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Phil,

First of all, as I said, in your latest rush to judgment you didn't even bother to check if the person I quoted was even the Ram Das you speak of here. You were very clearly stating that Ram Das 'might' have been experiencing an acid flashback if not real-time effects when he reported the vision of the dancing stars.

However, because you are commenting on an event that was public, and analogous in that regard to the one that I directly experienced at another time, at a time when I saw hundreds of people witness the same thing, the only way that your interpretation can make sense is if everybody experienced a collective hallucination, or were tripping, or were experiencing simultaneous flashbacks.

Otherwise, you have left out all of the other witnesses, in choosing the wrong Ram Das, and trying to explain how he ALONE, to the exclusion of everyone else, 'might' have seen the dancing stars at the time in question. Your explanation, in other words, is woefully inadequate and when you consider the public nature of these incidentS, to such an extent that it is ridiculous.

Now, here's your big chance, Phil. If you meant something else with your point here about the wrong RD, lay it out in clear detail. Tell us why you would only bring up one individual when it comes to at least two public events. How would that suffice, even supposing that you actually had the right Ram Das?

Origyptian: Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) knows of "no other phenomena" that could explain his vision of thousands of shooting stars moving in "curves and culicues"? Might his personal experience using LSD and psilocybin with Timothy Leary as they explored the "medicinal value" of hallucinogens through their Harvard Psilocybin Project possibly have had a recurring influence on his visual perceptions? He co-authored "The Psychedelic Experience" and also "LSD", two books about his experience; he was kicked out of Harvard in 1963"

You have the floor...

Finally, once again you accuse me of proselytizing, accusing me of being on an evangelical crusade, when in fact have only replied to you because I won't let innane remarks like this pass without comment on matters I find to be a serious interest.

So, let's take it from the top, Phil...

In your first post to me, on this subthread, you wrote this: [grahamhancock.com]

"Honestly, I'm not sure what's being referred to as the miracle here.
How can we be sure it's not an artifact of the camera's light sensor?"

In my follow-up to you I took care to affirm your position, which I agree with. It was the first thing I wrote.

Not saying that it isn't a camera issue. However, the eye-witness testimony speaks to a very different outcome AND, in the time that I've begun looking into this, I am yet to have anyone show that the non-Fatima videos are based on camera-related issues. It seems to me that it would be very easy for doubters to replicate the results with their own cameras or cellphones, if that is what is really going on...


Then, after that one, you wrote this

"While I saw a lot of people looking at the Sun, I didnt' see many of them cheering at it, and what would that mean? They could be Sun worshippers glad to see the Sun rise. Maybe it was a blimp advertising something popular that the people were responding to. I saw 3 different videos and I saw nothing that clearly showed the Sun behaving abnormally. Sorry."

[grahamhancock.com]

In the follow up, I didn't even mention that the crowd was anything but 'sun worshipers', although I might have if I was "proselytizing." Instead, I wrote this, and here I cite my entire post:

Date: January 03, 2018 11:25PM
No need to apologize, of course!

[grahamhancock.com]

My reply, in other words, was entirely civil, polite, and above all reasonable in that I showed respect to your point of view.

[grahamhancock.com]

From there you got increasingly pissy, Phil.

Origyptian "Pulsing can simply be a finger passing over the light sensor on the camera."

"What is it about any of those videos that seem even remotely authentic to you?"

PB - That pulsing would be one of them. I'm not saying that it cant be done, only that it hasn't to my knowledge and should have been by now.

Cleary, Phil, once again, I stated that I was not insisting I was looking at a miracle, and you became increasingly careless. You clearly knew nothing about Fatima or Church policy, you brought up Guadeloupe, which is irrelevant to these events which are public. Your summary judgement of the salient issues was glib and superficial. Then, you got increasingly annoyed that I was calling you out on your replies. Finally, I tried to work with you. Sent you a PM. Rather than reply, you took a run at me on the board.

Now you try to prosecute me on CoC issues when all I did was send you a copy of what I sent you.

Bad day at the office, Phil. As I said, I didn't bother reading that super long post because, by then, your replies had demonstrated to me that you are too emotionally invested in your assumptions and frankly, your treatment of what I consider to be a serious subject is beneath any serious attention. I've only written this much here in order to make clear why I can't be bothered this exchange. Your treatment of the Ram Das issue was the last straw, and indicative of your approach in general.

So, to summarize, maybe in the end all of these solar anomalies, miracles or scams will be exposed to the satisfaction of all - as solar anomalies, miracles or scams.

As I said at the outset, Phil, I'm open to all possibilities. Try reading that a few times, it might actually sink in.

On that note I'll close by returning to the point I made prior to this exchange.

Examples like this are of keen interest to me because they raise the possibility - the possibility, everyone! -that supernatural events are occurring in modern times. That tends to legitimize the possibility that they happened in ancient times. It is all so very easy to apply denialist thinking to the arcane past. Much harder, imo, when the potential evidence is happening in the here and now.

We have strayed from the main purpose of Michael's opening post. On with the discussion about ID and evolution.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 349 rodz111 21-Jan-18 15:52
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 318 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 446 Aine 29-Dec-17 23:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 331 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 11:12
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 374 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:10
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 342 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:47
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 296 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 17:41
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 331 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 18:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 298 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 18:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 332 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 20:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 327 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 21:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 259 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 293 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 371 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 239 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 263 cladking 30-Dec-17 19:11
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 313 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 367 Reagent 30-Dec-17 02:49
Re: Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 260 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 361 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 300 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 316 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 280 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 392 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 286 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
Not necessarily Christian 293 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:26
Re: Not necessarily Christian 286 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 243 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 278 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 265 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 253 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 229 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 214 brett z 01-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 Aine 31-Dec-17 17:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 278 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 255 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:31
What about Multiverse ? 286 Vanya 01-Jan-18 12:19
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 272 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 261 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 188 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 225 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 brett z 30-Dec-17 23:04
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 296 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 08:47
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design 256 DUNE 31-Dec-17 10:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 261 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 266 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 238 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 238 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 296 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
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Re: driving force 241 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
Re: driving force 237 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 277 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 316 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 332 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 282 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 275 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
entropy 240 brett z 03-Jan-18 15:45
Re: entropy 262 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 237 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
Re: entropy 292 brett z 03-Jan-18 21:15
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Re: entropy 226 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: entropy 216 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:59
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Re: entropy 295 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:53
Re: entropy 243 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 20:47
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 259 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 193 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 180 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 267 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 279 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 205 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 217 Thunderbird 08-Jan-18 05:59
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 263 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 245 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 18:57
Re: Masonic History 226 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Masonic History 229 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Masonic History 239 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:35
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Re: UBW/nt 223 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 259 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 201 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 216 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 266 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 216 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 332 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 258 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 224 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 216 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 201 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 200 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 175 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 216 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 211 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 197 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 207 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 246 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 195 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 222 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 229 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 220 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 207 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 301 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 225 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 273 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 327 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 211 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 242 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 220 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 231 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 247 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 216 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 228 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 182 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 227 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 206 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 173 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 177 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 195 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 216 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 276 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 205 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 254 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 192 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 178 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 198 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 269 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 297 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 230 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 223 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 277 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 258 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 259 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 293 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 317 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 297 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 290 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 258 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 281 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 299 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:54
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 02:37
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 228 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 268 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 293 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 215 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 256 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
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Medjugorje - May 2010 202 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 241 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 231 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 206 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 166 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 178 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 183 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 199 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 200 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 202 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 247 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 221 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 227 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 195 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 217 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 179 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 195 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 192 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 221 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 249 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 215 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 254 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 267 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 273 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 236 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 268 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 197 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 201 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 176 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 275 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 236 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 208 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 207 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 224 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 248 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 211 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 279 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 284 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 295 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 282 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 198 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 323 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 282 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 293 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 209 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 277 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 176 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 230 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 250 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 231 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 268 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 235 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 213 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 247 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 267 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 240 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 225 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 186 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 230 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 202 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 210 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 243 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 247 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 288 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 308 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 213 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 205 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 149 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 243 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 214 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 197 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 182 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 153 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 273 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 257 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 256 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 263 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 229 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 249 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 286 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 215 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 244 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 222 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 259 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 249 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 324 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 228 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 255 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 256 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 196 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 210 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 207 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 213 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 238 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 211 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 198 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 204 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 209 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 200 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 197 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 204 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 240 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 180 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 203 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 194 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 225 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 234 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 285 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 205 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 215 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 267 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 208 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 215 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 309 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 150 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 263 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 195 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 224 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 186 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 216 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 220 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 224 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 271 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 275 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 258 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 248 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 250 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 222 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 173 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 244 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 200 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 223 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 230 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 240 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 261 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 199 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 212 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 209 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 295 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 228 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 258 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 267 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 259 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 265 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 247 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 229 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 250 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 334 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 203 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 297 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 235 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 230 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 189 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 323 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 224 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 331 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 182 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 263 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 270 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 294 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 181 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 263 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 189 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 278 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 212 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 282 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 239 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 161 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 194 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 246 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 263 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 295 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 207 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 236 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 233 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 225 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 216 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 318 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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