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Phil,

First of all, as I said, in your latest rush to judgment you didn't even bother to check if the person I quoted was even the Ram Das you speak of here. You were very clearly stating that Ram Das 'might' have been experiencing an acid flashback if not real-time effects when he reported the vision of the dancing stars.

However, because you are commenting on an event that was public, and analogous in that regard to the one that I directly experienced at another time, at a time when I saw hundreds of people witness the same thing, the only way that your interpretation can make sense is if everybody experienced a collective hallucination, or were tripping, or were experiencing simultaneous flashbacks.

Otherwise, you have left out all of the other witnesses, in choosing the wrong Ram Das, and trying to explain how he ALONE, to the exclusion of everyone else, 'might' have seen the dancing stars at the time in question. Your explanation, in other words, is woefully inadequate and when you consider the public nature of these incidentS, to such an extent that it is ridiculous.

Now, here's your big chance, Phil. If you meant something else with your point here about the wrong RD, lay it out in clear detail. Tell us why you would only bring up one individual when it comes to at least two public events. How would that suffice, even supposing that you actually had the right Ram Das?

Origyptian: Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) knows of "no other phenomena" that could explain his vision of thousands of shooting stars moving in "curves and culicues"? Might his personal experience using LSD and psilocybin with Timothy Leary as they explored the "medicinal value" of hallucinogens through their Harvard Psilocybin Project possibly have had a recurring influence on his visual perceptions? He co-authored "The Psychedelic Experience" and also "LSD", two books about his experience; he was kicked out of Harvard in 1963"

You have the floor...

Finally, once again you accuse me of proselytizing, accusing me of being on an evangelical crusade, when in fact have only replied to you because I won't let innane remarks like this pass without comment on matters I find to be a serious interest.

So, let's take it from the top, Phil...

In your first post to me, on this subthread, you wrote this: [grahamhancock.com]

"Honestly, I'm not sure what's being referred to as the miracle here.
How can we be sure it's not an artifact of the camera's light sensor?"

In my follow-up to you I took care to affirm your position, which I agree with. It was the first thing I wrote.

Not saying that it isn't a camera issue. However, the eye-witness testimony speaks to a very different outcome AND, in the time that I've begun looking into this, I am yet to have anyone show that the non-Fatima videos are based on camera-related issues. It seems to me that it would be very easy for doubters to replicate the results with their own cameras or cellphones, if that is what is really going on...


Then, after that one, you wrote this

"While I saw a lot of people looking at the Sun, I didnt' see many of them cheering at it, and what would that mean? They could be Sun worshippers glad to see the Sun rise. Maybe it was a blimp advertising something popular that the people were responding to. I saw 3 different videos and I saw nothing that clearly showed the Sun behaving abnormally. Sorry."

[grahamhancock.com]

In the follow up, I didn't even mention that the crowd was anything but 'sun worshipers', although I might have if I was "proselytizing." Instead, I wrote this, and here I cite my entire post:

Date: January 03, 2018 11:25PM
No need to apologize, of course!

[grahamhancock.com]

My reply, in other words, was entirely civil, polite, and above all reasonable in that I showed respect to your point of view.

[grahamhancock.com]

From there you got increasingly pissy, Phil.

Origyptian "Pulsing can simply be a finger passing over the light sensor on the camera."

"What is it about any of those videos that seem even remotely authentic to you?"

PB - That pulsing would be one of them. I'm not saying that it cant be done, only that it hasn't to my knowledge and should have been by now.

Cleary, Phil, once again, I stated that I was not insisting I was looking at a miracle, and you became increasingly careless. You clearly knew nothing about Fatima or Church policy, you brought up Guadeloupe, which is irrelevant to these events which are public. Your summary judgement of the salient issues was glib and superficial. Then, you got increasingly annoyed that I was calling you out on your replies. Finally, I tried to work with you. Sent you a PM. Rather than reply, you took a run at me on the board.

Now you try to prosecute me on CoC issues when all I did was send you a copy of what I sent you.

Bad day at the office, Phil. As I said, I didn't bother reading that super long post because, by then, your replies had demonstrated to me that you are too emotionally invested in your assumptions and frankly, your treatment of what I consider to be a serious subject is beneath any serious attention. I've only written this much here in order to make clear why I can't be bothered this exchange. Your treatment of the Ram Das issue was the last straw, and indicative of your approach in general.

So, to summarize, maybe in the end all of these solar anomalies, miracles or scams will be exposed to the satisfaction of all - as solar anomalies, miracles or scams.

As I said at the outset, Phil, I'm open to all possibilities. Try reading that a few times, it might actually sink in.

On that note I'll close by returning to the point I made prior to this exchange.

Examples like this are of keen interest to me because they raise the possibility - the possibility, everyone! -that supernatural events are occurring in modern times. That tends to legitimize the possibility that they happened in ancient times. It is all so very easy to apply denialist thinking to the arcane past. Much harder, imo, when the potential evidence is happening in the here and now.

We have strayed from the main purpose of Michael's opening post. On with the discussion about ID and evolution.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 414 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 348 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 299 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 414 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 344 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 324 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 238 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 426 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 312 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 330 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 368 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 292 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 251 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 247 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 345 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 342 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 226 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 224 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 237 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
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Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 277 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 250 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 264 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 290 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 248 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
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Laugh or cry? 301 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
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About time for you to learn about atheism 256 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
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But I lack the pictures! n/t 320 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 282 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
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Medjugorje - May 2010 230 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:25
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 261 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 239 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 194 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 220 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 213 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 239 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 240 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 232 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 298 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 282 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 261 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 234 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 256 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 222 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 230 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 232 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 250 PB Bytes 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 307 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 252 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 287 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 300 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 312 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 280 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 312 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 234 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 240 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 207 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 314 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 279 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 236 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 251 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 265 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 277 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 250 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 284 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 284 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 306 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 313 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 331 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 288 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 269 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 276 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 315 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 348 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 336 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 287 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 300 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 312 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 318 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 341 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 263 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 328 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 301 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 282 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 304 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 282 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 306 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 340 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 304 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 240 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 265 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 263 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 280 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 296 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 303 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 299 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 249 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 277 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 234 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 245 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 280 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 316 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 341 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 276 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 282 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 240 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 258 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 199 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 242 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 258 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 186 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 308 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 292 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 314 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 304 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 282 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 324 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 242 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 283 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 273 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 299 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 293 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 382 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 259 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 298 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 285 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 243 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 252 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 252 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 255 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 265 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 238 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 232 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 240 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 306 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 229 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 228 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 261 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 269 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 326 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 252 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 267 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 309 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 252 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 272 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 366 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 178 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 310 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 225 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 226 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 265 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 248 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 287 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 328 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 308 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 302 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 289 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 293 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 226 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 299 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 226 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 257 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 281 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 311 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 228 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 248 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 245 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 334 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 265 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 310 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 314 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 307 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 299 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 313 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 261 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 375 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 246 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 337 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 270 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 282 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 223 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 356 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 278 PB Bytes 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 388 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 235 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 273 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 323 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 312 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 242 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 341 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 265 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 328 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 278 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 289 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 207 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 231 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 282 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 253 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 294 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 329 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 246 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 283 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 272 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 268 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 244 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 375 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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