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I pretty much agree and see everything from another perspective. For we moderns perspective is usually irrelevant so long as the message gets through anyway but in this case (just like ancient language) the perspective is very much the message.

Origyptian Wrote:
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> Depending on what's being studied, I don't think
> it's necessary, or even desirable, to have
> majority (let alone complete) agreement with
> whatever turns out to be the facts.

"Species" is irrelevant". "Peer review" is irrelevant. "Human knowledge" is irrelevant. There are no "humans" merely 7+ billion individuals.

All that exists anywhere are individuals and all individuals everywhere (other than us) think alike. It's so easy for us to see species etc because our brain likes to categorize and organize. We even think in such terms because we must learn language not only to communicate but to learn what others did who came long before. Language itself forces things into categories and types. Our math does this as well. Our perspective tends to grossly overestimate the importance of these things and even hide the fact it's not necessary to think in such terms.

> I mean, if
> three people on Earth discover that the planet is
> in fact going to be destroyed 53 years from now,
> would we be far better off if all possible
> resources focused on how to get us out of that
> mess rather than "wasting" years of valuable
> damage control time just to corroborate that the
> end is morally, ethically, 
spiritually,
> physically, positively, absolutely,
 undeniably
> and reliably
nigh?

Consciousness is provided to all life to estimate the odds of the outcome of various behaviors. The "brain" is merely a biological machine to calculate these odds which is perceived by the individual as consciousness. Animals which survive to adulthood simply have a great deal of experience learning what works and what doesn't. A rabbit's reality is neither defined nor known because "rabbits" (read "all individuals with these characteristics") lack a complex language to pass on knowledge. Each "rabbit" is a scientist which must start "all over" at birth to learn the ways of reality.

If three people believe anything it has no bearing on reality. It also has no bearing on other individuals unless they are believed. If the individuals are the three finest scientists it changes nothing except to make the story more believable and more likely to be supported with evidence and logic.

> Again, maybe it's a tough
> line to draw, and maybe there isn't really a line
> at all, but more like a fuzzy, sketched line; a
> spectrum or confidence band that's based on the
> logic base of the audience. Maybe that, too, is
> built into the DNA code as one way Nature hedge's
> its "bet" on each new "mutation". Again, random?

These are "human" concerns that are unconnected from reality.

All ideas and all thought is individual. No group of rabbits and no bunch of humans can think or ever had an idea.

To consciousness reality is probabilities or confidence bands but groups can't access these except to the degree they can be legitimately quantified.

Humans are social animals by nature and appear as a mostly homogenous group because of the way we think. We are adept at making taxonomies and are the first to occupy one.

> Anyway, it took many years to turn Einstein's
> hypothesis into a testable theory. Physics didn't
> shut down in the interim though. If I recall
> correctly, not all components of his Reliativity
> have been verified yet. Science has its
> foundations in speculation. Some fail validation
> while others pass. Quantitative science is also
> based on being able to independently test and
> corroborate the validity of a speculation.

It's still entirely possible that other theory exists to explain observation. There are some good hypotheses out there.

> At my orientation in grad school, my department
> chairman lined up all of us newbies and asked us
> "What does it take to become a Ph.D.?" Most
> of the students suggested the standard academic
> and research achievement stuff, and he nodded but
> then at some point interrupted and said "You
> can't be a Ph.D. until you learn how to say 'I
> don't know'. But then you damn well better know
> how to go about trying to find the answer!".


I agree with your teacher and would take it a step or two further. It's not enough to merely say "I don't know" but rather one must sally forth and seek what he doesn't know. More progress results from finding anomalies than any other form of serendipity. One should try to learn to see anomalies preferentially to beliefs. This may not be for everyone since there may be no way for most individuals to both specialize and learn to see anomalies. I don't know if I could do it because I don't know if I could have specialized in any major branch of science since my math skills were never so high. I even had some trouble with calculus.

Humans (all individuals) simply think differently. The way we think is derived from a confusion of Ancient Language overlain with massive amounts of knowledge from diverse sources made possible by language. We don't notice that we each have different beliefs because we so often arrive at the same answer. We don't notice that each listener takes a different meaning because there is so rarely a test and we prefer not to think of it. With our language it is hard to imagine another way to think but it is the way all other life and ancient people thought. If I'm right the only way to study this would be to devise experiments accordingly. Or we could try to program a computer to process information like animals and let it make the necessary observations or comb the relevant data bases.

Theory is stuck with Einstein in the 1920's. I don't know what the problem is.

But from my perspective it seems we might be at the limits of the tool (scientific metaphysics) that we use to understand reality. 100 years is a long time to be stuck but Egyptology can do it standing on their heads. ;)

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 375 PhiPIandI 29-Dec-17 20:51
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 225 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 207 rodz111 21-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 293 jjeremybenthem 29-Dec-17 21:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 188 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 327 Aine 29-Dec-17 23:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 240 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 11:12
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:10
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 240 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:47
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 194 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 17:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 210 Aine 30-Dec-17 17:57
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 18:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 190 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 18:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 218 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 20:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 21:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 167 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 193 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 262 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 129 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 167 cladking 30-Dec-17 19:11
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 195 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 163 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 272 Reagent 30-Dec-17 02:49
Re: Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 131 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 250 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 188 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 203 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 162 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 105 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 183 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
Not necessarily Christian 181 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:26
Re: Not necessarily Christian 170 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 141 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 170 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 152 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 150 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 155 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 140 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 146 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 142 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 120 brett z 01-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 154 Aine 31-Dec-17 17:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 175 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 150 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 161 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:31
What about Multiverse ? 161 Vanya 01-Jan-18 12:19
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 138 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 124 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 101 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 128 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 160 brett z 30-Dec-17 23:04
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 08:47
, Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 09:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design 155 DUNE 31-Dec-17 10:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 158 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 162 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 170 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 155 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 105 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 152 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 153 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 149 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 141 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 134 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
driving force 142 brett z 01-Jan-18 18:57
Re: driving force 138 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
Re: driving force 146 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 136 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 136 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 168 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 201 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 152 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 181 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
entropy 145 brett z 03-Jan-18 15:45
Re: entropy 139 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 142 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
Re: entropy 186 brett z 03-Jan-18 21:15
Re: entropy 130 Aham 04-Jan-18 05:07
Re: entropy 154 brett z 04-Jan-18 05:52
Re: entropy 125 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: entropy 133 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:59
Re: entropy 159 brett z 05-Jan-18 17:13
Re: entropy 140 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 18:17
Re: entropy 144 brett z 05-Jan-18 18:21
Re: entropy 123 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 18:08
Re: entropy 142 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:13
snow crystals and life 184 brett z 05-Jan-18 20:52
Re: snow crystals and life 132 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 21:18
Re: snow crystals and life 127 brett z 06-Jan-18 22:08
Re: entropy 170 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 15:34
Information 132 drrayeye 05-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Information 129 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Information 115 cladking 06-Jan-18 19:35
Re: Information 133 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 20:14
Re: entropy 139 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:16
Re: entropy 129 Eddie Larry 05-Jan-18 20:32
Re: entropy 160 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:53
Re: entropy 138 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 20:47
Re: entropy 127 cladking 06-Jan-18 21:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 154 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 101 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 81 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 127 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 132 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 126 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 149 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 110 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 91 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 116 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 115 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 144 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 130 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 121 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 158 Thunderbird 06-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 105 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 130 Thunderbird 08-Jan-18 05:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 153 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:13
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 117 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 163 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 17:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 122 cladking 08-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 167 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 16:55
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 162 cladking 09-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 143 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 06:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 149 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 164 Audrey 10-Jan-18 18:03
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 135 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 18:57
Re: Masonic History 129 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Masonic History 143 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Masonic History 147 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:35
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 141 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 85 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:00
Re: The speed of Thought : ) 122 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 211 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:42
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 119 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:20
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 162 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 121 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 129 Origyptian 11-Jan-18 06:04
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 196 cladking 11-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 131 Audrey 11-Jan-18 02:26
Re: UBW/nt 120 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 164 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 115 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 138 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 165 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 121 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 147 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 153 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 117 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 161 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 127 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 111 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 127 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 105 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 91 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 96 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 120 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 127 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 98 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 138 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 126 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 123 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 140 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 141 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 125 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 119 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 112 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 115 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 126 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 163 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 107 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 133 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 118 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 119 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 139 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 135 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 139 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 154 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 162 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 124 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 117 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 134 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 147 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 139 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 126 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 131 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 93 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 137 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 128 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 93 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 100 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 88 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 131 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 185 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 136 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 154 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 109 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 87 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 167 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 171 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 120 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 168 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 123 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 176 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 177 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 189 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 135 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 141 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 163 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 166 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 165 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 154 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 137 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 151 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 137 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 153 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 180 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 155 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 182 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 193 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 144 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 176 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 187 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 151 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 181 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 139 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 103 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 124 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 23:12
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 129 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 129 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 106 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:55
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 124 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:34
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 103 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 139 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 145 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 02:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 171 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 118 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:50
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 133 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 134 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 136 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 127 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 110 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 144 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 130 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 96 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 109 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 154 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 133 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 117 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 126 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 90 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 96 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 91 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 115 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 88 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 109 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 128 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 122 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 128 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 102 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 112 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 83 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 106 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 111 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 124 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 132 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 128 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 153 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 164 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 174 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 143 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 179 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 93 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 113 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 71 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 147 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 129 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 134 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 120 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 139 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 141 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 127 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 134 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 152 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 139 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 150 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 138 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 180 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 152 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 165 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 135 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 162 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 149 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 137 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 187 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 97 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 195 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 163 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 170 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 190 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 183 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 188 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 124 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 182 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 171 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 95 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 145 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 176 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 124 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 160 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 137 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 159 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 138 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 166 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 127 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 111 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 122 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 149 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 126 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 105 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 111 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 144 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 151 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 146 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 146 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 148 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 141 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 106 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 147 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 117 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 127 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 84 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 145 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 112 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 99 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 148 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 98 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 131 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 163 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 208 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 144 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 121 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 124 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 134 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 63 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 113 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 120 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 95 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 92 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 118 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 86 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 124 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 163 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 139 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 122 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 172 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 139 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 121 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 149 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 186 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 136 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 135 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 120 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 155 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 127 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 184 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 134 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 149 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 160 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 91 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 124 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 127 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 116 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 143 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 130 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 120 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 115 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 106 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 106 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 87 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 115 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 135 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 81 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 81 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 123 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 136 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 118 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 187 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 127 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 123 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 176 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 112 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 112 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 166 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 68 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 156 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 72 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 147 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 81 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 112 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 116 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 128 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 165 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 155 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 165 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 114 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 139 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 123 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 88 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 156 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 115 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 116 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 140 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 137 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 174 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 122 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 128 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 118 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 187 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 133 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 159 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 142 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 156 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 164 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 146 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 147 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 147 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 209 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 120 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 181 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 130 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 119 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 102 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 174 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 125 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 195 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 91 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 147 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 155 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 158 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 108 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 135 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 178 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 191 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 86 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 149 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 104 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 139 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 117 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 166 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 124 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 157 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 126 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 68 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 113 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 156 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 134 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 162 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 164 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 122 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 136 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 120 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 115 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 123 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 188 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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