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Susan Doris Wrote:
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> You are anthropomorphising, aren’t you?

I would never demean animals in such a way and this goes double for cardinals. ;)

No, they could have been eating sunflower seeds instead which is one of their favorite foods but were eating the hostas instead. They do this every January for the brief few years I've been observing this specific behavior.

I used the word "desire" only because it would be impossible fort many species to get them from the plant and they'd have to wait until they fell. Some species wouldn't eat them at all or they might even be toxic to some. Cardinals need the agility and desire in order to eat them. One without the other is no meal.

> The
> emotions we feel have language to label them, but
> they are still basic survival traits. Those
> members of a species who instinctively use the
> skills needed to feed, survive. Somehow the
> original members of the species called cardinals
> evolved to eat the seeds they do.
> Whichever way you look at it, it is absolutely
> wonderful.

I don't find their ability to get these seeds or stay alive especially surprising. If animals were so fragile that they'd starve without sunflower seeds most would just be somewhere else rather than dead. I don't even necessarily find the cooperation between mates especially surprising. Especially with cardinals it's quite common for one to feed as the mate stands watch.

But I was very impressed by the ability of the male to help in the meal. This was far higher level thinking than people usually consider birds capable of. Even if it didn't require communication, as I suspect it did, the male's actions showed more intelligence than most humans do much of the time. Of course I don't believe in cardinal intelligence any more than I believe in human intelligence so I should say that the bird exhibited more cleverness than many humans can. It saw the problem and the solution but it obviously did not solve it the same way humans would have if they were winged and red. It showed a real understanding of physics. Some people never do. Even physicists can't invariably use their knowledge and understanding to solve each problem. Yet biologists would have us believe this behavior and all animal behavior is just "instinctive".

When I was young the common wisdom was that animals aren't even conscious. Many biologists believed people weren't even really people until 18 months. Doctors routinely performed surgeries on babies without anesthesia. They still do in some cases I believe. It was believed animals had no intelligence and most people didn't consider humans to be animals at all or that we are more evolved animals, or god-like etc.

Nature is certainly wonderful but the natural world is merely a tiny and insignificant subset of reality itself. We don't understand even the most basic things about reality so how could we possibly understand something like life or change in species. How can any theory except mine explain the actions of these birds?

Simply stated all animals and ancient people are scientists but modern humans are confused by our languages. Our understanding (as shallow as it is) comes from models we build from experiment. We don't notice we don't understand each other and that we live our beliefs.

But I'm all ears if someone has another explanation of this behavior.

Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 328 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
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Re: It's impossible 264 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
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Re: It's impossible 238 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
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Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 245 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 261 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 226 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 302 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 314 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 277 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 338 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 320 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 298 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 317 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 193 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 289 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 231 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 265 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 254 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 313 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 247 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 225 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 251 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 230 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 276 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 268 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 284 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 268 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 253 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 229 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 264 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 304 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 323 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 257 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 241 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 178 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 229 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 201 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 173 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 291 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 277 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 279 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 284 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 248 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 265 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 302 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 229 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 258 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 237 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 273 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 267 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 367 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 244 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 270 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 270 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 214 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 233 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 226 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 234 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 225 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 220 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 219 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 214 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 220 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 265 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 204 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 225 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 209 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 244 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 256 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 298 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 229 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 285 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 224 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 332 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 165 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 287 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 210 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 202 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 231 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 263 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 305 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 293 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 278 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 270 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 267 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 238 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 196 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 260 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 216 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 244 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 257 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 282 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 216 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 228 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 235 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 314 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 253 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 274 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 295 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 295 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 281 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 277 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 266 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 361 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 233 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 313 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 254 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 267 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 204 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 339 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 241 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 355 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 208 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 255 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 304 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 287 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 288 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 309 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 209 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 280 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 205 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 308 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 244 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 301 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 263 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 259 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 267 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 180 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 210 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 265 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 242 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 282 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 311 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 223 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 253 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 255 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 242 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 230 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 337 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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