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Scott Creighton Wrote:
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> > >
> > > As you can see in the image above, some
> > Neb-Ankh
> > > even had lids and contained an inner box
> > (coffer)
> > > which would hold a so-called 'Corn Mummy' (an
> > > effigy of Osiris made of mud with a hollow
> > cavity
> > > filled with grain - just as the pyramids were
> > the
> > > 'body of Osirs' and, imo, once filled with
> > grain
> > > and other crops, tools, earthenware etc).
> >
> > You keep repeating that notwithstanding the
> fact
> > that your unsuported claims have been debunked
> > many times in this thread and others.
> >
>
> The you'll have little problem showing where my
> "claims have been debunked". Let's see this
> debunking you claim, Charly? Someone simply
> disagreeing with my claims does not make it a
> debunking.

Denial of debunking, seems familiar...

> I doubt, however, we can say that now of the
> pyramid tomb theory though. At least the pyramid
> Recovery Vault theory can point to the
> earth-filled, stone container in G2 and explain in
> a coherent and consistent manner why it's there,
> why it was found to contain earth and bull bones
> and NOT a mummy. That, right there, is the nail in
> the sarcophagus for the pyramid tomb theory.

There's nothing coherent or consistent in trying to sell a rubbish filled sarcophagus as some kind of predecessor of Osiris-beds of a much later period. Just because one sarcophagus was found filled with rubble doesn't make it a sarcophagus any more but a predecessor of Osiris-beds??? Talk about making assumptions!!! Only the most gullible, uncapable of deductive resoning, would fall for the story you are trying to sell.

> > Church steeples and sky-scrapers are similar
> too
> > Scott; so according to your own rules this
> means
> > that this is no proof they had the same
> function.
>
> The mastaba and step pyramid don't even look
> alike to BEGIN with.

At this point I suggest you need glasses or have your memory checked because no one denies the above, as I already mentioned in my previous post, in which I wrote:
"That a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid is plain for everyone to see, but that's not the point; why you keep repeating this is probably a diversion tactic of some kind. NOBODY said mastaba's were miniature versions of step pyramids; NOBODY denies that a mastaba does not have the appearance of a step pyramid; but YOU want to make it look that way."
YOU keep comparing "a mastaba" with "a stepped pyramid", but NOBODY else is. You keep using underhand tactics even when that has already been pointed out!

You have to invoke an
> evolution of one form to another to claim the
> evolved form is also a tomb. That is a HUGE
> ASSUMPTION.

Not at all, as I wrote in the previous post:
"Again, the step pyramid COMPLEX is a combination of the 2nd dyn royal tomb with the 2nd dyn funerary enclosure. Making a stepped mound is a new feature but underground galleries with a burial chamber and grave goods are not new at all."

> Let's look at this another way, Charly. As I have said before--if you needed to build a Recovery Vault in
> ancient times that you wanted people to be able to see for miles around then, by necessity, the Recovery
> Vault would have to take the shape of a pyramid and, giving a true pyramid is a much more difficult
> proposition, would likely have been built in stages i.e. as a step pyramid. So you build your step pyramid
> Recovery Vault. What you are saying is that because each step of the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault looks
> like a mastaba tomb then the stepped pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from a mastaba and therefore must ALSO
> be a tomb. Which simply isn't true because you set out to build a very tall Recovery Vault.

Indeed "IF you needed to build a recovery vault"; which the AE didn't need and never built.

It is simply
> JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the
> pyramid Recovery Vault evolved from the mastaba into a tomb.

Is this last sentence supposed to make any sense?
Maybe you mean:
"It is simply JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS that because each stage of a Step Pyramid is similar in shape to a mastaba that the step pyramid evolved from the mastaba into a tomb."

In which case: see above

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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 517 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 462 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 320 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 320 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 360 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 323 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 305 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 284 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 387 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 389 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 292 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 327 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 315 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 346 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 378 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 306 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 283 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 352 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 317 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 288 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 304 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 332 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 239 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 215 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 217 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 252 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 309 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 239 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 252 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 252 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 302 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 203 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 238 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 304 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 259 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 254 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 309 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 230 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 188 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 219 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 278 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 289 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 297 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 194 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 251 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 271 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 338 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 247 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 298 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 361 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 257 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 264 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 334 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 259 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 298 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 310 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 230 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 274 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 250 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 261 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 257 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 264 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 225 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 214 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 246 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 209 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 229 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 259 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 244 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 268 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 260 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 209 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 283 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 247 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 302 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 267 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 250 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 261 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 347 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 179 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 215 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 217 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 204 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 194 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 211 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 239 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 286 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 290 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 204 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 215 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 263 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 236 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 240 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 226 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 235 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 278 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 201 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 276 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 191 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 297 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 291 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 269 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 262 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 304 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 281 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 313 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 204 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 218 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 221 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 281 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 215 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 283 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 234 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 261 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 228 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 258 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 254 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 194 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 262 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 197 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 236 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 274 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 286 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
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Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 255 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 180 cladking 07-Jan-18 21:50
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