First of all, as I said, in your latest rush to judgment you didn't even bother to check if the person I quoted was even the Ram Das you speak of here. You were very clearly stating that Ram Das 'might' have been experiencing an acid flashback if not real-time effects when he reported the vision of the dancing stars.
However, because you are commenting on an event that was public, and analogous in that regard to the one that I directly experienced at another time, at a time when I saw hundreds of people witness the same thing, the only way that your interpretation can make sense is if everybody experienced a collective hallucination, or were tripping, or were experiencing simultaneous flashbacks.
Otherwise, you have left out all of the other witnesses, in choosing the wrong Ram Das, and trying to explain how he ALONE, to the exclusion of everyone else, 'might' have seen the dancing stars at the time in question. Your explanation, in other words, is woefully inadequate and when you consider the public nature of these incidentS, to such an extent that it is ridiculous.
Now, here's your big chance, Phil. If you meant something else with your point here about the wrong RD, lay it out in clear detail. Tell us why you would only bring up one individual when it comes to at least two public events. How would that suffice, even supposing that you actually had the right Ram Das?
Origyptian: Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) knows of "no other phenomena" that could explain his vision of thousands of shooting stars moving in "curves and culicues"? Might his personal experience using LSD and psilocybin with Timothy Leary as they explored the "medicinal value" of hallucinogens through their Harvard Psilocybin Project possibly have had a recurring influence on his visual perceptions? He co-authored "The Psychedelic Experience" and also "LSD", two books about his experience; he was kicked out of Harvard in 1963"
You have the floor...
Finally, once again you accuse me of proselytizing, accusing me of being on an evangelical crusade, when in fact have only replied to you because I won't let innane remarks like this pass without comment on matters I find to be a serious interest.
So, let's take it from the top, Phil...
In your first post to me, on this subthread, you wrote this: [grahamhancock.com]
"Honestly, I'm not sure what's being referred to as the miracle here.
How can we be sure it's not an artifact of the camera's light sensor?"
In my follow-up to you I took care to affirm your position, which I agree with. It was the first thing I wrote.
Not saying that it isn't a camera issue. However, the eye-witness testimony speaks to a very different outcome AND, in the time that I've begun looking into this, I am yet to have anyone show that the non-Fatima videos are based on camera-related issues. It seems to me that it would be very easy for doubters to replicate the results with their own cameras or cellphones, if that is what is really going on...
Then, after that one, you wrote this
"While I saw a lot of people looking at the Sun, I didnt' see many of them cheering at it, and what would that mean? They could be Sun worshippers glad to see the Sun rise. Maybe it was a blimp advertising something popular that the people were responding to. I saw 3 different videos and I saw nothing that clearly showed the Sun behaving abnormally. Sorry."
In the follow up, I didn't even mention that the crowd was anything but 'sun worshipers', although I might have if I was "proselytizing." Instead, I wrote this, and here I cite my entire post:
Date: January 03, 2018 11:25PM
No need to apologize, of course!
My reply, in other words, was entirely civil, polite, and above all reasonable in that I showed respect to your point of view.
From there you got increasingly pissy, Phil.
Origyptian "Pulsing can simply be a finger passing over the light sensor on the camera."
"What is it about any of those videos that seem even remotely authentic to you?"
PB - That pulsing would be one of them. I'm not saying that it cant be done, only that it hasn't to my knowledge and should have been by now.
Cleary, Phil, once again, I stated that I was not insisting I was looking at a miracle, and you became increasingly careless. You clearly knew nothing about Fatima or Church policy, you brought up Guadeloupe, which is irrelevant to these events which are public. Your summary judgement of the salient issues was glib and superficial. Then, you got increasingly annoyed that I was calling you out on your replies. Finally, I tried to work with you. Sent you a PM. Rather than reply, you took a run at me on the board.
Now you try to prosecute me on CoC issues when all I did was send you a copy of what I sent you.
Bad day at the office, Phil. As I said, I didn't bother reading that super long post because, by then, your replies had demonstrated to me that you are too emotionally invested in your assumptions and frankly, your treatment of what I consider to be a serious subject is beneath any serious attention. I've only written this much here in order to make clear why I can't be bothered this exchange. Your treatment of the Ram Das issue was the last straw, and indicative of your approach in general.
So, to summarize, maybe in the end all of these solar anomalies, miracles or scams will be exposed to the satisfaction of all - as solar anomalies, miracles or scams.
As I said at the outset, Phil, I'm open to all possibilities. Try reading that a few times, it might actually sink in.
On that note I'll close by returning to the point I made prior to this exchange.
Examples like this are of keen interest to me because they raise the possibility - the possibility, everyone! -that supernatural events are occurring in modern times. That tends to legitimize the possibility that they happened in ancient times. It is all so very easy to apply denialist thinking to the arcane past. Much harder, imo, when the potential evidence is happening in the here and now.
We have strayed from the main purpose of Michael's opening post. On with the discussion about ID and evolution.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09-Jan-18 03:15 by Poster Boy.