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> > > > > > > > Even if every mastaba were
> originally
> > a
> > > > > tomb,
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > would that show that the pyramids
> > were
> > > > > tombs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The pyramid evolved from the mastaba;
> > > > > Djoser's
> > > > > > > original mastaba evolved into a
> stepped
> > > > > mastaba
> > > > > > > and then with Sekhemkhet a square
> > > grounplan
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > used thus creating the first step
> > > pyramid.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You mean like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SC
> > > > >
> > > > > Not at all, a comparison between a church
> > > > steeple
> > > > > and a skyscraper is totally meaningless
> and
> > > has
> > > > > nothing to do with the fact that Djoser's
> > > > monument
> > > > > evolved from a mastaba into a stepped
> > > mastaba.
> > > > Or
> > > > > do you deny this fact?
> > > >
> > > > I don't deny that you have claimed it as a
> > fact.
> > > I
> > > > have yet to see it proven so.
> > > >
> > > > Ancient Egyptian kings were buried in
> mastaba
> > > > tombs BEFORE the great pyramid-building age
> > and
> > > > AFTER it.
> > >
> > > Shepseskhaf was buried in a mastaba-like tomb,
>
> >
> > It's actually questionable whether Shepseskaf
> was
> > actually buried in the mastaba attributed to
> him
> > but we'll let that one slide. If he was then
> > yes--because mastabas WERE tombs.
> >
> > > but then it's again pyramids,
> >
> > Which WEREN'T tombs.
>
> They were; you just claim they weren't.
>

No. I don't actually claim that. It is what the evidence 'claims'. The Coptic-Egyptian texts claim they were constructed as 'Recovery Vaults' (or 'Arks' if you prefer). They tell us only that the king (Surid) placed everything within the pyramids (along with the bodies of the ancestor kings) in order to ensure the recovery or rebirth of the kingdom after the deluge had abated. I fully expect that you will dismiss those texts just as Egyptology generally does with anything that runs contrary to its dogma. Dismissing these texts won't make them wrong. And placing bodies of the ancestor kings does not make the pyramids tombs, at least not in the conventional sense since only the Great Pyramid would have been used for this purpose. See my GHMB article here: Hall of the Ancients.

> There are at least two kings
> > who have both mastaba tombs and, supposedly,
> > pyramid tombs. Furthermore, the 5th/6th Dyn
> > pyramids were built for the Ka of the
> King
> > and for very good reason. Built for his KA --
> NOT
> > his actual body.
>
> Not his body? Why burial chambers with sarcophagi,

Because they're not "burial chambers" and they're not "sarcophagi". Look at the QRSW of Khufu's children (Khafre's siblings) which we find in their Mastabas (i.e. tombs). They are all inscribed with their names and titulary. Some are even decorated. That is NOT what we find in the stone boxes in the Gizamids. There we find rough, uninscribed, anonymous boxes. And in the case of G2 the stone box there was found by Belzoni in 1818 to contain a great quantity of earth and some bull bones. NO MUMMY. We find later dynasties during the Festival of Khoiak also preparing small replica boxes (wooden, stone or fired) filled with earth, placed into the ground with a large rock (symbolising the pyramid) placed on top. The point here is to demonstrate to you that the AEs of later dynasties clearly understood what those earth-filled boxes were for--they were part of a deep chthonic ritual relating to the rebirth of the EARTH. These earth-filled stone boxes were neb-ankh, they were not QRSW.

> PT's and funerary equipment?

There are no PTs in the great pyramids. Of 138 pyramids in Egypt only 8 pyramids have PTs and they appeared within a short period in the 5th-6th dynasties. What funerary equipment was found in the giant pyramids (the stone box is not a sarcophagus)?

> BTW, I thought they were part of your seed vault
> story, must be mistaken then.
>

Of course they are. An earth-filled stone box with some bull bones is strongly indicative of a chthonic ritual desiring the rebirth of the earth (the kingdom). The bull bones symbolised the fecundity of the earth. And, as I have said above, this chthonic ritual was practiced by later dynasties using their own, smaller replica earth-filled boxes which they buried below a large rock.

> > Saff-tombs for the 11th
> > > dyn and then again pyramids untill the switch
> > to
> > > rock-cut tombs in the NK.
> >
> > Yes, tombs.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Simply because the base of the first
> > > > pyramid built looks like a mastaba and has
> > > several
> > > > mastaba-looking steps creating a step
> pyramid
> > > > shape does not mean and should not mean
> that
> > > the
> > > > step pyramid was intended as a tomb.
> > >
> > > The royal tomb chamber with it's burial vault
> > and
> > > the galleries containing the remains of
> > sarcofagi
> > > and skeletons of members of the royal family,
> > are
> > > more than a subbtle hint that Djoser's
> pyramid
> > was
> > > intended as a tomb.
> > >
> > If the Step Pyramid was (stupidly) used as a
> tomb
> > by Djoser does not mean it was CONCEIVED and
> BUILT
> > as a tomb.
>
> Yes it was, it's very clear from an architectural
> analysis that the Step Pyramid complex combines
> the architecture of a typical 2nd dyn royal tomb
> with that of a 2nd dyn funerary enclosure into one
> structure.
>

And a church has similar architectural features to the Empire State Building. And because of that, by your logic, they must serve the same function. I beg to differ.

> Do you not understand the difference?
> > Can you explain why the remains of what is
> beieved
> > to be a foot of Djoser is around 1,000 years
> > younger than Djoser?
>
> It is not believed to be a foot of Djoser but an
> intrusive burial from a later period.
>

You claimed earlier it was a "royal" burial. Now it's not even Djoser. Which intrusive "royal" burial was it then?

> > > That's like
> > > > saying the similar looking church building
> > > evolved
> > > > into a sky-scraper. Their functions are
> very
> > > > different and THAT'S the point. Just
> because
> > > there
> > > > are similarities does not mean and should
> not
> > > mean
> > > > that their function was the same.
> > >
> > > Unless there are so much similarities that a
> > same
> > > function becomes undeniable.
> >
> > Define "so much similarities"? How many exactly
> > and what are they?
>
> Pyramids contain burial chambers,

You say "Burial chambers". I say "recovery vaults". There's more evidence backing my argument.

security
> measures

Really? Frst of all, you think placing a king (whose body had to be made secure at all costs to ensure the continued well-being of the country) in the most visible structure imaginable, that could be seen by tomb raiders in all directions up to 30 or 40 miles distant, was a secure burial place? No--the first rule of a secure burial is that you simply do not mark the grave site--something Khufu knew very well because it is what he apparently did for his own mother. But, oddly, not for himself? Of course, as a 'recovery vault' this is PRECISELY the kind of structure you would need.

Secondly--the Descending Passage was never blocked thereby inviting entry into the body of the structure. If this truly was a tomb then I am absolutely convinced that this passage would have been totally blocked, preventing any entry to the super-structure of the pyramid. This is, afterall, what Khufu did with the passgae entrance to his mother's tomb at Giza. This action, this LACK of security, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for the tomb of a king but makes perfect sense as a 'recovery vault'.

Thirdly--just to the east of the GP we find underground passages (known as the 'Trial Passages') which mimic the internal passage architecture of the GP--a 'map' if you like. Again--why on earth would an AE king provide tomb raiders with a handy 'map' of the internal arrangement of his so-called 'tomb'? And yet again, as a 'recovery vault' this 'map' makes perfect sense.

Fourthly--why was the 'Granite Leaf' left in place in the Ante Chamber to the so-called 'burial chamber'? This block of stone could have easily been used as a counter-weight to raise up the three blocking stones which prevented easy access to the main chamber. This is akin to leaving the key in the lock of your front door. Hardly a rigorous security measure. But once again--as 'recovery vaults' this makes perfect sense. You want people (survisors of the deluge) to have relatively easy access to the recovery cache.

>and sarcophagi just like mastaba tombs,

No. See above. The stone boxes found in the Gizamids are nothing like those found in tombs (mastabas).

> and are mostly surrounded by other tombs.

A church is built. Then some grand mausoleums and graves appear around the church. What you are arguing is that the Church was also conceived as a tomb, the biggest in the graveyard. It wasn't.

> Pyramids that weren't tombs such as the "seven
> provincial step pyramids" didn't have chambers.
>

Of course they weren't. So why build them? And why build cenotaph pyramids? Because mainstream Egyptology can find no other way to explain why an AE king would require more than one pyramid. Again the 'recovery vault' theory makes much better sense of this practice of AE kings building several pyramids.

> > > Your church building - sky-scraper comparison
> > is
> > > still a meaningless one in this context.
> > >
> >
> > No, it's not. It is designed to show how we can
> > easily see something and jump to conclusions.
> Just
> > because something LOOKS similar doesn;t mean
> they
> > were intended to BE similar or have the same
> > intended function.
>
> In case of the "seven provincial step pyramid"
> this is correct, for the other pyramids it's quite
> different.
>

Deflection. We're not talking about similar pyramids but rather your belief in the Egyptology claim of the mastaba evolving into a pyramid. Just because elements look similar doesn't necessarily mean the functions of the structures were the same.

> If you want to prove the
> > pyramids were conceived as tombs for the burial
> of
> > AE kings then you will have to produce much
> better
> > evidence than this.
>
> Don't need to, has been done already ;-)
>

Well it must be in your imagination because I see nothing concrete from you. And I'm not alone here in saying that.

> > > > The simple fact of the matter is that if in
> > > > ancient times, without iron or steel, I
> > wanted
> > > to
> > > > build a very tall structure for WHATEVER
> > > REASON,
> > > > then, by necessity, it would have to take
> the
> > > form
> > > > of a pyramid shape as this shape is the
> most
> > > > naturally stable shape to build without
> iron
> > or
> > > > steel. And in the early stages I would most
> > > likely
> > > > begin with a step pyramid until I had
> > > sufficient
> > > > skill and experience to figure out how to
> > > smooth
> > > > out the sides.
> > > >
> > > > Mastabas were tombs and were for burial.
> > > Mastaba
> > > > tombs contained QRSW, pyramids didn't.
> > Pyramids
> > > > were for something else altogether.
> > > >
> > > > SC
> > >
> > > Not sure what the abbreviation QRSW means.
> >
> > QRSW is but one AE word for 'sarcophagus'.
> >
> > SC
>
> Sarcophagi have been found in most pyramids, so
> your statement is totally incorrect.

Define what you mean by 'sarcophagi'? The AE had three different words for stone boxes and Egyptology, rather conveniently, labels them all as sarcophagi. A stone box in a pyramid does not mean it is meant for the burial of a person. (See above).

> I almost forgot that you try (in vain) to
> transform them into "Osiris-beds", which are
> completly different things.

They are neb-ankh. The earth-filled stone box found by Belzoni in G2 in 1818 is a rather fine example. THAT is what you call EVIDENCE.

SC



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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 122 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
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the Root of the tree 142 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 118 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 132 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 146 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 160 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 129 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 169 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 171 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
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Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 160 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
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