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> > > > > > Audrey Wrote:
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> > > > > > > Even if every mastaba were originally
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> > > > tomb,
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > > would that show that the pyramids
> were
> > > > tombs?
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> > > > > > The pyramid evolved from the mastaba;
> > > > Djoser's
> > > > > > original mastaba evolved into a stepped
> > > > mastaba
> > > > > > and then with Sekhemkhet a square
> > grounplan
> > > > was
> > > > > > used thus creating the first step
> > pyramid.
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> > > > > That's a neat hypothesis, now how are you
> > > going
> > > > to
> > > > > prove it?
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> > > > Not a hypothesis, just a statement of
> facts.
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> > > Djoser's pyramid was converted from a
> mastaba.
> > > The great pyramids were not converted from a
> > > mastaba.
> > > The great pyramids are very unlike Djosers
> > > pyramid.
> > > You're confusing evolution with conversion.
> > > Therefore the notion of pyramid by pyramid
> > > evolution is an unproven hypothesis and not a
> > fact
> > > or proven theory.
> > > How are you going to prove that hypothesis?
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> > If by great pyramids you mean those of the 4th
> > dyn, they are just another step in pyramid
> > evolution.
> > The Medum pyramid complex is the link between
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> > step pyramid complex and the "true" pyramid
> > complex.
> > The pyramid of Medum was originally a step
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> > but the other parts of the complex were
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> > new, a blueprint if you like for all that
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> > untill the end of the OK; cult pyramid (first
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> > ever, but a stepped one; only one of it's kind
> ),
> > funerary chapel (evolved into temple), causway,
> > valley temple.
> > Don't forget that this step pyramid was
> converted
> > into a "true" pyramid.
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> Some questions:
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> First: Why do you think the Meidum inner stepped
> 'cores' were smoothed with casing stones and then
> additonal casing stones added to convert to a true
> pyramid?

Sneferu wanted a true pyramid, after the problems with the Bent the conversion at Meidum started etc. As you well know you can find this in most works about pyramids.

> Second: Why do you think the core stepped
> footprint of Meidum was constructed on solid
> bedrock but the added casing to convert t to a
> true pyramid was built on sand (hence why this
> part collapsed)?

Collapse occured centuries later as you probably know.

> It strongly suggests to me that there were two
> quite different builders involved. One who
> understood and knew how to build a secure
> structure i.e. on a solid foundation and one who
> was quite ignorant of such. I'd be interested to
> hear your view.
>
> SC

It suggest Sneferu wanted a true pyramid at all costs, no need for two different builders.

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Plausible functions of the great pyramid 2198 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:10
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 468 Nemobutwhatiimagian 04-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 411 Barbelo 04-Jan-18 20:29
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 249 theoferrum 11-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 279 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 12:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 298 D-Archer 05-Jan-18 13:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 264 Nemobutwhatiimagian 05-Jan-18 14:24
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 273 Pifaaso 05-Jan-18 14:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 238 MBeeler 07-Jan-18 05:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 314 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 14:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 331 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 239 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 276 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 264 M. J. Thomas 05-Jan-18 22:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 289 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 22:16
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 306 M. J. Thomas 06-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 243 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 08:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Function in plain sight! 289 Thunderbird 07-Jan-18 19:12
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 272 Corpuscles 05-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 249 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 21:30
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 166 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 283 charly 06-Jan-18 11:19
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 180 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 14:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 189 charly 06-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 178 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 19:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 150 charly 06-Jan-18 20:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 190 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 160 charly 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 140 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:58
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 195 charly 06-Jan-18 22:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 244 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 21:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 179 charly 06-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 202 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 10:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 theoferrum 12-Jan-18 07:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 12:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 168 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 10:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 181 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 162 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 231 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 19:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 207 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 14:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 charly 06-Jan-18 14:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 15:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 173 charly 06-Jan-18 21:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 160 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 charly 06-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 142 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 144 charly 06-Jan-18 22:43
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 179 Jon Ellison 06-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:13
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 223 Scott Creighton 06-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 charly 07-Jan-18 09:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 242 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 145 Merrell 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 182 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 13:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 charly 07-Jan-18 14:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 174 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 148 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 15:11
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 248 charly 07-Jan-18 15:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 196 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 236 Corpuscles 07-Jan-18 17:28
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 183 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 271 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 19:27
SC deflection 214 Corpuscles 08-Jan-18 23:00
I must be doing something right, too. n/t 204 cladking 09-Jan-18 02:01
Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 268 charly 09-Jan-18 09:32
Re: Re:Sneferu and his pyramids 215 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 13:26
Re: SC deflection 239 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:04
Re: SC deflection 244 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 16:59
Re: SC deflection 184 Corpuscles 09-Jan-18 23:23
Re: SC deflection 225 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 10:22
Re: SC deflection 192 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 11:56
Re: SC deflection 177 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:25
Re: SC deflection 203 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 15:47
Re: SC deflection 215 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:05
Re: SC deflection 177 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:14
Re: SC deflection 170 cladking 10-Jan-18 17:41
Ramps? 210 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 10:57
Re: SC deflection 156 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 20:46
Re: SC deflection 169 cladking 11-Jan-18 21:12
Re: SC deflection 192 Corpuscles 11-Jan-18 01:17
Re: SC deflection 196 Open mind 11-Jan-18 04:07
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 eyeofhorus33 09-Jan-18 21:05
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:41
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Corpuscles 10-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 147 cladking 10-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 151 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 09:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 233 Merrell 10-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 185 eyeofhorus33 10-Jan-18 17:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 198 Scott Creighton 11-Jan-18 11:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 15:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 206 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 186 cladking 11-Jan-18 18:51
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 156 eyeofhorus33 11-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 163 cladking 11-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 199 Martin Stower 11-Jan-18 21:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 264 cladking 12-Jan-18 01:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 155 cladking 12-Jan-18 19:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 137 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 20:44
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 154 cladking 12-Jan-18 21:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 eyeofhorus33 12-Jan-18 22:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 171 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 166 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:25
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 162 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 152 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:38
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 164 Martin Stower 12-Jan-18 23:37
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 140 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:52
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 184 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 176 cladking 13-Jan-18 03:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 175 Corpuscles 12-Jan-18 23:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 229 Scott Creighton 12-Jan-18 10:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 155 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 07:45
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 224 Scott Creighton 13-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 163 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 12:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 164 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 18:29
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 194 cladking 13-Jan-18 20:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 149 Martin Stower 13-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 153 cladking 13-Jan-18 21:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 195 eyeofhorus33 14-Jan-18 00:00
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 183 cladking 14-Jan-18 01:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 221 Nemobutwhatiimagian 09-Jan-18 17:55
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 185 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 214 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:12
Sam: act 3 scene 2 160 Warwick 09-Jan-18 16:58
Re: Sam: act 3 scene 2 181 cladking 09-Jan-18 20:36
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 222 charly 07-Jan-18 15:17
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 155 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:50
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 160 Scott Creighton 07-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 245 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 00:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 244 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 10:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 200 Scott Creighton 08-Jan-18 10:47
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 11:31
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 227 charly 08-Jan-18 13:18
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 232 Martin Stower 08-Jan-18 14:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 237 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 11:33
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 173 charly 09-Jan-18 13:59
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 152 cladking 09-Jan-18 14:34
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 Scott Creighton 09-Jan-18 15:54
the Root of the tree 176 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:09
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 217 charly 09-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 149 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 168 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 Scott Creighton 10-Jan-18 08:42
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 182 Thanos5150 08-Jan-18 21:00
Rubbish! 191 Warwick 09-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 212 Martin Stower 09-Jan-18 18:02
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 165 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 185 Thanos5150 09-Jan-18 22:35
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 205 Martin Stower 10-Jan-18 18:30
just to be clear... 211 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:40
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 149 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:08
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 201 charly 07-Jan-18 16:03
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 150 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:27
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 177 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 12:39
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 216 Audrey 07-Jan-18 07:04
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 220 Thanos5150 06-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 210 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Plausible (?) functions of the great pyramid 172 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 23:34
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 280 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 15:03
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 230 cladking 05-Jan-18 17:32
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 234 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 17:45
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 242 Jon Ellison 05-Jan-18 18:01
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 204 cladking 05-Jan-18 18:50
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 218 Nemobutwhatiimagian 14-Jan-18 09:26
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 178 Nemobutwhatiimagian 06-Jan-18 16:59
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 169 Barbelo 06-Jan-18 19:53
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 197 Open mind 07-Jan-18 08:25
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 212 Nemobutwhatiimagian 07-Jan-18 12:18
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 203 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 12:42
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 213 M. J. Thomas 07-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 175 Open mind 07-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 156 M. J. Thomas 07-Jan-18 19:23
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 199 cladking 07-Jan-18 15:31
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 172 Open mind 07-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 217 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:42
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 206 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 124 cladking 07-Jan-18 21:50
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 205 Martin Stower 07-Jan-18 22:19
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 225 Open mind 08-Jan-18 01:59
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 226 cladking 08-Jan-18 02:46
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 162 Warwick 09-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 219 Anonymous User 07-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 188 Nemobutwhatiimagian 07-Jan-18 22:02
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 198 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 22:09
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 200 cladking 07-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 221 Nemobutwhatiimagian 07-Jan-18 18:41
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 186 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 18:58
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 181 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 21:16
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 158 Nemobutwhatiimagian 08-Jan-18 21:45
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 196 Open mind 09-Jan-18 21:56
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 208 Nemobutwhatiimagian 10-Jan-18 01:20
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 193 Nemobutwhatiimagian 10-Jan-18 16:40
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 188 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 202 Anonymous User 10-Jan-18 17:20
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 205 Open mind 10-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 138 Open mind 10-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 129 Anonymous User 10-Jan-18 18:22
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 179 Open mind 10-Jan-18 18:48
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 170 Anonymous User 10-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 211 Open mind 10-Jan-18 19:27
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 171 Anonymous User 10-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 172 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 11:03
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 209 Anonymous User 13-Jan-18 15:09
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 220 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:20
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 164 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:27
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 213 Open mind 10-Jan-18 21:33
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 172 Nemobutwhatiimagian 10-Jan-18 23:59
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 239 Open mind 11-Jan-18 03:57
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 145 M. J. Thomas 11-Jan-18 19:35
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 229 Nemobutwhatiimagian 11-Jan-18 01:31
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 227 M. J. Thomas 11-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 211 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:41
Re: Plausible functions of the great pyramid 188 Open mind 11-Jan-18 02:46
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