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> > > > > > Even if every mastaba were originally a
> > > tomb,
> > > > > how
> > > > > > would that show that the pyramids were
> > > tombs?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The pyramid evolved from the mastaba;
> > > Djoser's
> > > > > original mastaba evolved into a stepped
> > > mastaba
> > > > > and then with Sekhemkhet a square
> grounplan
> > > was
> > > > > used thus creating the first step
> pyramid.
> > > >
> > > > You mean like this:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SC
> > >
> > > Not at all, a comparison between a church
> > steeple
> > > and a skyscraper is totally meaningless and
> has
> > > nothing to do with the fact that Djoser's
> > monument
> > > evolved from a mastaba into a stepped
> mastaba.
> > Or
> > > do you deny this fact?
> >
> > I don't deny that you have claimed it as a fact.
> I
> > have yet to see it proven so.
> >
> > Ancient Egyptian kings were buried in mastaba
> > tombs BEFORE the great pyramid-building age and
> > AFTER it.
>
> Shepseskhaf was buried in a mastaba-like tomb,

It's actually questionable whether Shepseskaf was actually buried in the mastaba attributed to him but we'll let that one slide. If he was then yes--because mastabas WERE tombs.

> but then it's again pyramids,

Which WEREN'T tombs. There are at least two kings who have both mastaba tombs and, supposedly, pyramid tombs. Furthermore, the 5th/6th Dyn pyramids were built for the Ka of the King and for very good reason. Built for his KA -- NOT his actual body.

Saff-tombs for the 11th
> dyn and then again pyramids untill the switch to
> rock-cut tombs in the NK.

Yes, tombs.


>
> Simply because the base of the first
> > pyramid built looks like a mastaba and has
> several
> > mastaba-looking steps creating a step pyramid
> > shape does not mean and should not mean that
> the
> > step pyramid was intended as a tomb.
>
> The royal tomb chamber with it's burial vault and
> the galleries containing the remains of sarcofagi
> and skeletons of members of the royal family, are
> more than a subbtle hint that Djoser's pyramid was
> intended as a tomb.
>
If the Step Pyramid was (stupidly) used as a tomb by Djoser does not mean it was CONCEIVED and BUILT as a tomb. Do you not understand the difference? Can you explain why the remains of what is beieved to be a foot of Djoser is around 1,000 years younger than Djoser?

> That's like
> > saying the similar looking church building
> evolved
> > into a sky-scraper. Their functions are very
> > different and THAT'S the point. Just because
> there
> > are similarities does not mean and should not
> mean
> > that their function was the same.
>
> Unless there are so much similarities that a same
> function becomes undeniable.

Define "so much similarities"? How many exactly and what are they?

> Your church building - sky-scraper comparison is
> still a meaningless one in this context.
>

No, it's not. It is designed to show how we can easily see something and jump to conclusions. Just because something LOOKS similar doesn;t mean they were intended to BE similar or have the same intended function. If you want to prove the pyramids were conceived as tombs for the burial of AE kings then you will have to produce much better evidence than this.

> > The simple fact of the matter is that if in
> > ancient times, without iron or steel, I wanted
> to
> > build a very tall structure for WHATEVER
> REASON,
> > then, by necessity, it would have to take the
> form
> > of a pyramid shape as this shape is the most
> > naturally stable shape to build without iron or
> > steel. And in the early stages I would most
> likely
> > begin with a step pyramid until I had
> sufficient
> > skill and experience to figure out how to
> smooth
> > out the sides.
> >
> > Mastabas were tombs and were for burial.
> Mastaba
> > tombs contained QRSW, pyramids didn't. Pyramids
> > were for something else altogether.
> >
> > SC
>
> Not sure what the abbreviation QRSW means.

QRSW is but one AE word for 'sarcophagus'.

SC



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jan-18 22:13 by Scott Creighton.