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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Aine Wrote:
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> > What violation? See Gibbs free energy, not
> > negative entropy.
>
> It's hard to get too serious about such things,
> but it's fun to muse about them, and it brings me
> back to my hippy days...
>
> Where does that enthalpy come from? The Sun? Where
> did the Sun get its energy? Someone or something
> had to load the gun in the first place. Gibbs
> energy only exists because the energy initially
> was inserted into the system, right? So where does
> the energy come from and how was it able to defeat
> the entropic tendency?

That's a question for Jonny, but the amount of energy in the universe is constant. The sun generates heat via nuclear reactions, which radiates to Earth. Plants and bacteria utilize the photons for photosynthesis, and so on up the food chain.

>
>
> > The second law describes closed systems. Living
> > organisms are open systems. The Earth itself is
> an
> > open system. Also, evolutionary processes take
> > place over very long periods of time. Show me
> the
> > equation that demonstrates that living
> organisms
> > are in violation of any of the laws of
> > thermodynamics.
>
> "Closed" and "open" systems are relative to the
> context at hand. And in a sense there is no truly
> closed system as long as it exists with other
> 'systems' in the same universe. I know of no known
> principle that allows any such "closed" systems to
> be guaranteed separation from any other system
> vis a vis the laws of physics. The notion
> of a truly "closed system" strikes me more as a
> thought experiment than anything real we can point
> to.
>
> It's not even clear to me that the universe as we
> know it, as a singular closed system truly follows
> the law of entropy. While it's possible for one to
> argue that the Big Bang is time zero on the
> entropy clock, one could also argue that the Big
> Bang is the second half of a Big Oscillation which
> includes a Big Implosion phase too, and once the
> universe compacts back to infinitesimally small as
> a result of the Big Implosion phase, it may then
> expand again with another Big Bang, etc., etc., so
> we do not know whether the 2nd law actually does
> apply to anything other than the current state of
> the universe.

Correct. But all we're concerned with is the current state of the universe.

But you still haven't demonstrated how any of this violates the laws. You're questioning the laws themselves.

> Likewise for the timescale of the energy exchange.
> Living systems represent an eddy current of a net
> acquisition of energy and organization in an
> apparent violation of the 2nd Law.

How?

You can create
> a "closed" system by including the entire solar
> system. Sure, eventually each living organism will
> succumb to the 2nd law, but they violate that law
> during their acquisition phase, and they do so
> quite consistently in an effort to preserve the
> species.

Again, how?

>
> I'd like to see the equation that plausibly
> explains how
> t
> his
can slowly develop through random
> coincidence in the midst of the laws of
> thermodynamics and statistical probability.
>
>
> > Also, if the 2nd law was violated, we'd never
> get
> > old and we'd never die.
>
> I certainly don't claim that the violation of the
> 2nd law is permanent for a given organism. But the
> law does continue to be violated as the
> population continues to expand. How
> is it possible for Nature to expend that energy,
> and why is it advantageous for Nature to do so?

That's easy. There's no better way to expend that energy than by reproducing.


> > Organisms live at
> > near-maximum thermodynamic efficiency (some
> more
> > so than others), but in the end, there is no
> > violation of the laws of thermodynamics.
>
> Again, "in the end" is a catch-all way to
> reconcile the law, but it doesn't account for the
> short-term and consistent reversal in entropy
> during the lifetime of a species, genus, or
> phylum, etc. Simply put, DNA is designed from the
> bottom up to counter entropy long after its
> procreative processes have been spent.

Why do you think DNA is some kind of designer drug? It's a nucleic acid, not some mystery substance.

And some
> species have been doing that for many millions of
> years. How is that the result of random mass and
> energy interactions? The video in the above link
> mainly depicts the high order coiling of DNA after
> it's been replicated. Very little is available
> regarding the physical process of replication, and
> I suspect that's because the unzipping a 6 mile
> length of rope that's been completely reduced to a
> 6-degree coil is basically impossible to
> comprehend, let alone explain.

Actually, just in the last week or two there was something about capturing DNA in the act of replicating. I'll see if I can find it.

> > And there is now evidence that life itself is
> an
> > unavoidable product of the laws of
> thermodynamics.
> > It's good stuff and they are in the process of
> > testing it.


> Not so much "unavoidable" as much as "easily
> accommodated". The study is based on computer
> modeling which means many assumptions are made
> regarding the principles at play. It's reminiscent
> of Sydney Fox' primordial ooze which generated
> organic molecules when charged with an electric
> current.
>
> On the other hand, if you're suggesting that life
> (and the negative entropy it produces) is simply a
> short-term phase in the dissipation of energy from
> the Sun, I certainly would allow that possibility.
> But it's far less clear that the dissipation of
> solar energy can accidentally produce DNA's
> resilience, redundancy, self-repair,
> self-reproduction, and widespread occurrence on
> the surface of the planet, let alone the 6-degree
> helical windings and unzipping that's presented in
> the above youtube link.

Who said the dun caused it? That's really stretching things a bit, don't you think?

Has it occured to you that perhaps DNA itself evolved, and the relationship between RNA, DNA and proteins co-evolved? I doubt very much that DNA was the first agent of heredity.


> > Against the odds complexity? I knew we'd get
> into
> > that eventually. However, what are the odds of
> a
> > supernatural creator (and make no mistake,
> that's
> > what ID is about) actually existing?
>
> Why categorize it as "supernatural"? What do we
> think we know that allows us to make such a claim?
> I prefer "super-unknowable" which seems far more
> likely, considering the limits of those 3 pounds
> of water, fat, and protein that we depend on
> between our ears to contemplate such vast things.
>

Whatever you want to call it, then. What makes it more likely than the alternative?


> > Now, against the odds doesn't mean impossible
> > (because the probability never reaches zero).
> Show
> > me the math that states that a supernatural
> agent
> > is more possible than not.
>
> You're currect that it's a statistical argument,
> and the odds are infinitesimally tiny. I base that
> assessment on the 2nd Law, our inability to
> adequately define life, our inability to find life
> (so far) anywhere else than the few mile thick
> surface of our own planet, and the fact that life
> exists at all.

Why?

Here's another possibility: life is an immutable property of the universe. And another: the universe itself is evolving, and life is simply the next step.


> > > As was previously mentioned, if a non-random
> > > 'intelligence' is responsible for setting up
> the
> > > design, what created that 'intelligence'?
> >
> > Passing the buck fallacy. It fails to apply the
> > same rules to the problem when it comes to God.
> > And then you're back to infinite regression.
> >
> > In short, it solves nothing.
>
> Not sure what you mean by that. It's not passing
> the buck, it's allowing the logical reiterative
> paradigm to those who believe the universe is
> indeed infinite. Almost by definition, it's
> passing the buck to claim that the universe is
> infinite in space and time.

I didn't claim that space and time are infinite.

It's passing the buck to claim (as IDers and creationists do) that life on Earth MUST have been created, but God is subject to special rules exempting him from that question, and wasn't designed or created. It's more special pleading, but passing the buck does apply.


>
> What rules apply to God? And if God
> is "intelligent", where did that intelligence come
> from? Is God getting smarter? Is God subject to
> the laws of thermodynamics? Does God follow the
> laws of statistics?

Wouldn't we all love to know that. LOL In If he designed and created it, why wouldn't he be subject to it himself?

The problem with ID is that it doesn't set out any rules or parameters for their as yet nameless intelligent designer. Even magic has clearly delineated limitations.


> If the laws of physics don't apply to God,
> how do we account for God!

And therein lies the rub!

1984 was a warning, not a how-to guide.



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 297 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 rodz111 21-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 369 jjeremybenthem 29-Dec-17 21:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 399 Aine 29-Dec-17 23:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 301 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 11:12
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 345 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:10
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 311 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:47
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 267 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 17:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 277 Aine 30-Dec-17 17:57
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 304 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 18:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 267 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 18:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 288 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 20:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 297 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 21:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 231 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 254 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 335 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 230 cladking 30-Dec-17 19:11
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 279 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 228 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 337 Reagent 30-Dec-17 02:49
Re: Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 191 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 322 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 272 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 278 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 232 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 175 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 357 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 254 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
Not necessarily Christian 255 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:26
Re: Not necessarily Christian 252 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 195 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 245 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 220 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 214 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 219 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 209 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 199 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 179 brett z 01-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 208 Aine 31-Dec-17 17:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 245 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 221 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 242 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:31
What about Multiverse ? 243 Vanya 01-Jan-18 12:19
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 221 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 199 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 158 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 192 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 290 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 brett z 30-Dec-17 23:04
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 08:47
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design 223 DUNE 31-Dec-17 10:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 228 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 14:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:53
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 160 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
driving force 210 brett z 01-Jan-18 18:57
Re: driving force 200 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
Re: driving force 207 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 201 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 190 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
entropy 210 brett z 03-Jan-18 15:45
Re: entropy 205 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 208 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
Re: entropy 255 brett z 03-Jan-18 21:15
Re: entropy 200 Aham 04-Jan-18 05:07
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Re: entropy 193 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: entropy 189 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:59
Re: entropy 223 brett z 05-Jan-18 17:13
Re: entropy 195 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 18:17
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Re: entropy 217 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 16:13
snow crystals and life 233 brett z 05-Jan-18 20:52
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Re: snow crystals and life 189 brett z 06-Jan-18 22:08
Re: entropy 239 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 15:34
Information 191 drrayeye 05-Jan-18 17:46
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Re: Information 193 cladking 06-Jan-18 19:35
Re: Information 215 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 20:14
Re: entropy 202 cladking 05-Jan-18 20:16
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Re: entropy 234 cladking 05-Jan-18 21:53
Re: entropy 200 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 20:47
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 160 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 144 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 03:03
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 221 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Susan Doris 05-Jan-18 19:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 cladking 05-Jan-18 19:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 175 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 157 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 172 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 169 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 227 Thunderbird 06-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 180 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 188 Thunderbird 08-Jan-18 05:59
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 182 cladking 08-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 232 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 16:55
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 228 cladking 09-Jan-18 20:56
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 190 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 06:59
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 218 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 229 Audrey 10-Jan-18 18:03
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 205 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 18:57
Re: Masonic History 193 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Masonic History 199 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Masonic History 211 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:35
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 194 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 133 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:00
Re: The speed of Thought : ) 176 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 278 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:42
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 184 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:20
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 219 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 176 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 196 Origyptian 11-Jan-18 06:04
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 286 cladking 11-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 201 Audrey 11-Jan-18 02:26
Re: UBW/nt 179 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 225 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 182 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 215 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 196 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 181 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 299 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 222 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 193 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 171 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 279 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 175 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 178 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 154 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 147 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 142 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 163 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 179 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 169 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 159 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 168 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 181 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 217 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 168 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 193 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 200 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 179 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 182 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 248 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
Re: anthropic principle 195 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 04:44
Re: anthropic principle 209 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 270 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 171 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 189 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 191 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 200 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 191 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 181 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 194 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 143 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 199 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 179 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 142 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 142 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 152 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 190 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 248 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 176 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 222 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 164 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 138 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 226 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 167 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 170 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 235 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 241 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 263 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 187 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 195 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 237 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 231 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 255 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 218 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 249 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 221 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 237 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 251 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 155 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 23:12
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 154 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:55
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:34
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 156 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 204 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 02:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 170 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:50
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 196 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 180 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 166 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 197 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 184 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 148 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 176 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 163 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
Kerala 2016 182 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Kerala 2016 171 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:38
Re: Kerala 2016 191 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:16
and Back to Nigeria 2017 167 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 05:43
Re: and Back to Nigeria 2017 219 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:16
Medjugorje - May 2010 171 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 208 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 182 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 176 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 140 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 152 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 141 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 169 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 160 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 173 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 198 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 191 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 188 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 161 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 177 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 133 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 156 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 159 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 167 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 194 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 184 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 224 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 219 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 232 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 198 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 239 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 150 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 164 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 135 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 229 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 204 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 182 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 165 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 194 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 194 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 195 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 198 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 241 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 239 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 194 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 157 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 230 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 231 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 247 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 179 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 249 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 144 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 198 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 242 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 185 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 219 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 189 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 214 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 186 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 191 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 192 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 181 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 171 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 208 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 196 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 163 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 197 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 171 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 141 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 168 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 214 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 193 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 201 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 251 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 195 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 172 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 179 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 196 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 118 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 174 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 176 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 144 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 142 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 175 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 126 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 183 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 229 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 204 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 215 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 189 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 207 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 249 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 187 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 188 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 180 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 215 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 187 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 272 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 188 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 216 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 211 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 143 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 178 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 181 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 181 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 199 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 184 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 167 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 179 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 168 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 158 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 174 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 195 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 148 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 137 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 167 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 196 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 189 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 249 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 179 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 186 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 173 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 177 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 257 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 120 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 218 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 150 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 196 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 153 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 168 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 185 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 193 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 179 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 221 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 191 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 142 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 215 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 166 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 191 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 200 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 231 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 174 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 186 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 170 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 253 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 190 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 215 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 235 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 215 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 203 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 200 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 205 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 298 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 172 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 252 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 203 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 201 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 163 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 248 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 180 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 290 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 152 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 199 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 207 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 225 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 159 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 220 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 238 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 141 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 223 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 161 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 218 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 184 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 238 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 185 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 219 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 196 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 130 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 168 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 204 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 185 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 225 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 241 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 177 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 205 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 180 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 175 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 187 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 261 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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