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I pretty much agree and see everything from another perspective. For we moderns perspective is usually irrelevant so long as the message gets through anyway but in this case (just like ancient language) the perspective is very much the message.

Origyptian Wrote:
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> Depending on what's being studied, I don't think
> it's necessary, or even desirable, to have
> majority (let alone complete) agreement with
> whatever turns out to be the facts.

"Species" is irrelevant". "Peer review" is irrelevant. "Human knowledge" is irrelevant. There are no "humans" merely 7+ billion individuals.

All that exists anywhere are individuals and all individuals everywhere (other than us) think alike. It's so easy for us to see species etc because our brain likes to categorize and organize. We even think in such terms because we must learn language not only to communicate but to learn what others did who came long before. Language itself forces things into categories and types. Our math does this as well. Our perspective tends to grossly overestimate the importance of these things and even hide the fact it's not necessary to think in such terms.

> I mean, if
> three people on Earth discover that the planet is
> in fact going to be destroyed 53 years from now,
> would we be far better off if all possible
> resources focused on how to get us out of that
> mess rather than "wasting" years of valuable
> damage control time just to corroborate that the
> end is morally, ethically, 
spiritually,
> physically, positively, absolutely,
 undeniably
> and reliably
nigh?

Consciousness is provided to all life to estimate the odds of the outcome of various behaviors. The "brain" is merely a biological machine to calculate these odds which is perceived by the individual as consciousness. Animals which survive to adulthood simply have a great deal of experience learning what works and what doesn't. A rabbit's reality is neither defined nor known because "rabbits" (read "all individuals with these characteristics") lack a complex language to pass on knowledge. Each "rabbit" is a scientist which must start "all over" at birth to learn the ways of reality.

If three people believe anything it has no bearing on reality. It also has no bearing on other individuals unless they are believed. If the individuals are the three finest scientists it changes nothing except to make the story more believable and more likely to be supported with evidence and logic.

> Again, maybe it's a tough
> line to draw, and maybe there isn't really a line
> at all, but more like a fuzzy, sketched line; a
> spectrum or confidence band that's based on the
> logic base of the audience. Maybe that, too, is
> built into the DNA code as one way Nature hedge's
> its "bet" on each new "mutation". Again, random?

These are "human" concerns that are unconnected from reality.

All ideas and all thought is individual. No group of rabbits and no bunch of humans can think or ever had an idea.

To consciousness reality is probabilities or confidence bands but groups can't access these except to the degree they can be legitimately quantified.

Humans are social animals by nature and appear as a mostly homogenous group because of the way we think. We are adept at making taxonomies and are the first to occupy one.

> Anyway, it took many years to turn Einstein's
> hypothesis into a testable theory. Physics didn't
> shut down in the interim though. If I recall
> correctly, not all components of his Reliativity
> have been verified yet. Science has its
> foundations in speculation. Some fail validation
> while others pass. Quantitative science is also
> based on being able to independently test and
> corroborate the validity of a speculation.

It's still entirely possible that other theory exists to explain observation. There are some good hypotheses out there.

> At my orientation in grad school, my department
> chairman lined up all of us newbies and asked us
> "What does it take to become a Ph.D.?" Most
> of the students suggested the standard academic
> and research achievement stuff, and he nodded but
> then at some point interrupted and said "You
> can't be a Ph.D. until you learn how to say 'I
> don't know'. But then you damn well better know
> how to go about trying to find the answer!".


I agree with your teacher and would take it a step or two further. It's not enough to merely say "I don't know" but rather one must sally forth and seek what he doesn't know. More progress results from finding anomalies than any other form of serendipity. One should try to learn to see anomalies preferentially to beliefs. This may not be for everyone since there may be no way for most individuals to both specialize and learn to see anomalies. I don't know if I could do it because I don't know if I could have specialized in any major branch of science since my math skills were never so high. I even had some trouble with calculus.

Humans (all individuals) simply think differently. The way we think is derived from a confusion of Ancient Language overlain with massive amounts of knowledge from diverse sources made possible by language. We don't notice that we each have different beliefs because we so often arrive at the same answer. We don't notice that each listener takes a different meaning because there is so rarely a test and we prefer not to think of it. With our language it is hard to imagine another way to think but it is the way all other life and ancient people thought. If I'm right the only way to study this would be to devise experiments accordingly. Or we could try to program a computer to process information like animals and let it make the necessary observations or comb the relevant data bases.

Theory is stuck with Einstein in the 1920's. I don't know what the problem is.

But from my perspective it seems we might be at the limits of the tool (scientific metaphysics) that we use to understand reality. 100 years is a long time to be stuck but Egyptology can do it standing on their heads. ;)

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 178 rodz111 21-Jan-18 15:52
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:10
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 173 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 17:41
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 171 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 18:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 188 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 20:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 197 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 21:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 140 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 170 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 109 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 147 cladking 30-Dec-17 19:11
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 174 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 140 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 242 Reagent 30-Dec-17 02:49
Re: Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 109 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 221 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 161 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 171 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 141 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 87 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 164 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
Not necessarily Christian 164 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:26
Re: Not necessarily Christian 155 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 118 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 151 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 131 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 132 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 136 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 124 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 130 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 123 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 105 brett z 01-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 137 Aine 31-Dec-17 17:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 155 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 131 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 138 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:31
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 117 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 108 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 85 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 103 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 140 brett z 30-Dec-17 23:04
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 156 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 08:47
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design 138 DUNE 31-Dec-17 10:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 136 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 167 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 134 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 152 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 156 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 158 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 137 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 132 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 91 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 134 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 135 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 153 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 130 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 123 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 111 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 158 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
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Re: driving force 123 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 118 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 122 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 146 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 168 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 170 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 132 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 161 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 147 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
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Re: entropy 124 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 118 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
Re: entropy 159 brett z 03-Jan-18 21:15
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Re: entropy 118 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:59
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 131 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 89 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 67 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 112 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 111 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 101 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 129 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 105 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 96 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 76 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 97 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 96 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 125 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 112 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 101 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 140 Thunderbird 06-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 93 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 109 Thunderbird 08-Jan-18 05:59
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 99 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 141 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 17:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 109 cladking 08-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 142 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 16:55
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 139 cladking 09-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 129 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 06:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 125 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 142 Audrey 10-Jan-18 18:03
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 114 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 18:57
Re: Masonic History 113 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Masonic History 119 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Masonic History 127 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:35
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 122 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 75 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:00
Re: The speed of Thought : ) 105 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 186 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:42
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 102 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:20
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 133 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 21:53
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 172 cladking 11-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 114 Audrey 11-Jan-18 02:26
Re: UBW/nt 103 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 141 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 101 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 102 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 123 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 104 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 144 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 109 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 125 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 107 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 138 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 131 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 100 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 135 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 109 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 94 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 106 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 112 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 110 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 93 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 81 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 86 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 109 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 110 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 87 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 121 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 133 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 165 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 109 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 110 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 125 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 124 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 110 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 105 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 98 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 97 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 112 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 142 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 89 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 118 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 102 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 101 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 122 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 111 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 120 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 139 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 135 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 108 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 102 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 119 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 129 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 121 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 111 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 111 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 78 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 119 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 113 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 82 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 91 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 77 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 113 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 162 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 120 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 128 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 97 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 75 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 143 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 141 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 104 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 145 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 108 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 155 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 153 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 166 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 111 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 122 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 144 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 143 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 146 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 130 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 118 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 132 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 114 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 137 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 160 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 176 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 159 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 136 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 158 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 169 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 125 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 154 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 163 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 132 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 159 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 124 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 94 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:21
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 114 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:19
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 109 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:34
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 88 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:54
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 128 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 02:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 140 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 05:44
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 118 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 118 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 102 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 120 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 109 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 167 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 99 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 121 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 115 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 85 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 93 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 134 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 138 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 110 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 105 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
Kerala 2016 120 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 21:43
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Medjugorje - May 2010 103 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 109 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 76 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 83 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 77 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 102 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 78 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 96 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 111 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 107 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 110 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 89 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 96 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 73 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 89 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 94 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 111 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 116 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 113 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 134 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 144 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 156 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 126 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 156 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 80 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 99 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 61 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 123 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 109 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 116 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 100 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 111 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 122 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 112 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 116 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 131 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 124 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 134 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 121 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 157 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 131 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 144 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 118 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 159 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 145 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 129 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 117 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 163 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 82 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 183 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 178 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 145 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 147 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 157 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 159 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 165 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 107 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 157 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 145 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 84 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 127 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 152 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 104 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 141 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 118 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 139 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 104 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 145 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 108 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 94 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 104 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 128 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 110 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 92 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 95 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 128 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 131 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 126 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 120 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 93 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 97 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 113 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 67 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 123 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 97 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 88 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 127 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 86 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 114 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 138 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 187 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 110 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 104 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 108 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 117 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 56 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 98 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 104 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 79 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 75 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 101 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 80 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 108 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 140 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 118 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 100 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 156 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 120 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 105 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 131 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 158 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 123 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 123 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 106 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 136 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 112 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 157 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 121 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 127 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 143 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 77 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 107 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 110 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 98 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 121 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 114 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 105 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 99 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 88 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 91 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 74 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 98 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 118 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 68 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 73 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 104 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 120 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 105 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 164 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 108 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 108 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 147 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 96 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 98 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 141 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 57 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 134 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 61 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 124 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 68 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 97 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 97 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 111 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 136 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 127 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 141 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 96 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 116 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 102 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 73 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 133 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 98 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 101 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 121 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 120 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 152 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 106 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 104 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 100 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 161 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 115 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 138 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 128 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 142 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 145 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 131 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 128 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 134 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 190 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 109 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 158 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 115 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 107 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 87 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 159 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 106 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 166 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 78 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 127 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 135 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 140 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 92 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 113 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 162 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 171 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 72 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 132 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 90 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 118 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 102 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 136 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 105 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 134 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 108 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 57 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 98 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 137 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 117 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 135 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 134 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 98 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 118 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 98 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 97 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 105 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 161 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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