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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> > >
> > > As you can see in the image above, some
> > Neb-Ankh
> > > even had lids and contained an inner box
> > (coffer)
> > > which would hold a so-called 'Corn Mummy' (an
> > > effigy of Osiris made of mud with a hollow
> > cavity
> > > filled with grain - just as the pyramids were
> > the
> > > 'body of Osirs' and, imo, once filled with
> > grain
> > > and other crops, tools, earthenware etc).
> >
> > You keep repeating that notwithstanding the
> fact
> > that your unsuported claims have been debunked
> > many times in this thread and others.
> >
>
> The you'll have little problem showing where my
> "claims have been debunked". Let's see this
> debunking you claim, Charly? Someone simply
> disagreeing with my claims does not make it a
> debunking.

Denial of debunking, seems familiar...

> I doubt, however, we can say that now of the
> pyramid tomb theory though. At least the pyramid
> Recovery Vault theory can point to the
> earth-filled, stone container in G2 and explain in
> a coherent and consistent manner why it's there,
> why it was found to contain earth and bull bones
> and NOT a mummy. That, right there, is the nail in
> the sarcophagus for the pyramid tomb theory.

There's nothing coherent or consistent in trying to sell a rubbish filled sarcophagus as some kind of predecessor of Osiris-beds of a much later period. Just because one sarcophagus was found filled with rubble doesn't make it a sarcophagus any more but a predecessor of Osiris-beds??? Talk about making assumptions!!! Only the most gullible, uncapable of deductive resoning, would fall for the story you are trying to sell.

> > Church steeples and sky-scrapers are similar
> too
> > Scott; so according to your own rules this
> means
> > that this is no proof they had the same
> function.
>
> The mastaba and step pyramid don't even look
> alike to BEGIN with.

At this point I suggest you need glasses or have your memory checked because no one denies the above, as I already mentioned in my previous post, in which I wrote:
"That a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid is plain for everyone to see, but that's not the point; why you keep repeating this is probably a diversion tactic of some kind. NOBODY said mastaba's were miniature versions of step pyramids; NOBODY denies that a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid; but YOU want to make it look that way."
YOU keep comparing "a mastaba" with "a stepped pyramid", but NOBODY else is. You keep using underhand tactics even when that has already been pointed out!

You have to invoke an
> evolution of one form to another to claim the
> evolved form is also a tomb. That is a HUGE
> ASSUMPTION.

Not at all, as I wrote in the previous post:
"Again, the step pyramid COMPLEX is a combination of the 2nd dyn royal tomb with the 2nd dyn funerary enclosure. Making a stepped mound is a new feature but underground galleries with a burial chamber and grave goods are not new at all."

> Let's look at this another way, Charly. As I have said before--if you needed to build a Recovery Vault in
> ancient times that you wanted people to be able to see for miles around then, by necessity, the Recovery
> Vault would have to take the shape of a pyramid and, giving a true pyramid is a much more difficult
> proposition, would likely have been built in stages i.e. as a step pyramid. So you build your step pyramid
> Recovery Vault. What you are saying is that because each step of the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault looks
> like a mastaba tomb then the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from a mastaba and therefore must ALSO
> be a tomb. Which simply isn't true because you set out to build a very tall Recovery Vault.

Indeed "IF you needed to build a recovery vault"; which the AE didn't need and never built.

It is simply
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the
> pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from the mastaba into a tomb.

Is this last sentence supposed to make any sense?
Maybe you mean:
"It is simply JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the step pyramid evolved from the mastaba into a tomb."

In which case: see above

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Plausible functions of the great pyramid 2300 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:10
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 499 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 443 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 302 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 304 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 335 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 300 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 291 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 264 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 350 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 358 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 272 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 304 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 293 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 325 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 347 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 279 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 257 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 327 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 300 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 262 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 284 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 313 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 215 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 217 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 164 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 224 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 288 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 276 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 183 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 275 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 269 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 187 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 192 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 256 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 263 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 276 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 174 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 213 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 243 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 305 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 272 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 322 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 235 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 238 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 305 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 239 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 268 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 289 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 210 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 252 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 227 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 228 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 237 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 246 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 203 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 195 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 231 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 188 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 201 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 224 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 218 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 187 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 244 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 216 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 168 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 262 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 225 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 264 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 189 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 232 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 313 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 204 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 160 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 175 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 203 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 264 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 257 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 245 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 185 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 188 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 268 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 269 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 272 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 257 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 278 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 200 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 254 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 175 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 260 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 213 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 236 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 235 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 250 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 253 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 232 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 23:34
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 158 cladking 07-Jan-18 21:50
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