i.e. as a step pyramid. So you build your step pyramid
> Recovery Vault. What you are saying is that because each step of the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault looks
> like a mastaba tomb then the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from a mastaba and therefore must ALSO
> be a tomb. Which simply isn't true because you set out to build a very tall Recovery Vault.

Indeed "IF you needed to build a recovery vault"; which the AE didn't need and never built.

It is simply
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the
> pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from the mastaba into a tomb.

Is this last sentence supposed to make any sense?
Maybe you mean:
"It is simply JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the step pyramid evolved from the mastaba into a tomb."

In which case: see above

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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 481 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 419 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 258 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 285 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 305 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 276 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 277 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 243 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 325 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 336 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 248 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 284 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 305 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 309 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 257 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 232 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 298 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 280 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 255 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 293 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 194 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 175 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 147 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 263 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 183 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 189 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 254 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 161 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 189 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 168 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 213 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 164 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 146 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 150 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 188 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 170 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 250 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 152 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 179 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 158 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 264 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 248 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 279 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 220 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 220 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 280 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 221 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 248 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 256 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 189 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 232 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 199 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 196 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 209 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 224 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 184 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 174 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 219 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 163 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 179 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 202 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 204 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 162 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 213 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 154 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 157 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 241 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 204 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 161 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 168 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 276 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 162 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 141 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 157 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 173 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 166 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 158 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 234 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 161 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 167 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 194 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 153 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 161 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 188 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 225 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 217 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 165 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 158 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 168 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 246 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 217 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 243 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 234 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 253 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 181 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 157 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 189 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 196 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 189 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 215 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 152 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 153 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 182 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
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