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Susan Doris Wrote:
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> You are anthropomorphising, aren’t you?

I would never demean animals in such a way and this goes double for cardinals. ;)

No, they could have been eating sunflower seeds instead which is one of their favorite foods but were eating the hostas instead. They do this every January for the brief few years I've been observing this specific behavior.

I used the word "desire" only because it would be impossible fort many species to get them from the plant and they'd have to wait until they fell. Some species wouldn't eat them at all or they might even be toxic to some. Cardinals need the agility and desire in order to eat them. One without the other is no meal.

> The
> emotions we feel have language to label them, but
> they are still basic survival traits. Those
> members of a species who instinctively use the
> skills needed to feed, survive. Somehow the
> original members of the species called cardinals
> evolved to eat the seeds they do.
> Whichever way you look at it, it is absolutely
> wonderful.

I don't find their ability to get these seeds or stay alive especially surprising. If animals were so fragile that they'd starve without sunflower seeds most would just be somewhere else rather than dead. I don't even necessarily find the cooperation between mates especially surprising. Especially with cardinals it's quite common for one to feed as the mate stands watch.

But I was very impressed by the ability of the male to help in the meal. This was far higher level thinking than people usually consider birds capable of. Even if it didn't require communication, as I suspect it did, the male's actions showed more intelligence than most humans do much of the time. Of course I don't believe in cardinal intelligence any more than I believe in human intelligence so I should say that the bird exhibited more cleverness than many humans can. It saw the problem and the solution but it obviously did not solve it the same way humans would have if they were winged and red. It showed a real understanding of physics. Some people never do. Even physicists can't invariably use their knowledge and understanding to solve each problem. Yet biologists would have us believe this behavior and all animal behavior is just "instinctive".

When I was young the common wisdom was that animals aren't even conscious. Many biologists believed people weren't even really people until 18 months. Doctors routinely performed surgeries on babies without anesthesia. They still do in some cases I believe. It was believed animals had no intelligence and most people didn't consider humans to be animals at all or that we are more evolved animals, or god-like etc.

Nature is certainly wonderful but the natural world is merely a tiny and insignificant subset of reality itself. We don't understand even the most basic things about reality so how could we possibly understand something like life or change in species. How can any theory except mine explain the actions of these birds?

Simply stated all animals and ancient people are scientists but modern humans are confused by our languages. Our understanding (as shallow as it is) comes from models we build from experiment. We don't notice we don't understand each other and that we live our beliefs.

But I'm all ears if someone has another explanation of this behavior.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 227 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
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Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 233 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 253 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 304 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 267 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 329 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 309 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 266 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 281 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 282 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 289 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 304 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 216 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 283 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 184 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 279 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 258 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 274 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 242 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 228 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 256 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 253 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 274 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 253 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 244 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 214 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 233 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 197 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 256 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 250 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 294 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 315 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 228 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 228 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 212 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 231 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 161 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 213 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 191 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 231 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 163 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 245 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 280 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 267 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 266 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 273 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 240 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 258 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 294 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 222 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 250 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 229 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 266 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 260 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 343 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 233 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 262 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 262 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 207 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 222 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 216 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 218 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 244 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 219 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 213 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 210 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 220 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 209 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 206 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 212 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 189 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 212 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 200 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 234 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 246 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 290 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 217 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 222 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 275 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 214 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 319 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 157 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 269 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 200 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 233 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 193 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 222 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 225 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 239 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 290 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 283 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 257 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 231 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 183 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 208 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 233 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 236 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 248 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 269 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 206 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 218 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 220 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 303 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 238 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 266 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 282 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 348 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 218 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 304 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 243 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 249 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 195 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 330 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 230 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 339 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 193 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 251 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 287 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 213 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 279 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 301 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 196 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 270 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 194 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 294 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 223 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 289 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 254 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 250 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 167 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 255 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 235 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 269 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 301 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 213 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 245 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 249 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 234 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 223 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 326 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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