> charly Wrote:
> > Scott Creighton Wrote:
> > -----
> > > I am sure you understand the point well
> > > While some churches, chapels, abbeys and so
> > may
> > > have crypts for the deceased, these buidings
> > are
> > > conceived and built primarily as
> > of
> > > religious worship and various other religious
> > > ceremonies, baptisms, weddings, funerals and
> > > on. These buildings are not conceived for the
> > > primary function of burial.
> > A while the pyramid was conceived and built as
> > tomb for the king,
> You keep repeating this as if saying it over and
> over will make it true.
Only reason I repeat it is because you don't get it.
For it to be accepted as
> true you will need EVIDENCE.
There is plenty, presented time and again on this board and others, but of course as a good fringe you deny, ignore, forget this.
I have presented to
> you physical evidence which explains the purpose
> of the earth-filled stone container found by
> Belzoni in G2. I have shown how this chthonic
> ritual was carried on by later dynasties. In
> short, I have shown you that the stone box in G2
> (and by extension, all other pyramids with an
> anonymous stone box) was never a QRSW (ie. a
> sarcpphagus for the burial of a person such as we
> find in the QRSW of mastabas).
Your "evidence" is a debris filled sarcophagus i.o.w. rubbish.
Inventing "stone boxes" that aren't sarcophagi (when the typology and developpement is well known) doesn't help either.
> various other parts of the
> > pyramid complex were used for the numerous
> > of the funeray cult.
> Just because your books speak of a "funerary cult"
> does not make these temples funerary structures.
> These temples abutting the pyramids were, imo,
> temples of life of a "rebirth cult" (of the
> earth/kingdom). Just like the later dynasties
> would build sun temples in which to recite
> prayers, spells and incantations to bring about
> the rebirth of the sun each day, so these 'earth
> temples' with prayers and incantations said each
> day to bring about the desired rebirth of the
> earth/kingdom (after the deluge).
Your unsupported opinion.
> > > With the pyramid as an instrument not of
> > but
> > > of life and rebirth (for the earth/kingdom),
> > why
> > > wouldn't high-ranking people of that
> > time
> > > not want to be buried close to such an
> > > edifice?
> > >
> > > SC
> > The pyramid was not only the tomb of the king
> > also a resurection machine (rebirth),
> And THAT is where I believe Egyptology has gone
> awry. They were, imo, 'ressurection machines' to
> bring about the rebirth of the kingdom - that is
> what the Coptic-Egyptian tradition informs us and
> is what the evidence points to. This is not to
> say, however, that in later dynasties when the
> pyramid was regarded an 'instrument of rebirth'
> this concept would be appropriated for the king
> himself, thus all the confusion we have today. But
> they were FIRST the rebirth instruments for the
> kingdom--16 (completed) pyramids that would, in
> time, come to be seen as the body of Osiris which
> had been cut into 16 pieces and scattered across
> the land. This is what the Pyramid Texts say i.e.
> "the pyramid is Osiris... the construction [of the
> pyramid] is Osiris." The Ka of Osiris is within
> the pyramid (NOT the Osiris N. king's actual
> body). The pyramid as the 'body of Osiris' would
> essentially serve as the Ka Double for kings of
> this period.
Folklore as evidence doesn't help either. Your 16 pyramid Osiris thing exists only in your immagination, not a shred of evidence (well real evidence) to support your claims.
> > people wanted to be buried close to the most
> > important one.
> No. They would want to be close to a structure
> they knew to be an instrument of rebirth (of the
> kingdom). If the pyramid could bring about the
> rebirth of the kingdom, it could surely bring
> about their own rebirth. This is why an Osirian
> rebirth is a fully corporeal event in the living
> realm and not regarded as a metaphysical
> resurrection in the heavenly realm. It is a
> corporeal rebirth because the rebirth or
> 'reawakening' of the earth was a fully corporeal
Made up story, by you.
> > If the pyramids of the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th
> > weren't the tombs of the kings, where are their
> > tombs? Still hidden? What are the odds that not
> > single one of those "hidden" tombs has been
> Many early dynasty mastaba tombs of AE kings were
> raided numerous times. I suspect some of those
> kings may well have been re-located in the
> of the Ancestors.
Hall of Ancestors, another story you made up.
But one would have thought
> that the visibility of mastaba tombs would have
> taught these early kings that underground burial
> in an unmarked tomb was the safest way to ensure
> an uniterrupted afterlife (certainly NOT an even
> more highly visible pyramid).
Again, no evidence of large scale looting before the FIP.
The underground tomb
> of Khufu's mother at Giza was discovered only in
> the early 20th century after a freak accident. I
> suspect there may be other underground burials to
> be found.
Again, all those kings and not a single one found, what are the odds? I sure wouldn't put any money on an unfounded prediction that claims that some day their underground burrials will be found. And what of the kings burried in the Saff-tombs and the Vok? They must have been complete idiots then according to your reasoning.