> Poster Boy Wrote:
> > ...
> > The testimonies have been reported on the
> > page of the Episcopal Conference and this has
> > to the thought of an explicit form of
> > of the event. However, that web space cannot be
> > considered an official expression of the
> > episcopate and there are no statements in this
> > regard. The bishops took note of the account of
> > the faithful and saw them rejoice for their
> Exactly, not a single one of the 53 bishops that
> attended has made any statement regarding the
> details of what they saw or their ackonwledgment
> that anything blinking happened with the Sun.
It is the Church's position to ALWAYS move slowly on matters of alleged supernatural intervention, in my opinion because the Church doesn't need to.
> they report is a festive crowd rejoicing in their
> experience, but zero description of their
> experience. We only hear rerports of the Sun
> "dancing" but nothing about it blinking in and
> out. All of the videos show an over-exposed Sun
> glare changing its shape as the clowds pass
> through the Sun beam which is something we see
> every single day with our naked eye when thin
> clouds pass by the Sun. Besides, how many of those
> faithful do you suppose were looking straight into
> the Sun with their naked eye and trying to glean
> any accurate details of the Sun's shape?!
If you look further you will find some report that they were somehow able to look to the Sun. Not that that would matter in your case. You would just say that it is all part of the hoax. Anybody can come up with a conspiracy theory. Sounds like you really believe that here, which as I said is your prerogative. However, you also systematically exclude a lot of corroborating evidence online, of others reporting this event.
> Also, I went to a segment in the video that shows
> the sun blinking in and out, I captured a "darker"
> frame of the Sun, then simply made it a tad
> brighter with my post-processing app, and the
> resulting image looked EXACTLY like the video a
> few frames later when it got brighter.
This, however, is a very separate issue in my mind. Let us all be VERY CLEAR, Origyptian. You did NOT mimic the video and you have NOT come close to meeting my direct challenge.
1. Reach for your cellphone
2. Go outside
3. Point to the Sun
4. Make the Sun appear to blink while the clouds or background field remains constant
5. Load the Video to youtube and introduce yourself.
6. Post the video here.
Origyptian, you should know that I have very little interest in debating with people who make direct assertions about effects that they should be easily be able to reproduce AS THEY CLAIM, especially when I have called upon them to 'walk their talk' and they not only don't, but then persist with secondary arguments based on soft-area assumptions like group behavior.
Here's one from 2010, apparently. Another for you to produce evidence to compare to. To point 4 above, please also include a crowd that is all facing the sun, with an object and audio, as we see here in this video entitled "Medjugorje - Miracle of the Sun - May 2010": (1)
Some of your points are warranted, I would agree. Leaving aside the facts that many are, one might think that everybody would be looking at the Sun. However, this was not my own direct experience.
In 1995, while travelling through India, I witnessed a somewhat similar experience - that is, a public apparently supernatural event - the likes of which this writer describes very well:
"And then there’s the experience I had at Baba’s ashram in 1996. In the middle of His Christmas discourse, Baba waved His hand and materialized a small gold-covered book - bringing a gasp of amazement from the crowd of 50,000, me among them! (I was seated very close to Baba - and was certain it was a genuine miracle.) That night at around 9 o’clock I heard that Baba had announced earlier that angels would be flying above the ashram that evening. I looked into the sky, but didn’t see anything unusual, so guessed I’d missed the show. However, a couple of nights later, two friends came running up to me on the street and said, “Ram Das, the angels are back! Come on, you’ve got to see them!” So I followed them up to a rooftop, away from the lights of the ashram, lay down and looked up...
And in the sky above us was one of the most astonishing sights I’ve ever seen: hundreds of thousands of self-luminous beings flying through the air, zipping around at great speed in what seemed to be an ecstatic dance of joy! They looked a little like shooting stars - yet they were closer to the Earth, and moving not in straight lines (as asteroids, or any similar phenomena would be) but in curves and curlicues. Considering Baba's earlier announcement, I didn’t see any reason to doubt that these glowing beings were indeed angels, celestial helpers in His world mission: no other phenomena I knew of could explain the sight. Sometimes two would pair up for a while as they zipped about, and they seemed to be pouring forth from some invisible gate above the ashram, where I guessed they had maybe just received Baba’s darshan and instructions for their work... The event had an unquestionably supernatural exuberance about it that left all three of us gasping in amazement. It was probably the most inspiring sight I’ve ever witnessed"
The first think you should know is that I am not, nor ever have been a Sai Baba devotee. However, the first episode may be the one that I directly witnessed, if the writer was thinking of a stay that covered 1995-96.
On Christmas Eve in 1995, while many thousands were in the Hall the writer mentions, attending a Sai Baba discourse, I walked by the Hall where a large tree was and saw a very similar thing to what the writer is describing. I had my journal and sat down at 710 pm exactly to record what I was seeing.
"Anyone who may happen to read this will probably have a hard time believing what I am seeing right now. One might think that the constellations, which have for so long appeared to have been stationary and distant objects in the sky, were ultimately nothing more than a cosmic illusion, a joke thought up by God. It literally looks as if all the stars have fallen from the heavens and that now they are hovering above the large tree I am sitting near.
There seems to be something about the general quality of their brightness that tells me they are as close as they appear to be, just above the top of this thirty or forty feet-high tree. Other than their brightness, there is no real reference point to gauge their relative distance. They look almost exactly like ordinary stars, maybe a little bit more golden in colour.
I have been watching them move around now above this tree for about twenty minutes and many other people around me, hundreds, have seen the same thing. My guess is that there are about a thousand or so of these ‘particles’. They are moving about rather slowly, at varying speeds and in every conceivable direction. Every now and then five of them or so gather to form a perfect circle which they spin around a few times before dispersing. This seems to indicate some sort of intelligence on their part, just as it also connotes a certain playfulness, like they are dancing with one another."
I go further, addressing every refutation I can think of. I also mention how it took me some time to prove to myself that I wasn't looking at real stars. Only after some effort was able to identify stationary ones "a little bigger, a bit brighter and definitely whiter than the far-more-numerous ones that were floating around in the foreground close to the tree."
But here is your where I address your concern.
There were probably several dozens of people coming and going at at time, in the several minutes I was there. Some didn't notice. Many did, and they gasped. However, many looked up, noted, and carried on like it was no big deal.
Then at some point the activity in the Hall ended and thousands of people came streaming out. Many looked up and gasped, as had others earlier. But in many cases the reactions were surprisingly brief. They were content to move on after a minute or two.
This moved me because there I was, recognizing that I was looking at what was most likely a supernatural event, and as such, something so significant that I had taken the time to record it in as much detail as I could in real time, when it was happening. As I was there a man from Venezuela approached me, a devotee like most of the rest, and said that they were 'devas' and that he had seen them a month earlier on Sai Baba's birthday.
My answer to your concern is that this sort of reaction may be rather normal in certain settings, as it appeared to have been in the case of Sai Baba as many, many, many people associated with him have reported various kinds of 'supernatural' experiences. That would account for the variability of response in the Sun miracles, which was exactly what I noted when I looked about the crowd to see how other people were reacting: variable responses. My guess would be that the solar anomalies had been occurring for sometime prior to the footage presented. People had had time to adapt.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06-Jan-18 20:10 by Poster Boy.