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I pretty much agree and see everything from another perspective. For we moderns perspective is usually irrelevant so long as the message gets through anyway but in this case (just like ancient language) the perspective is very much the message.

Origyptian Wrote:
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> Depending on what's being studied, I don't think
> it's necessary, or even desirable, to have
> majority (let alone complete) agreement with
> whatever turns out to be the facts.

"Species" is irrelevant". "Peer review" is irrelevant. "Human knowledge" is irrelevant. There are no "humans" merely 7+ billion individuals.

All that exists anywhere are individuals and all individuals everywhere (other than us) think alike. It's so easy for us to see species etc because our brain likes to categorize and organize. We even think in such terms because we must learn language not only to communicate but to learn what others did who came long before. Language itself forces things into categories and types. Our math does this as well. Our perspective tends to grossly overestimate the importance of these things and even hide the fact it's not necessary to think in such terms.

> I mean, if
> three people on Earth discover that the planet is
> in fact going to be destroyed 53 years from now,
> would we be far better off if all possible
> resources focused on how to get us out of that
> mess rather than "wasting" years of valuable
> damage control time just to corroborate that the
> end is morally, ethically, 
spiritually,
> physically, positively, absolutely,
 undeniably
> and reliably
nigh?

Consciousness is provided to all life to estimate the odds of the outcome of various behaviors. The "brain" is merely a biological machine to calculate these odds which is perceived by the individual as consciousness. Animals which survive to adulthood simply have a great deal of experience learning what works and what doesn't. A rabbit's reality is neither defined nor known because "rabbits" (read "all individuals with these characteristics") lack a complex language to pass on knowledge. Each "rabbit" is a scientist which must start "all over" at birth to learn the ways of reality.

If three people believe anything it has no bearing on reality. It also has no bearing on other individuals unless they are believed. If the individuals are the three finest scientists it changes nothing except to make the story more believable and more likely to be supported with evidence and logic.

> Again, maybe it's a tough
> line to draw, and maybe there isn't really a line
> at all, but more like a fuzzy, sketched line; a
> spectrum or confidence band that's based on the
> logic base of the audience. Maybe that, too, is
> built into the DNA code as one way Nature hedge's
> its "bet" on each new "mutation". Again, random?

These are "human" concerns that are unconnected from reality.

All ideas and all thought is individual. No group of rabbits and no bunch of humans can think or ever had an idea.

To consciousness reality is probabilities or confidence bands but groups can't access these except to the degree they can be legitimately quantified.

Humans are social animals by nature and appear as a mostly homogenous group because of the way we think. We are adept at making taxonomies and are the first to occupy one.

> Anyway, it took many years to turn Einstein's
> hypothesis into a testable theory. Physics didn't
> shut down in the interim though. If I recall
> correctly, not all components of his Reliativity
> have been verified yet. Science has its
> foundations in speculation. Some fail validation
> while others pass. Quantitative science is also
> based on being able to independently test and
> corroborate the validity of a speculation.

It's still entirely possible that other theory exists to explain observation. There are some good hypotheses out there.

> At my orientation in grad school, my department
> chairman lined up all of us newbies and asked us
> "What does it take to become a Ph.D.?" Most
> of the students suggested the standard academic
> and research achievement stuff, and he nodded but
> then at some point interrupted and said "You
> can't be a Ph.D. until you learn how to say 'I
> don't know'. But then you damn well better know
> how to go about trying to find the answer!".


I agree with your teacher and would take it a step or two further. It's not enough to merely say "I don't know" but rather one must sally forth and seek what he doesn't know. More progress results from finding anomalies than any other form of serendipity. One should try to learn to see anomalies preferentially to beliefs. This may not be for everyone since there may be no way for most individuals to both specialize and learn to see anomalies. I don't know if I could do it because I don't know if I could have specialized in any major branch of science since my math skills were never so high. I even had some trouble with calculus.

Humans (all individuals) simply think differently. The way we think is derived from a confusion of Ancient Language overlain with massive amounts of knowledge from diverse sources made possible by language. We don't notice that we each have different beliefs because we so often arrive at the same answer. We don't notice that each listener takes a different meaning because there is so rarely a test and we prefer not to think of it. With our language it is hard to imagine another way to think but it is the way all other life and ancient people thought. If I'm right the only way to study this would be to devise experiments accordingly. Or we could try to program a computer to process information like animals and let it make the necessary observations or comb the relevant data bases.

Theory is stuck with Einstein in the 1920's. I don't know what the problem is.

But from my perspective it seems we might be at the limits of the tool (scientific metaphysics) that we use to understand reality. 100 years is a long time to be stuck but Egyptology can do it standing on their heads. ;)

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



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Intelligent Design and Human Origins 1778 MichaelG 29-Dec-17 18:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 205 PhiPIandI 29-Dec-17 20:51
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 74 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 159 jjeremybenthem 29-Dec-17 21:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 47 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 161 Aine 29-Dec-17 23:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 132 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 11:12
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 124 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:10
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 111 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:47
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 107 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 17:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 104 Aine 30-Dec-17 17:57
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 106 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 18:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 93 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 18:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 87 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 20:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 87 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 21:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 70 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 84 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 94 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 22 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 90 cladking 30-Dec-17 19:11
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 90 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 34 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 127 Reagent 30-Dec-17 02:49
Re: Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 34 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 115 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 92 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 66 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 32 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 25 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 105 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 86 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
Not necessarily Christian 73 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:26
Re: Not necessarily Christian 74 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 48 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 59 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 58 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 54 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 63 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 48 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 53 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 41 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 45 brett z 01-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 56 Aine 31-Dec-17 17:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 55 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 50 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 48 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:31
What about Multiverse ? 47 Vanya 01-Jan-18 12:19
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 35 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 21 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 17 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 20 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 90 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 69 brett z 30-Dec-17 23:04
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 65 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 08:47
, Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 62 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 09:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design 67 DUNE 31-Dec-17 10:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 57 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 53 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 64 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 61 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 63 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 57 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 59 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 45 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 46 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 59 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 53 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 43 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 42 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 43 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 49 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 42 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
driving force 45 brett z 01-Jan-18 18:57
Re: driving force 39 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
Re: driving force 43 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 52 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 53 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 47 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 40 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 34 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 41 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 55 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 41 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
entropy 42 brett z 03-Jan-18 15:45
Re: entropy 44 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 38 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
Re: entropy 42 brett z 03-Jan-18 21:15
Re: entropy 49 Aham 04-Jan-18 05:07
Re: entropy 43 brett z 04-Jan-18 05:52
Re: entropy 34 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: entropy 39 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:59
Re: entropy 44 brett z 05-Jan-18 17:13
Re: entropy 30 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 18:17
Re: entropy 35 brett z 05-Jan-18 18:21
Re: entropy 32 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 18:08
Re: entropy 38 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:13
snow crystals and life 44 brett z 05-Jan-18 20:52
Re: snow crystals and life 34 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 21:18
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Re: entropy 44 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 15:34
Information 45 drrayeye 05-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Information 34 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 18:36
Re: Information 27 cladking 06-Jan-18 19:35
Re: Information 37 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 20:14
Re: entropy 39 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:16
Re: entropy 42 Eddie Larry 05-Jan-18 20:32
Re: entropy 38 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:53
Re: entropy 32 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 20:47
Re: entropy 26 cladking 06-Jan-18 21:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 35 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 42 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 27 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 29 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 28 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 35 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 30 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 35 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 38 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 32 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 26 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 35 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 41 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 37 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 26 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 46 Thunderbird 06-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 36 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 24 Thunderbird 08-Jan-18 05:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 31 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:13
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 30 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 32 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 17:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 32 cladking 08-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 44 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 16:55
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 41 cladking 09-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 34 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 06:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 35 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 32 Audrey 10-Jan-18 18:03
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 28 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 18:57
Re: Masonic History 25 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Masonic History 27 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Masonic History 27 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:35
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 25 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 23 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:00
Re: The speed of Thought : ) 24 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 30 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:42
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 21 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:20
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 21 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 21 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 20 Origyptian 11-Jan-18 06:04
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 48 cladking 11-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 26 Audrey 11-Jan-18 02:26
Re: UBW/nt 27 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 31 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 42 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 32 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 39 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 37 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 44 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 49 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 38 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 37 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 52 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 52 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 48 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 75 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 44 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 37 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 31 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 76 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 37 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 43 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 36 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 34 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 46 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 36 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 36 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 47 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 43 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 44 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 43 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 54 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 48 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 51 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 45 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 39 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 35 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 34 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 44 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 33 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 43 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 47 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 36 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 36 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 39 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 42 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 35 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 43 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 40 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 44 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 54 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 38 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 39 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 47 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 47 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 42 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 38 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 35 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 31 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 47 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 38 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 31 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 35 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 32 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 37 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 45 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 37 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 29 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 38 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 31 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 51 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 39 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 34 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 31 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 32 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 51 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 52 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 58 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 44 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 44 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 39 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 40 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 44 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 41 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 40 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 42 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 52 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 45 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 76 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 68 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 51 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 61 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 66 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 70 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 68 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 57 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 51 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 48 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 51 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 67 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 46 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 49 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:21
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 36 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 56 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:24
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 34 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:34
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 36 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:54
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 59 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 05:44
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 46 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 50 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 41 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 44 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 38 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 73 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 54 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 39 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 37 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 43 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 43 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 59 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 51 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 39 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 36 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 29 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 34 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 31 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 34 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 37 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 30 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 39 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 31 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 31 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 37 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 28 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 24 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 22 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 33 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 45 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 38 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 36 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 55 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 42 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 58 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 44 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 39 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 33 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 26 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 25 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 39 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 41 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 36 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 36 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 36 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 42 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 37 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 46 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 36 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 40 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 58 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 46 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 41 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 37 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 44 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 51 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 42 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 54 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 48 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 35 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 56 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 18 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 69 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 63 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 68 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 47 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 49 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 56 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 58 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 40 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 51 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 43 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 42 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 43 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 45 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 34 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 47 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 39 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 47 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 44 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 46 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 39 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 31 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 36 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 35 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 29 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 34 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 36 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 33 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 34 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 29 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 31 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 33 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 25 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 31 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 29 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 24 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 33 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 18 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 26 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 25 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 30 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 81 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 28 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 18 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 34 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 37 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 25 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 23 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 25 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 32 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 17 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 42 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 28 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 46 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 30 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 33 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 48 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 44 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 28 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 53 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 41 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 45 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 46 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 43 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 36 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 40 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 39 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 41 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 35 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 78 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 24 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 33 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 34 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 32 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 38 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 37 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 32 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 31 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 29 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 25 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 29 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 28 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 49 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 20 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 34 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 33 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 38 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 35 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 47 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 30 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 37 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 43 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 32 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 33 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 38 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 24 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 30 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 20 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 31 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 24 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 25 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 24 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 33 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 43 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 29 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 22 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 32 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 24 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 25 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 31 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 31 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 28 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 40 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 36 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 70 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 36 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 31 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 27 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 56 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 38 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 40 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 54 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 52 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 68 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 61 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 49 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 55 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 61 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 47 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 54 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 42 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 47 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 44 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 74 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 44 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 50 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 31 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 54 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 54 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 64 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 50 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 54 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 76 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 71 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 22 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 60 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 49 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 37 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 39 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 20 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 29 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 40 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 19 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 20 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 20 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 19 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 45 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 28 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 25 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 26 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 31 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 18 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 13 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 12 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 18 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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