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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Aine Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I don't have all the answers either and I'm not
> a
> > physicist. BUT...I don't understand how you
> come
> > to the conclusion that DNA dumps more energy
> into
> > the system. When the double strand is formed,
> heat
> > is released as per Law 2. The heat released
> > increases the entropy in the universe more than
> > the decrease in the system.
>
> It takes a tremendous amount of energy to create
> the nucleic acid strands (the enzymes don't work
> for free), and DNA clearly has a highly organized
> structure. The energy infusion and complex
> organization both violate the 2nd Law.

No, they don't. DNA's complex structure was bought and paid for by every reaction that occurred to make it possible. Every single chemical reaction in the process of DNA synthesis is in accordance with law 2. Every. Single. One.


> Metabolism presumes a living organism; creating
> that organism required quite a bit of energy
> infusion and organization into the system.
> Otherwise, we wouldn't need to eat more than we
> burn as excess heat, and we'd just look like a
> giant living blob without all that tissue
> organization.

Whoo hoo, Law 1. Well, if organisms violated Law 2, we'd all die a very painful heat death.


> Such speculation is possible, but since it hasn't
> been verified it can't displace other hypotheses
> or neutralize the 2nd Law Violation contention.

Facepalm.


> > There's no evidence that the universe was
> created
> > by an intelligent designer, but some people
> seem
> > to accept that wholeheartedly.
>
> For that matter, there's no evidence the universe
> was created by random events either.

Once again, show me the math. If you can't do that, then I don't know what to tell you.


> That could be an artifact of a non-linear
> spacetime grid and/or the dynamic of decreasing
> energy precipitating into an increase in mass in
> the universe as the current "Big Oscillation"
> cycle progresses. Or it might still be expanding.
> Either way it's not testable, and isn't that
> relevant to the main point here.

Okay, now you're grasping.

> And the process requires the infusion of energy
> and order. Ergo, 2nd Law violation.

Again, no.


> I didn't get that. the entropy of a living
> organism may not exceed the amount of energy the
> organism consumes at any point in time. Otherwise,
> the organism is no longer living.

Well, if you have a problem with that, take it up with the biochemists who are way smarter than either of us. That's what I was taught in biochemistry. I'm surprised you weren't.


> > Don't forget, entropy can
> > only increase or remain constant, never
> decrease.
> > Organisms take in free energy in the form of
> > nutrients (calories) or sunlight, and they
> return
> > an equal amount of heat and therefore entropy.
>
> I think I need to disagree with that. Much of the
> energy we consume is not dissipated as entropy. It
> is put to useful work.

Fine.


> > Your dilemma is ultimately resolved by Nobel
> Peace
> > Prize winning theoretical chemist John Scales
> > Avery, who says that the paradox is resolved
> "in
> > the information content of the Gibbs free
> energy
> > that enters the biosphere from outside
> sources."
> > (Information Theory and Evolution, 2012).
>
> The point is it's energy that's infused to the
> system, regardless where it comes from.

The point is that you're WRONG. If you have a problem with that, then disprove it experimentally. Don't sit here and say the same incorrect thing over and over and over again. Show them they're wrong.


> At least it's an approach to determine what
> actually happened.

How?

Attributed it to "God" is just
> a lazy way to say it's such an enormous
> undertaking that we can never understand and
> therefore must have been the work of a diety. As
> if the humble 3 pounds of goop between our ears
> was ever designed to comprehend such things at
> all.

I don't know if we can NEVER understand it. We simply don't have the tools or technology to do it as yet.


> Thanks, Aine.
>
> By the way, how do you pronounce your name? Is it
> eye-neh?

AWN-yah.

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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 294 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 240 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 342 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 285 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 292 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 246 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 187 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 373 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 270 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
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Re: Not necessarily Christian 270 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 221 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 248 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 236 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 213 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 194 brett z 01-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 221 Aine 31-Dec-17 17:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 240 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 256 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:31
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 240 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 171 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 208 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 brett z 30-Dec-17 23:04
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 260 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 08:47
, Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 272 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 09:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design 238 DUNE 31-Dec-17 10:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 236 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 267 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 269 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
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Re: driving force 217 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
Re: driving force 220 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 295 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 313 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 259 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
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Re: entropy 222 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 220 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
Re: entropy 272 brett z 03-Jan-18 21:15
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Re: Information 205 cladking 06-Jan-18 19:35
Re: Information 231 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 20:14
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Re: entropy 266 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:53
Re: entropy 218 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 20:47
Re: entropy 206 cladking 06-Jan-18 21:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 163 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 198 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 205 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 172 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 178 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 187 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 184 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 243 Thunderbird 06-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 191 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 198 Thunderbird 08-Jan-18 05:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 222 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:13
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 184 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:17
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 235 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 17:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 194 cladking 08-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 253 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 16:55
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 238 cladking 09-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 203 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 06:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 231 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 241 Audrey 10-Jan-18 18:03
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 218 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 18:57
Re: Masonic History 207 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Masonic History 212 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:21
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 143 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:00
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 195 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:20
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Re: UBW/nt 193 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 241 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 190 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 193 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 190 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 221 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 227 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 200 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 199 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 313 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 236 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 206 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 183 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 289 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 187 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 159 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 155 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 158 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 193 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 180 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 205 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 196 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 171 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 181 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 191 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 232 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 179 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 206 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 211 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 194 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 192 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 274 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 207 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 225 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 289 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 185 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 203 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 205 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 211 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 200 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 199 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 208 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 155 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 211 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 189 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 153 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 156 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 163 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 201 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 260 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 189 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 236 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 175 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 149 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 182 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 250 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 253 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 280 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 211 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 206 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 261 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 243 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 271 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 261 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 238 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 250 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 263 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 160 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 176 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
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See ya, Phil 202 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 174 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 198 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 145 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 173 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 173 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 192 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 210 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 196 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 240 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 250 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 253 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 219 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 249 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 177 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 181 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 160 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 243 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 214 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 192 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 177 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 205 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 219 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 201 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 227 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 215 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 261 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 258 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 211 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 168 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 284 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 249 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 273 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 191 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 259 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 245 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 159 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 199 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 233 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 201 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 201 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 211 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 193 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 219 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 220 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 205 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 196 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 196 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 234 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 231 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 231 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 183 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 208 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 193 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 187 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 156 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 211 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 185 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 188 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 226 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 285 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 223 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 206 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 187 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 190 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 129 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 208 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 158 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 154 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 203 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 138 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 208 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 216 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 235 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 236 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 214 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 203 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 231 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 266 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 198 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 225 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 195 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 229 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 222 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 286 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 211 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 231 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 222 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 161 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 191 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 192 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 196 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 217 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 194 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 182 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 185 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 190 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 182 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 172 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 186 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 214 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 161 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 174 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 178 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 212 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 203 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 260 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 191 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 196 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 249 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 191 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 198 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 274 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 133 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 244 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 175 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 206 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 170 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 195 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 198 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 203 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 244 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 260 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 244 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 208 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 204 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 156 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 226 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 183 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 191 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 207 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 222 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 241 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 184 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 197 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 192 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 263 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 201 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 240 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 250 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 216 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 210 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 218 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 313 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 187 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 268 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 217 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 210 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 173 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 290 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 194 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 304 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 163 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 212 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 228 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 240 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 187 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 253 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 279 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 153 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 173 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 247 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 196 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 259 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 228 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 216 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 143 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 179 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 216 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 210 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 243 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 275 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 188 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 219 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 192 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 195 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 198 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 294 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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