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Origyptian Wrote: to cladking
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ck:
> > "Science" as it is practiced or understood by
> > virtually all individuals is chiefly just
> another
> > belief system.
ori:
> That may be true, but at least it's a belief
> system that conjures up results that can be
> independently verified and not simply taken on
> faith. Science comes up with results that can be
> authenticated, e.g., as being safe and effective.

Sometimes.
Science said it was safe to do nuclear tests, safe to watch the bombs with silly glasses.

> For many of us, that's enough of a justification
> to keep scientific researc alive and well.

Or it's enough of a disaster to doubt science every step of the way.

> Well, one could argue that the first part --
> experiment makes no value judgement -- is one of
> the virtues of scientific research.
> The second part -- that it doesn't confer
> understanding -- is a subjective value judgement!
> I believe science is a necessary, but perhaps not
> sufficient, tool to increase our understanding of
> the world around us.

Is that the objective of science? To understand the world around us. If so, they're not close yet.

> > I no sooner want to be a victim of science than
> > the "Inquisition".

> Please clarify "victim" in this context. Sure some
> people exploit science and develop a swampy water
> balloon that they fool us into thinking is a
> tomato, but they also develop diagnostics,
> therapeutics, surgeries, transportation, energy,
> and this funny thing we are tapping on as we
> attempt to communicate with each other here at
> GHMB, etc. All of the latter arguably dwarfs the
> former, especially if you're an educated
> consumer.

We always love science when it makes our life easier.
Lobotomies had victims.
The Tuskegee experiment had victims.
Nuclear plant meltdowns had victims.

> > Life is individual and at least to some extent
> > human life is special or valuable and any
> belief
> > system that excludes this is dangerous. Any
> > belief system that destroys individuals is an
> > evil.

> I've often wondered about that. Ants and bees
> don't seem to complain that much, and they've been
> around for millions of years.

How would we know if an ant or bee complains?
I could say an individual bee complains when it stings you.

> In fact, one could argue that an excess of
> individualism can put the stability of
> civilization in jeopardy.

But if we were all the same, all thought the same, all felt the same, we'd be clones. Would you consider it an excess of individuality that spurred M. Curie? I would definitely say it was an excess that drove Isaac Newton. An excess is often called genius.

> Again, one could just as easily argue that
> individuals who do NOT understand science are at
> least as much of a threat. Many of them are dead
> from smoking cigarettes, denying warnings of
> fires, earthquakes, tornados, and floods, not
> understanding physics enough to appreciate the
> risk of going 100 mph in a 50 mph zone, not having
> that pain on the lower left abdomen looked at by a
> scientific professional...

Counterpoints:
Silicon Valley is built on top of faults, not beside faults, but on top of. Because there is no place else to build, they are out of room. It is thriving because the world loves computers. It would not have succeeded if the brain power had been scattered across the states. Concentrating it into one location intensified the competition, it put the brains in close proximity to share and grow. Do they worry about earthquakes? No. They have the 'it will never happen to me' syndrome.

> > Most people don't understand metaphysics so
> it's
> > impossible to understand the science which
> springs
> > from it.

> This may be true.

I'm still trying to figure out ck's definition of metaphysics. The way he uses the word is nothing like I've seen, and I've been deep into metaphysics, without drugs I might add.

> > What happens if we deny an education to people
> in the
> > inner city for three generations and don't hold
> > the officials responsible?

> Good question, but I don't see a strong link to
> science.

In a way there is a direct link. The cost of an education in the US is prohibitive. Partly because the sciences have become an elite field and evidently think their knowledge should be taught at the more expensive universities. How much more weightier is a resume with Harvard on it, vs. one with UBW (university behind Walmart)? This cost is why the US isn't cranking out scientists. And who's responsible for these costs? This cycle of poverty breeding poverty will not be broken until the US changes it's attitude about knowledge. The internet was designed to share knowledge, with no limitations. Education should be designed the same. As long as we think knowledge (science) is a personal property/asset, we will have those who wish to benefit financially from it, making the spread of it impossible. Yes, it is the officials in every capacity that control education which controls science.

I keep saying this...... we are an authoritarian society. Authorities cannot exist if they are not privy to knowledge that the general public is not.

He who knows all the answers has not been asked all the questions - Confucius

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 228 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 160 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 201 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 190 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 215 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 160 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 144 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 221 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 175 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 157 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 169 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 218 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 226 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 182 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 215 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 196 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 181 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 222 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 194 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 171 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 279 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 175 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 178 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 154 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 147 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 143 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 163 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 169 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 159 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 168 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 181 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 217 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 168 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 193 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 200 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 180 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 182 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 248 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 195 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 209 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 270 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 171 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 189 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 192 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 200 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 191 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 181 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 195 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 144 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 199 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 179 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 142 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 142 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 152 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 190 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 248 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 176 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 222 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 164 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 138 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 226 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 167 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 170 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 241 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 264 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 187 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 195 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 237 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 231 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 255 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 249 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 221 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 237 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 251 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 184 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 176 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 163 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 160 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 173 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 198 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 191 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 189 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 161 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 177 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 133 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 156 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 159 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 167 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 194 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 185 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 224 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 219 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 232 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 198 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 239 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 150 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 164 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 135 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 229 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 204 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 182 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 165 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 194 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 194 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 196 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 199 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 157 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 230 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 247 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 179 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 249 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 145 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 198 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 242 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 185 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 219 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 190 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 214 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 233 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 186 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 191 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 193 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 181 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 171 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 208 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 210 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 196 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 164 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 197 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 171 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 141 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 168 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 214 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 193 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 201 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 251 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 195 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 179 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 196 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 118 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 174 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 176 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 144 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 142 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 126 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 183 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 229 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 204 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 215 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 189 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 207 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 249 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 187 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 188 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 180 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 215 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 187 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 272 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 188 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 216 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 211 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 143 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 178 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 181 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 181 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 200 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 184 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 167 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 179 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 168 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 158 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 175 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 195 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 148 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 137 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 167 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 196 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 189 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 249 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 179 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 187 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 173 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 177 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 258 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 121 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 218 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 150 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 196 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 153 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 168 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 185 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 193 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 179 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 221 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 191 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 143 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 215 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 166 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 191 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 200 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 231 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 174 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 186 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 171 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 253 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 190 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 215 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 235 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 215 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 203 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 200 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 205 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 298 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 173 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 252 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 203 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 201 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 163 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 248 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 180 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 290 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 153 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 199 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 207 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 225 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 159 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 221 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 238 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 141 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 161 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 218 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 184 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 239 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 185 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 219 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 197 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 131 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 168 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 204 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 186 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 225 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 242 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 177 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 206 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 180 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 175 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 187 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 261 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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