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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> > >
> > > As you can see in the image above, some
> > Neb-Ankh
> > > even had lids and contained an inner box
> > (coffer)
> > > which would hold a so-called 'Corn Mummy' (an
> > > effigy of Osiris made of mud with a hollow
> > cavity
> > > filled with grain - just as the pyramids were
> > the
> > > 'body of Osirs' and, imo, once filled with
> > grain
> > > and other crops, tools, earthenware etc).
> >
> > You keep repeating that notwithstanding the
> fact
> > that your unsuported claims have been debunked
> > many times in this thread and others.
> >
>
> The you'll have little problem showing where my
> "claims have been debunked". Let's see this
> debunking you claim, Charly? Someone simply
> disagreeing with my claims does not make it a
> debunking.

Denial of debunking, seems familiar...

> I doubt, however, we can say that now of the
> pyramid tomb theory though. At least the pyramid
> Recovery Vault theory can point to the
> earth-filled, stone container in G2 and explain in
> a coherent and consistent manner why it's there,
> why it was found to contain earth and bull bones
> and NOT a mummy. That, right there, is the nail in
> the sarcophagus for the pyramid tomb theory.

There's nothing coherent or consistent in trying to sell a rubbish filled sarcophagus as some kind of predecessor of Osiris-beds of a much later period. Just because one sarcophagus was found filled with rubble doesn't make it a sarcophagus any more but a predecessor of Osiris-beds??? Talk about making assumptions!!! Only the most gullible, uncapable of deductive resoning, would fall for the story you are trying to sell.

> > Church steeples and sky-scrapers are similar
> too
> > Scott; so according to your own rules this
> means
> > that this is no proof they had the same
> function.
>
> The mastaba and step pyramid don't even look
> alike to BEGIN with.

At this point I suggest you need glasses or have your memory checked because no one denies the above, as I already mentioned in my previous post, in which I wrote:
"That a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid is plain for everyone to see, but that's not the point; why you keep repeating this is probably a diversion tactic of some kind. NOBODY said mastaba's were miniature versions of step pyramids; NOBODY denies that a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid; but YOU want to make it look that way."
YOU keep comparing "a mastaba" with "a stepped pyramid", but NOBODY else is. You keep using underhand tactics even when that has already been pointed out!

You have to invoke an
> evolution of one form to another to claim the
> evolved form is also a tomb. That is a HUGE
> ASSUMPTION.

Not at all, as I wrote in the previous post:
"Again, the step pyramid COMPLEX is a combination of the 2nd dyn royal tomb with the 2nd dyn funerary enclosure. Making a stepped mound is a new feature but underground galleries with a burial chamber and grave goods are not new at all."

> Let's look at this another way, Charly. As I have said before--if you needed to build a Recovery Vault in
> ancient times that you wanted people to be able to see for miles around then, by necessity, the Recovery
> Vault would have to take the shape of a pyramid and, giving a true pyramid is a much more difficult
> proposition, would likely have been built in stages i.e. as a step pyramid. So you build your step pyramid
> Recovery Vault. What you are saying is that because each step of the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault looks
> like a mastaba tomb then the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from a mastaba and therefore must ALSO
> be a tomb. Which simply isn't true because you set out to build a very tall Recovery Vault.

Indeed "IF you needed to build a recovery vault"; which the AE didn't need and never built.

It is simply
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the
> pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from the mastaba into a tomb.

Is this last sentence supposed to make any sense?
Maybe you mean:
"It is simply JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the step pyramid evolved from the mastaba into a tomb."

In which case: see above

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Plausible functions of the great pyramid 2112 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:10
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 419 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 363 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 208 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 252 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 254 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 222 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 235 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 203 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 271 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 288 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 221 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 243 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 268 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 182 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 239 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 209 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 135 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 147 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 153 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 140 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 121 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 151 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 114 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 113 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 143 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 143 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 127 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 119 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 139 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 121 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 164 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 123 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 129 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 146 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 106 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 105 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 150 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 126 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 179 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 173 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 192 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 105 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 145 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 170 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 134 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 110 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 157 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 192 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 147 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 171 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 161 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 215 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 180 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 190 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 193 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 136 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 178 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 157 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 136 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 166 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 171 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 136 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 135 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 159 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 126 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 127 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 156 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 149 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 123 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 159 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 134 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 155 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 112 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 119 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 185 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 146 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 162 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 166 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 146 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 161 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 114 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 126 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 157 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 208 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 129 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 117 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 100 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 112 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 128 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 126 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 130 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 120 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 114 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 126 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 100 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 146 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 135 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 134 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 193 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 116 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 121 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 125 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 126 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 133 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 113 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 118 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 152 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 144 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 151 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 126 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
Re: Sam: act 3 scene 2 137 cladking 09-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 119 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 124 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 164 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 188 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 134 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 122 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 139 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 142 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 163 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 118 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 132 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 147 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 161 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 129 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 150 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 171 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 117 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 160 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 119 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 143 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 175 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 137 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 23:34
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 237 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 192 cladking 05-Jan-18 17:32
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 184 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 17:45
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 205 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 18:01
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 166 cladking 05-Jan-18 18:50
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 169 Nemobutwhatiimagian 14-Jan-18 09:26
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 139 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 16:59
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 138 Barbelo 06-Jan-18 19:53
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 180 Nemobutwhatiimagian 07-Jan-18 12:18
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 173 M. J. Thomas 07-Jan-18 16:32
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 123 M. J. Thomas 07-Jan-18 19:23
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 150 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:31
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 170 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:42
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 168 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 92 cladking 07-Jan-18 21:50
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 167 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 22:19
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 155 Nemobutwhatiimagian 07-Jan-18 22:02
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