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Thanos5150 Wrote:
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> With all due respect to Eli, the ability to quote
> scripture does not equate to "knowing". Far from
> it. Go to church on Sunday and despite the fact
> your minister can quote passages all day long I am
> certain they know little to nothing about history
> outside of the "history" told by the Bible and the
> interpretation of that "history" given to them by
> the church.
>


First off, no offense taken but I will point out that your assumption that I am ignorant of the relative history of the geo-political landscape is false. All you have done is base an argument on which culture wrote what first about shared experiences as opposed to which narrative of the event is most credible.

>
> If this were true there would be no Christians.
> Genesis 11:2:
> And it came to pass, as they [Noah's
> descendants after the Flood] journeyed from the
> east, that they found a plain in the land of
> Shinar; and they dwelt there.
>
> Shinar is the Hebrew word for Sumer, i.e. southern
> Mesopotamia. It is here writing was invented c.
> 3500BC in which the first books of the Bible [Old
> Testament] were written some 2700-3,000yrs later.
> Yahweh himself was not invented until c. 1400BC in
> which he was a conglomeration of other tribal gods
> and it was not until c. 900BC that Yahweh became a
> national god when the states of Israel and Judah
> were formed.
>
> If you read the Bible, you will see that Abraham,
> the patriarch of what would later become the
> Hebrews, lived in the city of Ur which tradition
> holds was sometime in the 19th century BC. Ur is
> an ancient Sumerian city which at that time was
> ruled by the Akkadians, also prolific writers, who
> ursupred Sumer c. 24th century BC under Sargon the
> Great. Abraham was Akkadian. Before him there was
> no such thing as a "Hebrew" and for long after for
> that matter. Nor was there any such thing as a
> Yahweh. There were however many other gods as well
> as a common
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,10
> 48435,page=1]Flood story[/url] which the Biblical
> tale is a much later revision. The Sumerians also
> had an "Adam", the first man created from clay by
> the gods. According to the Mesopotamian epic the
> Enuma Elish:
>

You appear to have attempted to provide a link to a forum discussion that is not working so I trust you'll understand if the following concerns were already addressed.

According to the available documents the title Yahweh is first used in Gen 2 but he does not reveal himself (setting aside his alleged role in the creation and flood stories) until after the time when humanity began to establish nations with national gods because he wanted to establish a nation to represent himself according to the narrative. Furthermore, the unique innovation to the region of the Yahwists was the development of a monotheistic principle which obviously was not the result of influence from a polytheistic society. So I don’t understand the value of this argument at all.


> [quote]When the gods like men
> Bore the work and suffered the toll
> The toil of the gods was great,
> The work was heavy, the distress was much.
>
> …
> In the clay, god and man
> Shall be bound,
> To a unity brought together;
> So that to the end of days
> The Flesh and the Soul
> Which in a god have ripened –
> That soul in a blood-kinship be bound.[/quote]
>

So, before Abraham existed there were no Hebrews who are descendants of Abraham?

Additionally, I would challenge the credulity of the argument that after 430 years of living under Egyptian rule the Hebrews wrote an account of creation that is influenced by the Sumerians just because Abraham was born there. Is it not a far more likely argument that the similarities of accounts of a flood are the result of various oral traditions about a shared historical event. The narrative of the bible simply makes the claim that it’s source of information is the revelation of a god rather than tradition.

As to other similarities. We all experience similar forces of nature, the same celestial events and have seen that the dead turn to dust. A distinct difference in these narratives is the belief that the gods created humanity to serve them as opposed to a god attempting to create other gods ("in his image he created man") by perfecting the character of humanity.


> No Yahweh, sorry. Never heard of him as he would
> not be invented for another 1,000yrs or more. The
> fact is, intellectually and historically speaking,
> when you look at actual history prior to the first
> books of the Bible being written, most having not
> existed yet being largely a response of Hebrew
> tradition being wiped out by the Babylonian
> conquest of Judah under Nebuchadnezzar II in
> 597BC, despite volume after volume of writing from
> numerous cultures-there is no evidence whatsoever
> to corroborate one word of the supernatural
> actions of the Hebrew god Yahweh in any way shape
> or form. No one cared, and again, keep in mind
> that there was over 2,000yrs of writing before
> Yahweh was even invented. So no one knew of him
> before and other than the Hebrews no one cared
> after.
>

I’m always surprised by this argument in that first of all it assumes that a loyal polytheist would go to the trouble (not so easy as putting pen to paper) of recording the beliefs, victories and failures of a small monotheistic society. Additionally, I find it astounding that the accuracy of the attributes of the Egyptian gods as told in the Biblical account of the war of the Gods (Exodus) has not been a greater focus at GHMB.

> Jesus is no better and the fact is the Old
> Testament and New Testament were never meant to be
> joined together. The Dead Sea Scrolls were written
> between 150BC and 70AD, otherwise directly before,
> during, and after Jesus lived and were written by
> the Essenes, one of the main Jewish sects of the
> period. And not one single word mentions "Jesus".
> Never heard of him. Don;t you think it strange
> that the most religious believers of the Old
> Testament, who lived during and after Jesus
> supposedly lived, never heard of him? Nor did the
> Romans of whose empire Jesus went around
> supposedly performing miracles in front of
> sometimes thousands of people? Yes no one thought
> to write any of this down in the most literate
> place on earth at the time? Hmmm.
>

Again, why would anyone assume that a foreign nation would write about the life and times of a perceived Jewish false Messiah that was crucified and died like so many other criminals of his day. Why would the Jewish scribes record that the Sanhedrin had him killed by providing false testimony regarding claims that he had not made due to their fear of Roman intervention in their national affairs.

No, I don’t think that this is at all strange. Is it strange to you that such an alleged insignificant figure would be worshiped by so many 2000 years later?


> Sorry, but to predicate one's beliefs in
> Christianity on a "purely intellectual and
> historical level" is to not know history.

Really?

Eli

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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 21:30
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 287 Aine 02-Jan-18 22:59
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 263 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 255 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:01
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 278 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 03:14
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 236 Audrey 02-Jan-18 06:05
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 342 Origyptian 02-Jan-18 13:05
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Re: Directed Panspermia 234 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:27
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 317 cladking 31-Dec-17 15:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 219 cladking 02-Jan-18 03:38
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 03:58
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:18
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 189 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:33
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 182 cladking 02-Jan-18 04:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 220 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 05:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 222 Origyptian 31-Dec-17 17:10
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 207 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:19
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 242 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 257 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:56
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 319 Aine 01-Jan-18 03:49
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 228 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 08:09
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 209 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 09:37
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 238 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 17:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 245 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 17:28
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 224 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 17:41
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 223 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 20:17
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 199 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 17:57
It's impossible 207 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:58
Re: It's impossible 215 Origyptian 01-Jan-18 22:22
Re: It's impossible 255 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:40
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Re: It's impossible 232 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:42
Re: It's impossible 252 Eddie Larry 01-Jan-18 23:02
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Re: It's impossible 230 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:46
Re: It's impossible 242 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 15:40
Re: It's impossible 263 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 16:47
Re: It's impossible 226 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: It's impossible 234 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:50
Re: It's impossible 190 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 18:04
Re: It's impossible 235 Aine 02-Jan-18 18:07
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Re: It's impossible 185 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:05
Re: It's impossible 204 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 23:30
Re: It's impossible 228 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:25
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Re: It's impossible 264 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:28
Re: It's impossible 200 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 04:57
Re: It's impossible 188 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 06:39
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 261 Audrey 01-Jan-18 21:00
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 21:21
Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 203 Audrey 01-Jan-18 22:38
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Re: , Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 298 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 10:40
Laugh or cry? 280 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 13:00
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But I lack the pictures! n/t 299 cladking 31-Dec-17 21:25
My interpretation 263 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:35
Re: My interpretation 290 Aine 01-Jan-18 02:46
not to me 311 drrayeye 01-Jan-18 02:54
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Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 303 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 202 eli stills 03-Jan-18 02:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 262 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 23:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 221 eli stills 04-Jan-18 02:11
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 183 Origyptian 04-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 229 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 06:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 251 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 274 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 19:17
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 251 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:22
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 225 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 23:25
Kerala 2016 239 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Kerala 2016 216 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 23:38
Re: Kerala 2016 236 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:16
and Back to Nigeria 2017 215 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 05:43
Re: and Back to Nigeria 2017 257 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 16:16
Medjugorje - May 2010 212 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 248 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 241 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:21
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 218 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:58
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 173 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 04:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 190 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 198 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 212 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 20:51
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 207 Eddie Larry 07-Jan-18 20:59
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 210 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:18
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 256 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 21:42
See ya, Phil 228 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 22:31
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 234 Eddie Larry 08-Jan-18 06:20
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 200 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 225 Jon Ellison 07-Jan-18 21:32
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 195 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 203 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:15
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 209 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 228 Poster Boy 08-Jan-18 03:46
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 258 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Medjugorje - May 2010 221 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 14:57
Proselytizing: Not 265 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 01:26
Re: Proselytizing: Not 274 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Proselytizing: Not 284 Poster Boy 09-Jan-18 05:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 243 Origyptian 09-Jan-18 14:05
Re: Proselytizing: Not 277 Susan Doris 09-Jan-18 14:41
13-Year Inquiry 209 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 03:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 208 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 19:00
Re: 13-Year Inquiry 187 Poster Boy 07-Jan-18 19:20
Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 285 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:02
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 249 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 21:43
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 215 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 22:28
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 221 Thanos5150 03-Jan-18 22:51
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 233 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 00:03
Re: Exodus, Hebrews Yahweh etc 254 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 00:58
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 221 eli stills 02-Jan-18 03:01
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 234 Thanos5150 02-Jan-18 06:07
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 264 eli stills 02-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 253 Eddie Larry 02-Jan-18 16:46
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 254 Thunderbird 01-Jan-18 20:24
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 248 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 286 Aine 02-Jan-18 00:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 265 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 292 Aine 02-Jan-18 01:02
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 268 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 01:21
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 306 eli stills 02-Jan-18 17:19
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 270 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:37
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 247 eyeofhorus33 02-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 243 eli stills 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 293 eli stills 01-Jan-18 20:54
Re: Intelligent Design is a form of atheism 210 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 330 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 03:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 310 Susan Doris 01-Jan-18 06:23
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 06:45
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 282 eli stills 01-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 282 Poster Boy 01-Jan-18 19:02
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 MichaelG 02-Jan-18 17:18
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 306 Aine 02-Jan-18 17:44
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 217 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:28
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 284 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:33
Genes Drive "Evolution". 269 cladking 03-Jan-18 15:43
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 185 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:26
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:38
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 280 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 17:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 224 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 259 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 07:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 275 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:56
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 227 cladking 03-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 290 Aine 03-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 275 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 239 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:55
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 218 cladking 03-Jan-18 20:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 243 Eddie Larry 03-Jan-18 21:12
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 Aine 03-Jan-18 23:30
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 228 cladking 04-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 Archaic 04-Jan-18 02:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 cladking 04-Jan-18 03:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 266 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 15:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 255 Aine 04-Jan-18 15:40
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 275 Thanos5150 04-Jan-18 16:07
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 254 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 245 cladking 04-Jan-18 16:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:35
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 233 cladking 06-Jan-18 18:37
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 237 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 12:47
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:28
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 201 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:45
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 238 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 16:53
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 210 cladking 08-Jan-18 19:48
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 217 cladking 08-Jan-18 14:59
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 261 cladking 04-Jan-18 15:39
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 257 Vanya 04-Jan-18 16:10
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 251 cladking 04-Jan-18 17:14
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 295 Vanya 04-Jan-18 18:05
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 317 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 18:11
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 248 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:41
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 229 Vanya 06-Jan-18 19:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 229 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 05:29
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 212 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 17:22
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 cladking 06-Jan-18 17:46
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 164 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 256 cladking 07-Jan-18 18:27
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 222 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:52
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 215 Origyptian 07-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 192 Audrey 08-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 232 Thunderbird 10-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 165 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 18:00
Re: Genes Drive "Evolution". 246 cladking 03-Jan-18 21:03
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 281 Susan Doris 02-Jan-18 19:06
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:41
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 268 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 18:38
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 275 cladking 04-Jan-18 18:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 241 cladking 02-Jan-18 19:22
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 235 MichaelG 04-Jan-18 16:45
Design makes sense 259 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 19:49
Re: Design makes sense 295 Aine 02-Jan-18 19:59
Re: Design makes sense 223 brett z 02-Jan-18 20:03
Re: Design makes sense 251 Aine 02-Jan-18 20:05
Re: Design makes sense 231 drrayeye 02-Jan-18 20:31
Re: Design makes sense 267 Aine 03-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Design makes sense 261 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 06:05
Plans and the structure of behavior 349 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 09:09
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 234 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 09:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 262 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:26
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 262 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:46
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 208 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 12:38
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 222 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 14:40
Executive Subroutines 218 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 16:09
Re: Executive Subroutines 219 Origyptian 06-Jan-18 01:14
Re: Executive Subroutines 247 cladking 06-Jan-18 01:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 219 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:34
Re: Executive Subroutines 215 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 211 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:23
Re: Executive Subroutines 221 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:25
Re: Executive Subroutines 209 cladking 07-Jan-18 02:51
Re: Executive Subroutines 206 Audrey 07-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 213 cladking 07-Jan-18 04:53
Re: Executive Subroutines 256 Audrey 08-Jan-18 03:03
Re: Executive Subroutines 191 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:42
Re: Executive Subroutines 216 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 05:45
Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 201 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 06:28
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 235 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 08:36
Not a great start 247 drrayeye 06-Jan-18 10:32
Re: Not a great start 291 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 12:10
Re: Intelligent atheists and ID: Your reading list is long 220 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 223 Audrey 06-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 275 Susan Doris 06-Jan-18 09:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 215 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Executive Subroutines 230 Audrey 07-Jan-18 02:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 322 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 07:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 158 cladking 07-Jan-18 14:29
Re: Executive Subroutines 272 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 14:45
Re: Executive Subroutines 201 cladking 07-Jan-18 16:36
Re: Executive Subroutines 235 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 17:54
Re: Executive Subroutines 194 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Executive Subroutines 222 cladking 07-Jan-18 19:52
Re: Executive Subroutines 227 cladking 07-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Executive Subroutines 241 Susan Doris 07-Jan-18 23:32
Re: Executive Subroutines 294 cladking 08-Jan-18 00:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 284 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 06:11
Re: Executive Subroutines 271 cladking 21-Jan-18 02:04
Re: Executive Subroutines 258 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 13:17
Re: Executive Subroutines 262 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 13:39
Re: Executive Subroutines 231 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 16:57
Re: Executive Subroutines 185 cladking 08-Jan-18 17:05
Re: Executive Subroutines 253 Susan Doris 08-Jan-18 17:33
Re: Executive Subroutines 209 cladking 06-Jan-18 15:38
Re: Executive Subroutines 234 Eddie Larry 06-Jan-18 15:52
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 236 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 248 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: Plans and the structure of behavior 273 Aine 03-Jan-18 19:47
If you really want to know 208 drrayeye 04-Jan-18 04:04
Re: If you really want to know 220 Susan Doris 04-Jan-18 06:51
Re: If you really want to know 220 Aine 04-Jan-18 12:07
Re: Design makes sense 305 Susan Doris 03-Jan-18 00:15
Re: Design makes sense 239 cladking 03-Jan-18 16:30
Re: Design makes sense 267 drrayeye 03-Jan-18 19:34
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 284 Vanya 02-Jan-18 20:13
Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 277 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 20:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 272 Aine 02-Jan-18 23:01
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 264 Poster Boy 02-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 239 Aine 03-Jan-18 00:21
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 259 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 01:24
IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 350 Vanya 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 220 Aine 03-Jan-18 17:03
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 306 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:43
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 244 Vanya 03-Jan-18 19:31
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 250 Vanya 04-Jan-18 13:13
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 196 Poster Boy 04-Jan-18 20:22
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 331 Vanya 05-Jan-18 09:15
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 231 Poster Boy 05-Jan-18 20:06
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 341 Vanya 06-Jan-18 14:17
Re: IF .... THEN .... - Random, Mutation, Evolution 194 Poster Boy 06-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 244 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:38
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 252 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 14:27
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 290 Aine 03-Jan-18 16:29
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 215 Origyptian 03-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 276 cloister 03-Jan-18 22:14
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 281 cladking 03-Jan-18 17:13
Re: Random mutations and evolution... Intelligent Design and Human Origins 302 Poster Boy 03-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 196 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:49
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 272 gulsbo 06-Jan-18 19:39
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 195 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 04:48
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 296 gulsbo 08-Jan-18 20:45
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 227 Origyptian 08-Jan-18 21:44
Re: Intelligent Design and...Implementation? 290 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 254 MichaelG 09-Jan-18 21:53
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 251 cladking 09-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 255 gulsbo 10-Jan-18 19:13
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 167 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 202 Origyptian 10-Jan-18 22:00
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 256 cladking 11-Jan-18 01:54
Re: Intelligent Design and Human Origins 237 cladking 08-Jan-18 20:20
2 points 271 Warwick 10-Jan-18 18:33
Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 304 cladking 10-Jan-18 20:47
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee n/t 213 Warwick 10-Jan-18 20:58
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 245 cladking 10-Jan-18 21:11
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 250 MichaelG 17-Jan-18 18:26
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 234 cladking 17-Jan-18 18:42
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 224 Audrey 17-Jan-18 23:39
Re: Mebbe it was designed by committee 326 Warwick 17-Jan-18 23:52


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