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Thanos5150 Wrote:

>
> I would not put these two together as if they are
> one and the same or a continuation of one to the
> other historically. Hebrews. Christians. Also, the
> Old Testament is "history", the New Testament is
> the "history" of Jesus.

Understood, and good point.
>
> > because it doesn't recognize other information
> > that we basically know about this setting and
> > certain essential facts.
>
... It's not that the Old Testament does not
> contain history and is actually an invaluable tool
> for understanding some of these periods. And just
> because some of these events have been infused
> with myth doesn't mean they are not based on real
> events, say like the Exodus compared to the event
> described by Ipuwer.
>

Yes, I see your perspective.


> > So, you accept the slavery thing but your
> dispute
> > is with Moses' followers having their own
> > particular cultural identity as 'Hebrews' but
> > rather they were a multi-cultural Semitic lot.
>
> Slavery was ubiquitous in the ancient world which
> a large part of it was also indentured servitude.
> Again, the AE had Nubian slaves and others as well
> so it is by no means a "semitic" thing and were
> likely a relatively small percentage of the total
> slave population. I noted and gave links to the AE
> relationship with Canaan during this period which
> I really hope you take the time to read.

Will take a closer look.

> Archaeologically there is no evidence for 430yrs
> of slavery which, again, makes little sense
> regardless, for among other reasons, given the
> Canaanites were valued trading partners of Egypt
> during this period in which they actually ruled
> Lower Egypt during this period for centuries.
> Ironically, if the Hebrews were enslaved as a
> people during this period they would have been
> enslaved for half of it by their fellow semites
> who ruled Egypt during this period and were very
> likely from Canaan themselves.


How would one look for such evidence - on stone, papyri or mass graves etc? Since there was slavery, as you say, I guess you would want semite DNA?


>
> > Could you tell me when you see them identifying
> as
> > "Hebrew"?
>
> What archeology sees this as is the late 2nd
> millennium, c. 13th century BC.
>
> > Likewise with Yahweh: Do you see an origin
> point
> > for this concept or an era? The Diaspora?
>
> c. 13th century BC. Yahweh, a storm god, is a
> conglomeration of other tribal and regional gods.
>
> There were several diaspora events after the 1st
> millenium induced by invasions of Israel and
> Judea.


Thanks for the answers again
>
> > Personally, Thanos, I don't have any difficulty
> > with there being no story of Moses on the
> Egyptian
> > record assuming that the narrative is true. I
> > have always been quite impressed by how the
> Exodus
> > coincides with Ramses who, during my time in
> > Egypt, greatly impressed me as a narcissist and
> as
> > such, a person who would seek to make sure that
> > all references to Moses were removed or never
> cast
> > in stone in the first place - a general idea
> that
> > seems to accord with what we know about Imhotep
> > the solar pharaoh (or however one spells his
> > name).
>
> See my post to Eli regarding the reality on Egypt
> if such events took place. No amount of ego can
> overcome the sudden death of millions of men and
> cattle. This would have completely decimated Egypt
> for generations if it ever could recover.


If it doesn't take to much effort, how do your respond to Eli's assertion of a generation or two, and that he sees the Exodus casualties as basically being typical of wars in general?

>
The only thing I would ask of the
> > "Ipuwer" texts is if you can provide any sense
> of
> > how large or small the associated documents are.
>
> > How do they compare, volume-wise, to Exodus?
>
> I linked the full text in my previous post.


Sorry, I had looked and only saw what appeared to be highlighted comparison excerpts. I will take a closer look there two. Kind of writing on the fly at the moment, Thanos.
>
> > I see your basic idea. but if I may ask, Exodus
> > notwithstanding, do you rule out 'supernatural'
> > events period when it comes to your own belief
> > system?
>
> Regarding my own beliefs, the supernatural is just
> science and/or physics we have yet to explain. To
> quote Arthur C. Clarke:
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
> indistinguishable from magic".


I emphatically agree and think this is a VERY important thing to keep in mind as we are might not considering a 'God or nothing' scenario in many interesting cases. Interventions don't have to all be 'divine'.

>
>
> "603,550". Curiously specific don't you think?
> Anyhoo, this 2-3 million number comes from adding
> in the the uncounted women and children.

yes, that's how I had crunched the numbers when I last visited this matter, extrapolating from the 600k.
>
> It's interesting to me that you have no problem
> for some reason accepting the Egyptians not
> bothering to mention the events of the Exodus, yet
> in the same breath accept the idea of over 2
> million Hebrew slaves escaped Egypt and wandered
> the Sinai for 40yrs without leaving a trace. The
> entire population of Egypt in the New Kingdom is
> estimated at only 2-3 million yet you think it's
> possible over 2 million, at one point outnumbering
> the whole population of Egypt itself, of these
> were Hebrew slaves? The entire population of
> Israel today has only 1.5 million men. Do you
> think it is possible that someone got these
> numbers radically screwed up?

I might think so, but for how detailed the census seemed to be.
>

Thanos, I'm aware that the story sounds crazy, and of how small the Sinai peninsula is, where I have spent some time. I wold be crazy to dispute that. My position is that I won't rule out the Exodus account, partly because I can't see how the Israelites would take this on crazy story as history without any signs of resistance. That's equally crazy to me, at least as far as I can tell. That's what I was trying to get at, at the end of my post... I had asked you because obviously you have thought about these things deeply. So, I'll try to rephrase...

> > What if I went to a place of such size and

>
> Sorry, kind of lost me here.

Let's say that you and I live in the same city of 2-3 million people. We have a history. In the city some members are keenly interested in the history. To them it matters.

So, at some point somebody comes along and says, wrongly, that we crossed a sea once, and all that Exodus stuff and for whatever reason this becomes our accepted history. For example, let's suppose that someone comes along and says, "Never mind the Romans, in fact, London was founded after our ancestors freed themselves from captivity on Continental Europe and crossed the English Channel after it was parted by their great bearded leader.
Were that not true I would strongly expect to see some evidence of a resistance, where the record of what really happened is explained - thanks to some of our city's true historians - and perhaps how the BS version really became the undisputed version. To me, it also sounds crazy that something like this could have happened - if it weren't true - without evidence of any resistance.

My gut feeling is that a person like you and others on this board would have preserved the real story, because you obviously take historical matters very seriously, which I think is a virtue. I certainly would if only because I can't stand the BS, even though I'm not much of historian. Surely there would be many more like us in a community of 2-3 million. So, I had asked how you might have addressed it, as I am yet to hear a compelling answer.

Anyway, I've got to run. I thank you once more and will look closer at those links soon.

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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 261 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 259 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 266 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 260 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 355 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 283 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 205 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 251 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 300 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 282 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
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Kerala 2016 280 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 21:43
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and Back to Nigeria 2017 230 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 05:43
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Medjugorje - May 2010 229 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 267 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 297 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 279 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 260 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
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Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 252 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
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Proselytizing: Not 285 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 01:26
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Re: Proselytizing: Not 310 PB Bytes 09-Jan-18 05:05
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Re: Proselytizing: Not 309 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 232 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 235 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 205 PB Bytes 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 311 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 277 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 233 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
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Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 262 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 275 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 271 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 284 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 289 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 283 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 304 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 311 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 329 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 268 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 313 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 347 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 335 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 285 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 299 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 309 PB Bytes 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 317 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 339 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 297 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 205 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 279 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 302 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 244 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 281 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 280 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 298 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 258 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 338 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 303 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 259 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 263 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 292 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 247 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 279 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 290 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 300 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 288 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 298 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 283 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 250 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 260 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 271 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 247 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 272 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 230 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 244 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 281 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 279 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 293 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 315 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 340 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 273 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 278 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 256 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 194 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 289 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 240 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 244 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 257 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 184 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 305 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 289 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 310 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 300 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 280 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 322 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 241 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 281 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 270 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 297 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 290 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 381 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 257 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 296 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 284 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 240 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 250 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 249 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 264 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 239 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 251 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 237 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 304 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 240 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 227 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 259 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 267 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 324 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 250 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 265 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 307 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 248 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 269 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 364 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 177 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 308 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 223 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 250 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 224 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 246 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 286 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 324 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 306 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 300 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 287 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 290 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 249 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 224 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 297 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 224 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 259 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 255 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 279 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 302 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 225 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 244 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 243 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 331 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 263 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 309 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 310 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 305 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 297 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 PB Bytes 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 257 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 298 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 372 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 243 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 334 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 269 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 280 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 221 PB Bytes 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 355 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 276 PB Bytes 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 385 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 234 PB Bytes 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 270 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 269 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 319 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 307 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 308 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 328 PB Bytes 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 297 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 240 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 336 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 264 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 324 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 274 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 286 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 280 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 250 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 293 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 326 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 243 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 282 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 269 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 266 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 242 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 371 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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