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Origyptian Wrote: to cladking
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ck:
> > "Science" as it is practiced or understood by
> > virtually all individuals is chiefly just
> another
> > belief system.
ori:
> That may be true, but at least it's a belief
> system that conjures up results that can be
> independently verified and not simply taken on
> faith. Science comes up with results that can be
> authenticated, e.g., as being safe and effective.

Sometimes.
Science said it was safe to do nuclear tests, safe to watch the bombs with silly glasses.

> For many of us, that's enough of a justification
> to keep scientific researc alive and well.

Or it's enough of a disaster to doubt science every step of the way.

> Well, one could argue that the first part --
> experiment makes no value judgement -- is one of
> the virtues of scientific research.
> The second part -- that it doesn't confer
> understanding -- is a subjective value judgement!
> I believe science is a necessary, but perhaps not
> sufficient, tool to increase our understanding of
> the world around us.

Is that the objective of science? To understand the world around us. If so, they're not close yet.

> > I no sooner want to be a victim of science than
> > the "Inquisition".

> Please clarify "victim" in this context. Sure some
> people exploit science and develop a swampy water
> balloon that they fool us into thinking is a
> tomato, but they also develop diagnostics,
> therapeutics, surgeries, transportation, energy,
> and this funny thing we are tapping on as we
> attempt to communicate with each other here at
> GHMB, etc. All of the latter arguably dwarfs the
> former, especially if you're an educated
> consumer.

We always love science when it makes our life easier.
Lobotomies had victims.
The Tuskegee experiment had victims.
Nuclear plant meltdowns had victims.

> > Life is individual and at least to some extent
> > human life is special or valuable and any
> belief
> > system that excludes this is dangerous. Any
> > belief system that destroys individuals is an
> > evil.

> I've often wondered about that. Ants and bees
> don't seem to complain that much, and they've been
> around for millions of years.

How would we know if an ant or bee complains?
I could say an individual bee complains when it stings you.

> In fact, one could argue that an excess of
> individualism can put the stability of
> civilization in jeopardy.

But if we were all the same, all thought the same, all felt the same, we'd be clones. Would you consider it an excess of individuality that spurred M. Curie? I would definitely say it was an excess that drove Isaac Newton. An excess is often called genius.

> Again, one could just as easily argue that
> individuals who do NOT understand science are at
> least as much of a threat. Many of them are dead
> from smoking cigarettes, denying warnings of
> fires, earthquakes, tornados, and floods, not
> understanding physics enough to appreciate the
> risk of going 100 mph in a 50 mph zone, not having
> that pain on the lower left abdomen looked at by a
> scientific professional...

Counterpoints:
Silicon Valley is built on top of faults, not beside faults, but on top of. Because there is no place else to build, they are out of room. It is thriving because the world loves computers. It would not have succeeded if the brain power had been scattered across the states. Concentrating it into one location intensified the competition, it put the brains in close proximity to share and grow. Do they worry about earthquakes? No. They have the 'it will never happen to me' syndrome.

> > Most people don't understand metaphysics so
> it's
> > impossible to understand the science which
> springs
> > from it.

> This may be true.

I'm still trying to figure out ck's definition of metaphysics. The way he uses the word is nothing like I've seen, and I've been deep into metaphysics, without drugs I might add.

> > What happens if we deny an education to people
> in the
> > inner city for three generations and don't hold
> > the officials responsible?

> Good question, but I don't see a strong link to
> science.

In a way there is a direct link. The cost of an education in the US is prohibitive. Partly because the sciences have become an elite field and evidently think their knowledge should be taught at the more expensive universities. How much more weightier is a resume with Harvard on it, vs. one with UBW (university behind Walmart)? This cost is why the US isn't cranking out scientists. And who's responsible for these costs? This cycle of poverty breeding poverty will not be broken until the US changes it's attitude about knowledge. The internet was designed to share knowledge, with no limitations. Education should be designed the same. As long as we think knowledge (science) is a personal property/asset, we will have those who wish to benefit financially from it, making the spread of it impossible. Yes, it is the officials in every capacity that control education which controls science.

I keep saying this...... we are an authoritarian society. Authorities cannot exist if they are not privy to knowledge that the general public is not.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 382 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 227 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 319 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 266 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 226 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 236 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 316 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 275 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 310 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 370 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 292 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 252 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 247 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 350 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 238 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 200 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 276 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 342 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 228 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 224 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 239 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 275 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 224 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 249 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 281 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
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Re: It's impossible 251 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 265 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 292 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 248 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 259 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 236 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 255 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
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Re: It's impossible 212 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 204 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
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Re: It's impossible 249 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 298 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 218 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 213 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 284 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
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But I lack the pictures! n/t 320 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
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Re: My interpretation 318 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 241 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 232 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 298 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 283 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 264 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 234 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 256 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 222 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 230 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 233 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 251 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 307 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 252 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 289 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 301 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 312 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 281 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 313 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 235 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 240 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 207 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 316 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 279 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 236 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 252 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 265 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 277 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 250 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 307 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 288 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 315 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 332 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 289 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 315 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 349 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 338 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 287 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 301 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 312 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 319 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 341 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 263 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 328 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 301 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 210 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 304 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 307 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 340 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 306 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 240 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 265 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 250 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 280 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 296 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 304 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 301 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 287 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 263 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 274 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 251 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 277 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 235 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 280 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 316 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 341 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 277 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 242 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 242 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 258 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 186 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 308 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 292 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 316 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 304 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 282 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 325 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 243 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 283 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 273 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 299 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 293 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 382 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 260 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 298 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 285 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 244 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 253 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 254 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 255 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 266 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 239 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 255 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 232 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 307 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 243 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 228 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 261 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 269 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 328 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 252 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 268 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 309 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 252 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 272 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 367 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 179 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 311 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 225 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 226 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 265 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 248 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 287 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 328 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 308 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 303 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 289 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 293 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 300 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 226 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 257 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 281 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 311 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 228 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 249 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 246 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 334 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 266 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 311 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 314 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 307 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 301 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 313 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 261 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 376 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 246 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 339 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 270 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 283 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 223 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 356 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 278 PB Bytes 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 388 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 235 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 274 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 323 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 314 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 243 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 343 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 266 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 328 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 279 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 289 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 207 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 231 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 282 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 253 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 296 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 331 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 249 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 285 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 272 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 269 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 244 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 375 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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