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Origyptian Wrote: to cladking
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ck:
> > "Science" as it is practiced or understood by
> > virtually all individuals is chiefly just
> another
> > belief system.
ori:
> That may be true, but at least it's a belief
> system that conjures up results that can be
> independently verified and not simply taken on
> faith. Science comes up with results that can be
> authenticated, e.g., as being safe and effective.

Sometimes.
Science said it was safe to do nuclear tests, safe to watch the bombs with silly glasses.

> For many of us, that's enough of a justification
> to keep scientific researc alive and well.

Or it's enough of a disaster to doubt science every step of the way.

> Well, one could argue that the first part --
> experiment makes no value judgement -- is one of
> the virtues of scientific research.
> The second part -- that it doesn't confer
> understanding -- is a subjective value judgement!
> I believe science is a necessary, but perhaps not
> sufficient, tool to increase our understanding of
> the world around us.

Is that the objective of science? To understand the world around us. If so, they're not close yet.

> > I no sooner want to be a victim of science than
> > the "Inquisition".

> Please clarify "victim" in this context. Sure some
> people exploit science and develop a swampy water
> balloon that they fool us into thinking is a
> tomato, but they also develop diagnostics,
> therapeutics, surgeries, transportation, energy,
> and this funny thing we are tapping on as we
> attempt to communicate with each other here at
> GHMB, etc. All of the latter arguably dwarfs the
> former, especially if you're an educated
> consumer.

We always love science when it makes our life easier.
Lobotomies had victims.
The Tuskegee experiment had victims.
Nuclear plant meltdowns had victims.

> > Life is individual and at least to some extent
> > human life is special or valuable and any
> belief
> > system that excludes this is dangerous. Any
> > belief system that destroys individuals is an
> > evil.

> I've often wondered about that. Ants and bees
> don't seem to complain that much, and they've been
> around for millions of years.

How would we know if an ant or bee complains?
I could say an individual bee complains when it stings you.

> In fact, one could argue that an excess of
> individualism can put the stability of
> civilization in jeopardy.

But if we were all the same, all thought the same, all felt the same, we'd be clones. Would you consider it an excess of individuality that spurred M. Curie? I would definitely say it was an excess that drove Isaac Newton. An excess is often called genius.

> Again, one could just as easily argue that
> individuals who do NOT understand science are at
> least as much of a threat. Many of them are dead
> from smoking cigarettes, denying warnings of
> fires, earthquakes, tornados, and floods, not
> understanding physics enough to appreciate the
> risk of going 100 mph in a 50 mph zone, not having
> that pain on the lower left abdomen looked at by a
> scientific professional...

Counterpoints:
Silicon Valley is built on top of faults, not beside faults, but on top of. Because there is no place else to build, they are out of room. It is thriving because the world loves computers. It would not have succeeded if the brain power had been scattered across the states. Concentrating it into one location intensified the competition, it put the brains in close proximity to share and grow. Do they worry about earthquakes? No. They have the 'it will never happen to me' syndrome.

> > Most people don't understand metaphysics so
> it's
> > impossible to understand the science which
> springs
> > from it.

> This may be true.

I'm still trying to figure out ck's definition of metaphysics. The way he uses the word is nothing like I've seen, and I've been deep into metaphysics, without drugs I might add.

> > What happens if we deny an education to people
> in the
> > inner city for three generations and don't hold
> > the officials responsible?

> Good question, but I don't see a strong link to
> science.

In a way there is a direct link. The cost of an education in the US is prohibitive. Partly because the sciences have become an elite field and evidently think their knowledge should be taught at the more expensive universities. How much more weightier is a resume with Harvard on it, vs. one with UBW (university behind Walmart)? This cost is why the US isn't cranking out scientists. And who's responsible for these costs? This cycle of poverty breeding poverty will not be broken until the US changes it's attitude about knowledge. The internet was designed to share knowledge, with no limitations. Education should be designed the same. As long as we think knowledge (science) is a personal property/asset, we will have those who wish to benefit financially from it, making the spread of it impossible. Yes, it is the officials in every capacity that control education which controls science.

I keep saying this...... we are an authoritarian society. Authorities cannot exist if they are not privy to knowledge that the general public is not.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 272 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 165 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 260 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 198 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 236 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 290 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 238 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 167 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 153 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 238 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 228 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 178 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 199 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 176 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
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Re: UBW/nt 185 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 232 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 180 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 184 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 215 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 221 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 190 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 307 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 229 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 202 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 176 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 181 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 184 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 172 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 161 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 153 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 152 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 171 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 153 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 200 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 279 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 176 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 200 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 193 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 178 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 167 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 176 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 187 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 224 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 175 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 201 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 207 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 187 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 188 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 265 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 200 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 218 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 277 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 178 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 194 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 198 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 206 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 196 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 193 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 203 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 150 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 207 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 185 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 148 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 150 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 158 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 195 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 253 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 182 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 228 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 170 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 143 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 177 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 248 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 275 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 200 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 202 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 254 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 238 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 205 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 255 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 235 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 242 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 259 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 260 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 196 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 164 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:54
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 170 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 190 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 154 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 170 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 166 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 179 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 209 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 198 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 193 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 168 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 184 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 139 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 164 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 167 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 184 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 205 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 191 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 233 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 242 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 249 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 213 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 244 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 167 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 170 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 154 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 237 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 208 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 187 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 169 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 203 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 205 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 182 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 215 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 216 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 164 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 291 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 273 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 239 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 266 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 185 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 255 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 241 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 152 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 204 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 190 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 225 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 194 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 225 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 187 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 231 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 240 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 199 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 186 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 191 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 187 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 223 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 226 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 243 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 170 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 202 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 185 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 181 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 147 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 182 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 213 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 275 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 201 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 182 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 185 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 203 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 126 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 195 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 195 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 149 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 147 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 195 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 130 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 199 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 211 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 228 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 208 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 199 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 227 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 255 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 195 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 206 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 188 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 226 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 206 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 279 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 206 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 221 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 217 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 158 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 182 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 186 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 189 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 208 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 190 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 176 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 177 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 186 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 176 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 165 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 181 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 204 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 158 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 159 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 174 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 201 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 196 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 256 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 185 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 193 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 243 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 184 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 193 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 266 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 129 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 161 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 201 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 165 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 187 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 193 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 197 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 247 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 188 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 200 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 150 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 222 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 180 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 197 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 215 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 237 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 180 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 192 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 186 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 259 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 197 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 236 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 221 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 210 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 205 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 211 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 304 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 180 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 263 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 213 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 206 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 169 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 270 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 187 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 297 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 159 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 222 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 178 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 249 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 146 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 230 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 168 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 238 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 190 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 246 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 198 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 208 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 138 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 174 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 211 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 200 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 234 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 260 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 185 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 215 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 188 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 190 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 192 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 277 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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