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Phil,

First of all, as I said, in your latest rush to judgment you didn't even bother to check if the person I quoted was even the Ram Das you speak of here. You were very clearly stating that Ram Das 'might' have been experiencing an acid flashback if not real-time effects when he reported the vision of the dancing stars.

However, because you are commenting on an event that was public, and analogous in that regard to the one that I directly experienced at another time, at a time when I saw hundreds of people witness the same thing, the only way that your interpretation can make sense is if everybody experienced a collective hallucination, or were tripping, or were experiencing simultaneous flashbacks.

Otherwise, you have left out all of the other witnesses, in choosing the wrong Ram Das, and trying to explain how he ALONE, to the exclusion of everyone else, 'might' have seen the dancing stars at the time in question. Your explanation, in other words, is woefully inadequate and when you consider the public nature of these incidentS, to such an extent that it is ridiculous.

Now, here's your big chance, Phil. If you meant something else with your point here about the wrong RD, lay it out in clear detail. Tell us why you would only bring up one individual when it comes to at least two public events. How would that suffice, even supposing that you actually had the right Ram Das?

Origyptian: Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) knows of "no other phenomena" that could explain his vision of thousands of shooting stars moving in "curves and culicues"? Might his personal experience using LSD and psilocybin with Timothy Leary as they explored the "medicinal value" of hallucinogens through their Harvard Psilocybin Project possibly have had a recurring influence on his visual perceptions? He co-authored "The Psychedelic Experience" and also "LSD", two books about his experience; he was kicked out of Harvard in 1963"

You have the floor...

Finally, once again you accuse me of proselytizing, accusing me of being on an evangelical crusade, when in fact have only replied to you because I won't let innane remarks like this pass without comment on matters I find to be a serious interest.

So, let's take it from the top, Phil...

In your first post to me, on this subthread, you wrote this: [grahamhancock.com]

"Honestly, I'm not sure what's being referred to as the miracle here.
How can we be sure it's not an artifact of the camera's light sensor?"

In my follow-up to you I took care to affirm your position, which I agree with. It was the first thing I wrote.

Not saying that it isn't a camera issue. However, the eye-witness testimony speaks to a very different outcome AND, in the time that I've begun looking into this, I am yet to have anyone show that the non-Fatima videos are based on camera-related issues. It seems to me that it would be very easy for doubters to replicate the results with their own cameras or cellphones, if that is what is really going on...


Then, after that one, you wrote this

"While I saw a lot of people looking at the Sun, I didnt' see many of them cheering at it, and what would that mean? They could be Sun worshippers glad to see the Sun rise. Maybe it was a blimp advertising something popular that the people were responding to. I saw 3 different videos and I saw nothing that clearly showed the Sun behaving abnormally. Sorry."

[grahamhancock.com]

In the follow up, I didn't even mention that the crowd was anything but 'sun worshipers', although I might have if I was "proselytizing." Instead, I wrote this, and here I cite my entire post:

Date: January 03, 2018 11:25PM
No need to apologize, of course!

[grahamhancock.com]

My reply, in other words, was entirely civil, polite, and above all reasonable in that I showed respect to your point of view.

[grahamhancock.com]

From there you got increasingly pissy, Phil.

Origyptian "Pulsing can simply be a finger passing over the light sensor on the camera."

"What is it about any of those videos that seem even remotely authentic to you?"

PB - That pulsing would be one of them. I'm not saying that it cant be done, only that it hasn't to my knowledge and should have been by now.

Cleary, Phil, once again, I stated that I was not insisting I was looking at a miracle, and you became increasingly careless. You clearly knew nothing about Fatima or Church policy, you brought up Guadeloupe, which is irrelevant to these events which are public. Your summary judgement of the salient issues was glib and superficial. Then, you got increasingly annoyed that I was calling you out on your replies. Finally, I tried to work with you. Sent you a PM. Rather than reply, you took a run at me on the board.

Now you try to prosecute me on CoC issues when all I did was send you a copy of what I sent you.

Bad day at the office, Phil. As I said, I didn't bother reading that super long post because, by then, your replies had demonstrated to me that you are too emotionally invested in your assumptions and frankly, your treatment of what I consider to be a serious subject is beneath any serious attention. I've only written this much here in order to make clear why I can't be bothered this exchange. Your treatment of the Ram Das issue was the last straw, and indicative of your approach in general.

So, to summarize, maybe in the end all of these solar anomalies, miracles or scams will be exposed to the satisfaction of all - as solar anomalies, miracles or scams.

As I said at the outset, Phil, I'm open to all possibilities. Try reading that a few times, it might actually sink in.

On that note I'll close by returning to the point I made prior to this exchange.

Examples like this are of keen interest to me because they raise the possibility - the possibility, everyone! -that supernatural events are occurring in modern times. That tends to legitimize the possibility that they happened in ancient times. It is all so very easy to apply denialist thinking to the arcane past. Much harder, imo, when the potential evidence is happening in the here and now.

We have strayed from the main purpose of Michael's opening post. On with the discussion about ID and evolution.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 322 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 18:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 374 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 20:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 355 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 21:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 286 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 323 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 404 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 298 cladking 30-Dec-17 19:11
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 342 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 295 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 393 Reagent 30-Dec-17 02:49
Re: Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 284 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 405 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 338 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 341 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 318 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 231 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 419 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 315 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
Not necessarily Christian 329 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:26
Re: Not necessarily Christian 325 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 271 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 306 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 298 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 278 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 279 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:53
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 303 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 220 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 359 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 312 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 301 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 307 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 271 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 276 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 313 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 321 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
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Re: driving force 279 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 250 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 322 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 354 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 376 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 313 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
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Re: entropy 296 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 284 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 271 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 288 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 268 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 250 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 359 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 285 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 245 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 241 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 336 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 204 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 269 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 336 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 238 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 267 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 259 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 218 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 233 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 269 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 217 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 244 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 275 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 244 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 250 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 355 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 253 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 300 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 368 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 235 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 272 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 244 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 259 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 284 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 243 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 252 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 224 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 248 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 230 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 197 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 198 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 233 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 246 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 307 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 231 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 280 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 213 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 207 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 277 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
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Re: Bioplasma 224 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 315 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 296 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 321 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 251 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 246 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 303 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 279 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 325 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 324 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 314 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 296 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 314 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 315 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 277 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 312 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 328 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
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Medjugorje - May 2010 225 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 262 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 255 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 232 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 189 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 213 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 209 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 229 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 228 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 226 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 290 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 266 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 250 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 222 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 244 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 214 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 218 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 227 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 241 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 300 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 238 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 280 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 293 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 306 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 266 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 303 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 229 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 228 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 199 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 302 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 273 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 230 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 240 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 256 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 268 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 306 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 326 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 308 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 236 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 344 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 332 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 281 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 295 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 301 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 312 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 333 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 246 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 308 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 289 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 295 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 277 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 270 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 333 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 254 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 234 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 256 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 253 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 241 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 270 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 293 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 277 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 241 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 268 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 243 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 256 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 310 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 334 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 265 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 242 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 235 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 189 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 279 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 235 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 211 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 178 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 265 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 300 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 284 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 298 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 293 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 254 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 254 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 277 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 318 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 236 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 272 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 263 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 288 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 277 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 376 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 252 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 280 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 280 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 230 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 246 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 238 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 250 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 257 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 231 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 225 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 225 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 295 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 220 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 222 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 255 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 263 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 318 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 243 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 256 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 301 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 238 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 264 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 345 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 173 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 302 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 219 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 246 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 210 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 282 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 316 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 303 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 290 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 283 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 283 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 244 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 207 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 288 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 221 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 254 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 251 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 273 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 295 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 222 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 236 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 240 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 328 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 259 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 303 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 301 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 305 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 249 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 288 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 368 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 239 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 327 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 264 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 277 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 213 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 346 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 272 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 376 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 228 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 264 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 265 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 310 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 228 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 299 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 300 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 321 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 224 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 322 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 254 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 312 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 267 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 279 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 219 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 247 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 289 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 320 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 233 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 272 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 265 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 262 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 239 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 354 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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