> It is the Church's position to ALWAYS move slowly
> on matters of alleged supernatural intervention,
> in my opinion because the Church doesn't need to.
It takes no time for the episcopate to acknowledge that the Sun blinked in and out many times during that day. No judgement need be cast about it being a "miracle", only a statement of what was observed, and yet none have made such a statement. In fact, they haven't described any details at all of what they saw.
> ...If you look further you will find some report that
> they were somehow able to look to the Sun. Not
> that that would matter in your case. You would
> just say that it is all part of the hoax. Anybody
> can come up with a conspiracy theory. Sounds like
> you really believe that here, which as I said is
> your prerogative. However, you also
> systematically exclude a lot of corroborating
> evidence online, of others reporting this event.
First of all, where has anyone claimed to have looked straight into the Sun with the naked eye and actually see a sharp solar disk, regardless of how badly their retina was scarred by doing so? And why would anyone of sound mind look directly at the Sun for any length of time in the first place?
Secondly, who said anything about a conspiracy? The only contention I'm making is about the half a handful of YouTube videos showing a blinking Sun claiming this is what all those people saw even though I've found no one else describing such a blinking Sun. It sounds like you are the one trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory when none actually exists.
> This, however, is a very separate issue in my
> mind. Let us all be VERY CLEAR, Origyptian. You
> did NOT mimic the video and you have NOT come
> close to meeting my direct challenge.
I have indeed. You simply seem to be deliberately avoiding trying the same thing yourself to verify it's true.
> 1. Reach for your cellphone
> 2. Go outside
> 3. Point to the Sun
> 4. Make the Sun appear to blink while the clouds
> or background field remains constant
> 5. Load the Video to youtube and introduce
> 6. Post the video here.
You must have missed the part where I said it might have been a camera with a separate light sensor, or (more likely) the few videos out there were post-processed to alternate the "exposure" setting, just as I did which verified the effect royally.
> Origyptian, you should know that I have very
> little interest in debating with people who make
> direct assertions about effects that they should
> be easily be able to reproduce AS THEY
> CLAIM, especially when I have called upon them to
> 'walk their talk' and they not only don't, but
> then persist with secondary arguments based on
> soft-area assumptions like group behavior.
Yes, it was very easy to mimic the effect within a few seconds. You seem to be in total denial about this and I'm wondering why, unless you're simply one of the faithful who wants it to be true. You haven't addressed my point about the subdued crowd when the Sun blinking started, or the lack of any detailed description of what was meant by "dancing Sun", e.g., rather than "winking Sun" or some other descriptor that more accurately portrays what you believe happened. The fact is, the "Dancing" descriptor far more accurately refers to the morphing shape of the Sun's glare as the clouds pass by and not to any blinking of the Sun.
> Here's one from 2010, apparently. Another for you
> to produce evidence to compare to. To point
> 4 above, please also include a crowd that is all
> facing the sun, with an object and audio, as we
> see here in this video entitled "Medjugorje -
> Miracle of the Sun - May 2010": (1)
It is totally unfathomable to me that you are suggesting that all those people are there witnessing such a blinking Sun with zero reaction from the crowd whatsoever. You're suggesting that a field full of people suddenly experienced en masse what is arguably the most amazing miracle in modern times, and they just stand there silently replying to the clergy's prayers?
Is that really what you think is going on?
Zero reaction from astrophysicists around the world. No statement by any state official, no detailed description from any of the faithful who directly observed this event. Nothing other than the "personal video" posted by "TheGospaMessages" user on YouTube.
Do you not agree that the artifact in this video and also this one (both by TheGospaMessages) is from an oversaturated photo chip?
> Some of your points are warranted, I would agree.
> Leaving aside the facts that many are, one might
> think that everybody would be looking at the Sun.
> However, this was not my own direct experience ...
What follows is an entirely different phenomenon which contains no evidence at all other than personal descriptions of perceptions and interpretation. I was only commenting on the blinking Sun effect in those posted videos.
Do you want to continue the discussion about your Sai Baba experience?
> In 1995...
> ... [a lengthy description of a different experience not relevant to blinking Sun has been omitted in this reply]
> My answer to your concern is that this sort of
> reaction may be rather normal in certain settings,
> as it appeared to have been in the case of Sai
> Baba as many, many, many people associated with
> him have reported various kinds of 'supernatural'
> experiences. That would account for the
> variability of response in the Sun miracles, which
> was exactly what I noted when I looked about the
> crowd to see how other people were reacting:
> variable responses. My guess would be that the
> solar anomalies had been occurring for sometime
> prior to the footage presented. People had had
> time to adapt.
Well, still no details are given to what was seen other than "shooting stars" in your Sai Baba event.
And a "guess" is not evidence that can serve to authenticate such a report.
How can any of us ever know, when all we can do is think?