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Poster Boy Wrote:
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> It is the Church's position to ALWAYS move slowly
> on matters of alleged supernatural intervention,
> in my opinion because the Church doesn't need to.

It takes no time for the episcopate to acknowledge that the Sun blinked in and out many times during that day. No judgement need be cast about it being a "miracle", only a statement of what was observed, and yet none have made such a statement. In fact, they haven't described any details at all of what they saw.


> ...If you look further you will find some report that
> they were somehow able to look to the Sun. Not
> that that would matter in your case. You would
> just say that it is all part of the hoax. Anybody
> can come up with a conspiracy theory. Sounds like
> you really believe that here, which as I said is
> your prerogative. However, you also
> systematically exclude a lot of corroborating
> evidence online, of others reporting this event.

First of all, where has anyone claimed to have looked straight into the Sun with the naked eye and actually see a sharp solar disk, regardless of how badly their retina was scarred by doing so? And why would anyone of sound mind look directly at the Sun for any length of time in the first place?

Secondly, who said anything about a conspiracy? The only contention I'm making is about the half a handful of YouTube videos showing a blinking Sun claiming this is what all those people saw even though I've found no one else describing such a blinking Sun. It sounds like you are the one trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory when none actually exists.



> This, however, is a very separate issue in my
> mind. Let us all be VERY CLEAR, Origyptian. You
> did NOT mimic the video and you have NOT come
> close to meeting my direct challenge.

I have indeed. You simply seem to be deliberately avoiding trying the same thing yourself to verify it's true.


> 1. Reach for your cellphone
> 2. Go outside
> 3. Point to the Sun
> 4. Make the Sun appear to blink while the clouds
> or background field remains constant
> 5. Load the Video to youtube and introduce
> yourself.
> 6. Post the video here.

You must have missed the part where I said it might have been a camera with a separate light sensor, or (more likely) the few videos out there were post-processed to alternate the "exposure" setting, just as I did which verified the effect royally.


> Origyptian, you should know that I have very
> little interest in debating with people who make
> direct assertions about effects that they should
> be easily be able to reproduce AS THEY
> CLAIM, especially when I have called upon them to
> 'walk their talk' and they not only don't, but
> then persist with secondary arguments based on
> soft-area assumptions like group behavior.

Yes, it was very easy to mimic the effect within a few seconds. You seem to be in total denial about this and I'm wondering why, unless you're simply one of the faithful who wants it to be true. You haven't addressed my point about the subdued crowd when the Sun blinking started, or the lack of any detailed description of what was meant by "dancing Sun", e.g., rather than "winking Sun" or some other descriptor that more accurately portrays what you believe happened. The fact is, the "Dancing" descriptor far more accurately refers to the morphing shape of the Sun's glare as the clouds pass by and not to any blinking of the Sun.


> Here's one from 2010, apparently. Another for you
> to produce evidence to compare to. To point
> 4 above, please also include a crowd that is all
> facing the sun, with an object and audio, as we
> see here in this video entitled "Medjugorje -
> Miracle of the Sun - May 2010": (1)
>
> [www.youtube.com]

It is totally unfathomable to me that you are suggesting that all those people are there witnessing such a blinking Sun with zero reaction from the crowd whatsoever. You're suggesting that a field full of people suddenly experienced en masse what is arguably the most amazing miracle in modern times, and they just stand there silently replying to the clergy's prayers?

Is that really what you think is going on?

Zero reaction from astrophysicists around the world. No statement by any state official, no detailed description from any of the faithful who directly observed this event. Nothing other than the "personal video" posted by "TheGospaMessages" user on YouTube.

Do you not agree that the artifact in this video and also this one (both by TheGospaMessages) is from an oversaturated photo chip?


> Some of your points are warranted, I would agree.
> Leaving aside the facts that many are, one might
> think that everybody would be looking at the Sun.
> However, this was not my own direct experience ...

What follows is an entirely different phenomenon which contains no evidence at all other than personal descriptions of perceptions and interpretation. I was only commenting on the blinking Sun effect in those posted videos.

Do you want to continue the discussion about your Sai Baba experience?


> In 1995...
> ... [a lengthy description of a different experience not relevant to blinking Sun has been omitted in this reply]
>...


> My answer to your concern is that this sort of
> reaction may be rather normal in certain settings,
> as it appeared to have been in the case of Sai
> Baba as many, many, many people associated with
> him have reported various kinds of 'supernatural'
> experiences. That would account for the
> variability of response in the Sun miracles, which
> was exactly what I noted when I looked about the
> crowd to see how other people were reacting:
> variable responses. My guess would be that the
> solar anomalies had been occurring for sometime
> prior to the footage presented. People had had
> time to adapt.

Well, still no details are given to what was seen other than "shooting stars" in your Sai Baba event.

And a "guess" is not evidence that can serve to authenticate such a report.

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 298 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 277 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 163 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 168 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
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But I lack the pictures! n/t 248 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 220 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 237 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 251 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
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Medjugorje - May 2010 171 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 207 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 182 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 176 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 139 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 152 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 141 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 168 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 160 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 172 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 198 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 190 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 188 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 161 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 177 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 132 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 156 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 159 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 167 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 193 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 184 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 224 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 219 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 232 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 198 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 239 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 149 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 163 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 134 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 229 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 203 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 181 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 165 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 194 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 194 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 198 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 193 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 157 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 230 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 231 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 246 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 257 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 179 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 248 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 235 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 144 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 197 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 241 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 184 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 189 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 174 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 213 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 186 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 191 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 192 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 181 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 170 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 196 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 163 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 197 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 170 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 174 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 141 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 199 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 168 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 214 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 192 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 250 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 206 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 195 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 179 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 195 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 118 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 174 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 144 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 142 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 174 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 125 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 183 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 228 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 204 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 213 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 189 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 207 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 248 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 186 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 187 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 180 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 215 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 187 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 272 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 188 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 216 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 210 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 142 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 178 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 180 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 181 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 199 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 184 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 166 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 178 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 167 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 158 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 174 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 194 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 147 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 137 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 167 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 196 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 189 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 249 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 179 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 186 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 173 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 176 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 257 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 120 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 218 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 149 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 195 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 153 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 167 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 184 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 192 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 229 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 226 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 229 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 179 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 220 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 191 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 142 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 214 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 166 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 191 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 199 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 230 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 174 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 186 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 170 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 253 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 190 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 215 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 235 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 215 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 199 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 205 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 298 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 172 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 252 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 202 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 200 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 163 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 247 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 179 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 290 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 152 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 199 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 207 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 224 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 159 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 220 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 238 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 251 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 141 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 160 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 218 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 183 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 238 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 185 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 218 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 196 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 130 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 168 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 204 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 185 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 224 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 241 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 176 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 205 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 179 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 175 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 187 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 261 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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