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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> > >
> > > As you can see in the image above, some
> > Neb-Ankh
> > > even had lids and contained an inner box
> > (coffer)
> > > which would hold a so-called 'Corn Mummy' (an
> > > effigy of Osiris made of mud with a hollow
> > cavity
> > > filled with grain - just as the pyramids were
> > the
> > > 'body of Osirs' and, imo, once filled with
> > grain
> > > and other crops, tools, earthenware etc).
> >
> > You keep repeating that notwithstanding the
> fact
> > that your unsuported claims have been debunked
> > many times in this thread and others.
> >
>
> The you'll have little problem showing where my
> "claims have been debunked". Let's see this
> debunking you claim, Charly? Someone simply
> disagreeing with my claims does not make it a
> debunking.

Denial of debunking, seems familiar...

> I doubt, however, we can say that now of the
> pyramid tomb theory though. At least the pyramid
> Recovery Vault theory can point to the
> earth-filled, stone container in G2 and explain in
> a coherent and consistent manner why it's there,
> why it was found to contain earth and bull bones
> and NOT a mummy. That, right there, is the nail in
> the sarcophagus for the pyramid tomb theory.

There's nothing coherent or consistent in trying to sell a rubbish filled sarcophagus as some kind of predecessor of Osiris-beds of a much later period. Just because one sarcophagus was found filled with rubble doesn't make it a sarcophagus any more but a predecessor of Osiris-beds??? Talk about making assumptions!!! Only the most gullible, uncapable of deductive resoning, would fall for the story you are trying to sell.

> > Church steeples and sky-scrapers are similar
> too
> > Scott; so according to your own rules this
> means
> > that this is no proof they had the same
> function.
>
> The mastaba and step pyramid don't even look
> alike to BEGIN with.

At this point I suggest you need glasses or have your memory checked because no one denies the above, as I already mentioned in my previous post, in which I wrote:
"That a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid is plain for everyone to see, but that's not the point; why you keep repeating this is probably a diversion tactic of some kind. NOBODY said mastaba's were miniature versions of step pyramids; NOBODY denies that a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid; but YOU want to make it look that way."
YOU keep comparing "a mastaba" with "a stepped pyramid", but NOBODY else is. You keep using underhand tactics even when that has already been pointed out!

You have to invoke an
> evolution of one form to another to claim the
> evolved form is also a tomb. That is a HUGE
> ASSUMPTION.

Not at all, as I wrote in the previous post:
"Again, the step pyramid COMPLEX is a combination of the 2nd dyn royal tomb with the 2nd dyn funerary enclosure. Making a stepped mound is a new feature but underground galleries with a burial chamber and grave goods are not new at all."

> Let's look at this another way, Charly. As I have said before--if you needed to build a Recovery Vault in
> ancient times that you wanted people to be able to see for miles around then, by necessity, the Recovery
> Vault would have to take the shape of a pyramid and, giving a true pyramid is a much more difficult
> proposition, would likely have been built in stages i.e. as a step pyramid. So you build your step pyramid
> Recovery Vault. What you are saying is that because each step of the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault looks
> like a mastaba tomb then the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from a mastaba and therefore must ALSO
> be a tomb. Which simply isn't true because you set out to build a very tall Recovery Vault.

Indeed "IF you needed to build a recovery vault"; which the AE didn't need and never built.

It is simply
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the
> pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from the mastaba into a tomb.

Is this last sentence supposed to make any sense?
Maybe you mean:
"It is simply JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the step pyramid evolved from the mastaba into a tomb."

In which case: see above

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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 493 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 429 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 279 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 298 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 318 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 286 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 283 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 254 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 340 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 345 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 260 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 292 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 282 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 313 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 335 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 269 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 245 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 314 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 288 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 250 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 269 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 195 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 301 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 183 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 155 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 276 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 192 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 263 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 261 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 224 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 246 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 174 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 157 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 173 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 252 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 265 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 174 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 287 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 259 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 299 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 229 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 229 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 293 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 228 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 258 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 266 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 198 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 240 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 212 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 214 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 223 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 234 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 193 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 183 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 228 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 174 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 190 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 213 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 214 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 204 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 251 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 213 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 215 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 213 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 297 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 193 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 148 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 166 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 188 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 185 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 187 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 174 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 162 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 193 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 253 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 170 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 241 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 175 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 185 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 203 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 160 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 173 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 237 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 168 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 256 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 258 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 261 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 245 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 265 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 187 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 188 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 247 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 202 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 183 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 195 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 222 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 161 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 221 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 159 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 241 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 147 cladking 07-Jan-18 21:50
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