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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Aine Wrote:
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> > What violation? See Gibbs free energy, not
> > negative entropy.
>
> It's hard to get too serious about such things,
> but it's fun to muse about them, and it brings me
> back to my hippy days...
>
> Where does that enthalpy come from? The Sun? Where
> did the Sun get its energy? Someone or something
> had to load the gun in the first place. Gibbs
> energy only exists because the energy initially
> was inserted into the system, right? So where does
> the energy come from and how was it able to defeat
> the entropic tendency?

That's a question for Jonny, but the amount of energy in the universe is constant. The sun generates heat via nuclear reactions, which radiates to Earth. Plants and bacteria utilize the photons for photosynthesis, and so on up the food chain.

>
>
> > The second law describes closed systems. Living
> > organisms are open systems. The Earth itself is
> an
> > open system. Also, evolutionary processes take
> > place over very long periods of time. Show me
> the
> > equation that demonstrates that living
> organisms
> > are in violation of any of the laws of
> > thermodynamics.
>
> "Closed" and "open" systems are relative to the
> context at hand. And in a sense there is no truly
> closed system as long as it exists with other
> 'systems' in the same universe. I know of no known
> principle that allows any such "closed" systems to
> be guaranteed separation from any other system
> vis a vis the laws of physics. The notion
> of a truly "closed system" strikes me more as a
> thought experiment than anything real we can point
> to.
>
> It's not even clear to me that the universe as we
> know it, as a singular closed system truly follows
> the law of entropy. While it's possible for one to
> argue that the Big Bang is time zero on the
> entropy clock, one could also argue that the Big
> Bang is the second half of a Big Oscillation which
> includes a Big Implosion phase too, and once the
> universe compacts back to infinitesimally small as
> a result of the Big Implosion phase, it may then
> expand again with another Big Bang, etc., etc., so
> we do not know whether the 2nd law actually does
> apply to anything other than the current state of
> the universe.

Correct. But all we're concerned with is the current state of the universe.

But you still haven't demonstrated how any of this violates the laws. You're questioning the laws themselves.

> Likewise for the timescale of the energy exchange.
> Living systems represent an eddy current of a net
> acquisition of energy and organization in an
> apparent violation of the 2nd Law.

How?

You can create
> a "closed" system by including the entire solar
> system. Sure, eventually each living organism will
> succumb to the 2nd law, but they violate that law
> during their acquisition phase, and they do so
> quite consistently in an effort to preserve the
> species.

Again, how?

>
> I'd like to see the equation that plausibly
> explains how
> t
> his
can slowly develop through random
> coincidence in the midst of the laws of
> thermodynamics and statistical probability.
>
>
> > Also, if the 2nd law was violated, we'd never
> get
> > old and we'd never die.
>
> I certainly don't claim that the violation of the
> 2nd law is permanent for a given organism. But the
> law does continue to be violated as the
> population continues to expand. How
> is it possible for Nature to expend that energy,
> and why is it advantageous for Nature to do so?

That's easy. There's no better way to expend that energy than by reproducing.


> > Organisms live at
> > near-maximum thermodynamic efficiency (some
> more
> > so than others), but in the end, there is no
> > violation of the laws of thermodynamics.
>
> Again, "in the end" is a catch-all way to
> reconcile the law, but it doesn't account for the
> short-term and consistent reversal in entropy
> during the lifetime of a species, genus, or
> phylum, etc. Simply put, DNA is designed from the
> bottom up to counter entropy long after its
> procreative processes have been spent.

Why do you think DNA is some kind of designer drug? It's a nucleic acid, not some mystery substance.

And some
> species have been doing that for many millions of
> years. How is that the result of random mass and
> energy interactions? The video in the above link
> mainly depicts the high order coiling of DNA after
> it's been replicated. Very little is available
> regarding the physical process of replication, and
> I suspect that's because the unzipping a 6 mile
> length of rope that's been completely reduced to a
> 6-degree coil is basically impossible to
> comprehend, let alone explain.

Actually, just in the last week or two there was something about capturing DNA in the act of replicating. I'll see if I can find it.

> > And there is now evidence that life itself is
> an
> > unavoidable product of the laws of
> thermodynamics.
> > It's good stuff and they are in the process of
> > testing it.


> Not so much "unavoidable" as much as "easily
> accommodated". The study is based on computer
> modeling which means many assumptions are made
> regarding the principles at play. It's reminiscent
> of Sydney Fox' primordial ooze which generated
> organic molecules when charged with an electric
> current.
>
> On the other hand, if you're suggesting that life
> (and the negative entropy it produces) is simply a
> short-term phase in the dissipation of energy from
> the Sun, I certainly would allow that possibility.
> But it's far less clear that the dissipation of
> solar energy can accidentally produce DNA's
> resilience, redundancy, self-repair,
> self-reproduction, and widespread occurrence on
> the surface of the planet, let alone the 6-degree
> helical windings and unzipping that's presented in
> the above youtube link.

Who said the dun caused it? That's really stretching things a bit, don't you think?

Has it occured to you that perhaps DNA itself evolved, and the relationship between RNA, DNA and proteins co-evolved? I doubt very much that DNA was the first agent of heredity.


> > Against the odds complexity? I knew we'd get
> into
> > that eventually. However, what are the odds of
> a
> > supernatural creator (and make no mistake,
> that's
> > what ID is about) actually existing?
>
> Why categorize it as "supernatural"? What do we
> think we know that allows us to make such a claim?
> I prefer "super-unknowable" which seems far more
> likely, considering the limits of those 3 pounds
> of water, fat, and protein that we depend on
> between our ears to contemplate such vast things.
>

Whatever you want to call it, then. What makes it more likely than the alternative?


> > Now, against the odds doesn't mean impossible
> > (because the probability never reaches zero).
> Show
> > me the math that states that a supernatural
> agent
> > is more possible than not.
>
> You're currect that it's a statistical argument,
> and the odds are infinitesimally tiny. I base that
> assessment on the 2nd Law, our inability to
> adequately define life, our inability to find life
> (so far) anywhere else than the few mile thick
> surface of our own planet, and the fact that life
> exists at all.

Why?

Here's another possibility: life is an immutable property of the universe. And another: the universe itself is evolving, and life is simply the next step.


> > > As was previously mentioned, if a non-random
> > > 'intelligence' is responsible for setting up
> the
> > > design, what created that 'intelligence'?
> >
> > Passing the buck fallacy. It fails to apply the
> > same rules to the problem when it comes to God.
> > And then you're back to infinite regression.
> >
> > In short, it solves nothing.
>
> Not sure what you mean by that. It's not passing
> the buck, it's allowing the logical reiterative
> paradigm to those who believe the universe is
> indeed infinite. Almost by definition, it's
> passing the buck to claim that the universe is
> infinite in space and time.

I didn't claim that space and time are infinite.

It's passing the buck to claim (as IDers and creationists do) that life on Earth MUST have been created, but God is subject to special rules exempting him from that question, and wasn't designed or created. It's more special pleading, but passing the buck does apply.


>
> What rules apply to God? And if God
> is "intelligent", where did that intelligence come
> from? Is God getting smarter? Is God subject to
> the laws of thermodynamics? Does God follow the
> laws of statistics?

Wouldn't we all love to know that. LOL In If he designed and created it, why wouldn't he be subject to it himself?

The problem with ID is that it doesn't set out any rules or parameters for their as yet nameless intelligent designer. Even magic has clearly delineated limitations.


> If the laws of physics don't apply to God,
> how do we account for God!

And therein lies the rub!

In the spring, at the end of the day, you should smell like earth. ~ Margaret Atwood



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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 338 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 348 rodz111 21-Jan-18 15:52
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 309 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 438 Aine 29-Dec-17 23:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 328 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 11:12
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 373 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:10
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 339 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:47
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 293 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 17:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 308 Aine 30-Dec-17 17:57
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 18:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 296 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 18:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 327 M. J. Thomas 30-Dec-17 20:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 326 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 21:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 256 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 22:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 Sirfiroth 30-Dec-17 23:35
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 369 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 262 cladking 30-Dec-17 19:11
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 310 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:04
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 262 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 18:46
Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 365 Reagent 30-Dec-17 02:49
Re: Ongoing multidisciplinary studies across academia . . . 255 MichaelG 08-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 358 Thunderbird 30-Dec-17 04:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 297 Susan Doris 30-Dec-17 13:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 313 Thunderbird 31-Dec-17 18:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 272 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 203 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 389 Vanya 30-Dec-17 14:25
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 284 Aine 30-Dec-17 14:48
Not necessarily Christian 291 drrayeye 30-Dec-17 22:26
Re: Not necessarily Christian 284 Vanya 31-Dec-17 09:06
Re: Not necessarily Christian 239 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 03:48
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 274 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 16:59
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 261 brett z 31-Dec-17 17:16
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 248 brett z 31-Dec-17 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 247 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 230 brett z 01-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 227 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:07
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Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 235 Aine 31-Dec-17 17:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 274 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 253 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 272 Aine 31-Dec-17 19:31
What about Multiverse ? 282 Vanya 01-Jan-18 12:19
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 265 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 255 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 187 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 222 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:13
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 290 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 08:47
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 12:57
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 306 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 13:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 268 drrayeye 31-Dec-17 14:13
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 15:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 01:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 brett z 01-Jan-18 02:08
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 285 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:11
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 236 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 07:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:32
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:25
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:29
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Re: driving force 239 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:59
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 217 brett z 02-Jan-18 03:31
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 271 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 05:15
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 313 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 329 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 15:05
entropy 237 brett z 03-Jan-18 15:45
Re: entropy 259 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 16:22
Re: entropy 234 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:56
Re: entropy 290 brett z 03-Jan-18 21:15
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:45
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 177 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:26
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 273 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 17:07
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:16
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 186 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 21:26
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:27
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:55
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 brett z 06-Jan-18 17:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 cladking 06-Jan-18 20:06
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 254 Thunderbird 06-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 207 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 215 Thunderbird 08-Jan-18 05:59
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 277 Thunderbird 09-Jan-18 16:55
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 260 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 07:40
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 241 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 18:57
Re: Masonic History 223 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Masonic History 226 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Masonic History 236 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:35
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 220 Susan Doris 10-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 157 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:00
Re: The speed of Thought : ) 210 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:31
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 339 Susan Doris 11-Jan-18 06:42
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 208 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:20
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Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 228 Audrey 11-Jan-18 02:26
Re: UBW/nt 222 Thunderbird 11-Jan-18 03:25
Re: Cosmic Parallels ... 255 cladking 10-Jan-18 14:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 199 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Thunderbird 02-Jan-18 21:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 206 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 267 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 246 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 244 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 214 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 213 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 330 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
Re: Directed Panspermia 256 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:11
Re: Directed Panspermia 220 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
Re: Directed Panspermia 211 Origyptian 05-Jan-18 19:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 309 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 199 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 174 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 171 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 193 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 308 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 216 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 226 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 188 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 195 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 204 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 245 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
Re: It's impossible 193 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:32
Re: It's impossible 219 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 227 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
Re: It's impossible 218 brett z 01-Jan-18 23:57
Re: It's impossible 204 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 00:15
anthropic principle 298 brett z 02-Jan-18 00:21
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Re: anthropic principle 268 brett z 02-Jan-18 12:16
What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 321 Vanya 02-Jan-18 16:19
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 207 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:59
Re: What Primates Teach Us About Being Human 235 Vanya 02-Jan-18 17:14
Re: It's impossible 217 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 227 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 243 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 213 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 224 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 179 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 225 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
Re: It's impossible 203 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:20
Re: It's impossible 170 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:23
Re: It's impossible 172 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 188 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 213 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
Re: It's impossible 275 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 10:12
Re: It's impossible 202 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:36
Re: It's impossible 252 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 189 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 172 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 250 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 23:26
Re: Bioplasma 196 Thunderbird 04-Jan-18 03:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 281 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 266 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
Re: Laugh or cry? 293 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 14:21
About time for you to learn about atheism 228 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:20
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 220 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 18:03
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 275 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:21
Re: About time for you to learn about atheism 254 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:52
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 255 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 259 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:54
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 231 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 08:23
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 267 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 08:29
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Jon Ellison 02-Jan-18 09:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 11:20
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 290 eyeofhorus33 31-Dec-17 15:39
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 315 eli stills 31-Dec-17 16:56
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 294 cladking 31-Dec-17 17:59
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 280 Susan Doris 31-Dec-17 18:23
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 260 cladking 31-Dec-17 19:49
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 magisterchessmutt 31-Dec-17 20:56
But I lack the pictures! n/t 289 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 255 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 275 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 296 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 04:15
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 284 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 05:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 191 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 201 Thanos5150 01-Jan-18 23:12
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 211 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 180 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 18:55
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:34
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 185 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 226 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 233 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 02:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 329 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 05:44
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 199 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:50
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 230 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 227 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:32
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 291 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 190 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 251 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 212 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 173 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 208 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
Kerala 2016 229 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Kerala 2016 201 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:38
Re: Kerala 2016 216 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:16
and Back to Nigeria 2017 197 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 05:43
Re: and Back to Nigeria 2017 247 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:16
Medjugorje - May 2010 201 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 239 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 223 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 204 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 164 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 176 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 180 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 198 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 197 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 199 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 245 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 219 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 224 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 191 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 214 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 174 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 193 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 190 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 219 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 242 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 212 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 253 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 265 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 269 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 233 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 265 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 193 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 198 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 174 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 268 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 231 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 205 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 201 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 220 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 245 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 240 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 232 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 276 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 252 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 249 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 290 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 237 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 279 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 192 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 320 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 300 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 256 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 271 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 269 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 206 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 258 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 174 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 226 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 270 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 213 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 247 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 228 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 258 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 216 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 263 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 262 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 230 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 208 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 247 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 219 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 211 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 219 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 252 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 245 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 243 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 204 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 205 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 184 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 227 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 200 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 207 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 241 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 243 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 287 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 305 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 236 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 219 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 209 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 202 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 221 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 146 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 212 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 188 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 177 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 219 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 151 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 270 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 251 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 251 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 258 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 228 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 224 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 245 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 281 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 213 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 240 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 218 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 257 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 247 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 317 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 224 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 251 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 252 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 190 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 207 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 204 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 210 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 208 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 195 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 201 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 207 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 196 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 193 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 201 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 236 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 176 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 199 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 193 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 223 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 227 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 281 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 202 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 212 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 263 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 206 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 213 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 305 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 147 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 261 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 192 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 222 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 183 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 212 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 218 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 222 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 266 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 272 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 257 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 242 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 248 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 218 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 171 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 198 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 221 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 226 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 237 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 258 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 196 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 210 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 204 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 288 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 224 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 255 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 265 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 251 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 262 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 226 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 243 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 332 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 200 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 291 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 232 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 226 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 187 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 322 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 220 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 326 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 178 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 231 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 242 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 264 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 204 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 259 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 292 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 175 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 260 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 187 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 275 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 210 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 280 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 234 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 236 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 159 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 192 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 224 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 258 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 293 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 205 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 232 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 229 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 221 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 213 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 315 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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