Mysteries :  The Official GrahamHancock.com forums
For serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of human civilization. (NB: for more ‘out there’ posts we point you in the direction of the ‘Paranormal & Supernatural’ Message Board). 
Welcome! Log InRegister
Usimare Setepenre Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The amount of work necessary to quarry, cut,
> shape, transport, and haul the stones was
> precisely how the twenty year estimate was arrived
> at. Might I suggest that you read the scholarly
> works of Egyptologists such Mark Kenner and
> Miroslav Verner, as well as Houdin's monograph
> itself if you want to know just how very capable
> it is to build Egypt's many pyramids using copper
> and wooden implements, manpower, and ramps. There
> is even some evidence in the form of ox bones
> which suggests draught animals may have played
> some role in hauling the stones, which would have
> reduced the work load significantly as one ox is
> the equivalent of ten men in strength. Though
> admittedly, the use of large draught animals would
> only have been feasible for the construction of
> the lower third of the Great Pyramid which used
> four external ramps. The corridor for the internal
> ramp would have been too narrow for oxen.

So we replace ten men with one oxen.. How does this solve the logistical problems?
Breeding, feeding, husbandry to name but few.
You're simplistically replacing one problem with another.

You say that your "internal ramp" can only accommodate one oxen, Where is the evidence for your "internal ramp that can only accommodate one oxen" ??
Even if the "one oxen internal ramp" did exist, there's still a major problem with your hypothesis.
Maybe for the return journey the oxen rode a sled down the pyramid side due to the impassable one way traffic in the one oxen internal ramp!
Maybe the oxen were also constant and unending food supply for the men working aloft.
With the productivity of 1 block/three minutes they'd need all the protein and calories they could get!


>
> Regardless, the construction of the Great Pyramid
> within a mere twenty years was more than possible
> for the Egyptians of the Old Kingdom. Some
> scholars have even reduced the amount of time and
> manpower to 10 years and 10,000 men respectively.
> Though this would admittedly seem too low an
> estimate to me personally.

Three million blocks in twenty years equates too...

3,000 000/20 = 150,000 blocks per year.
150,000/52 = 2885 blocks per week.
2885/7 = 412 blocks per day.
412/24 = 17 blocks per hour.
17/60 = 0.286 blocks per minute.

That's about one block every three minutes, twenty four seven for twenty years. No coffee breaks.
If we're only working daylight hours that rate of production needs to double.
One block quarried cut and fitted every one minute thirty seconds.
Fuelled by ascending oxen?

Here's a simple production engineering problem for you.
If a single block train .. block + ropes + men measures 20 meters long + distance between block trains say 5 meters resulting in a block train pitch of 25 meters, at what speed would each individual block train have to travel and maintain in order to deliver a block every three minutes??



>
> Now let me ask you a question. Has any fringe
> writer with advanced knowledge of the tools and
> construction techniques of antiquity ever
> investigated if it would have been possible to
> build the Great Pyramid using Bronze Age
> technology? Because the only fringe theorists of
> whom I am aware that have delved into these
> matters, are amateurs, authors, and men with
> philosophy degrees.

Please define "advanced knowledge"..
Is there more than the archaeological record suggests?
If so, where is it?

What metallurgy in quantity was available to the 4th AE?
What other materials in quantity were available to the 4th AE?
What precision measuring instruments were available to the 4th AE?
What mathematics was available to the 4th AE?

I'm a retired engineer. Hence my scepticism.. Still delving.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 13-Jan-18 15:45 by Jon Ellison.

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Views Written By Posted
Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 1807 nellyjesus28 27-Nov-17 04:38
Mod Note > Topic Moved 443 Dr. Troglodyte 27-Nov-17 17:01
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 400 Usimare Setepenre 12-Jan-18 18:49
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 327 Origyptian 14-Jan-18 17:12
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 292 DUNE 14-Jan-18 18:12
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 321 Open mind 12-Jan-18 20:09
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 330 Barbelo 12-Jan-18 20:20
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 358 cladking 12-Jan-18 20:22
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 430 Usimare Setepenre 12-Jan-18 21:08
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 320 cladking 12-Jan-18 22:04
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 311 Barbelo 12-Jan-18 23:47
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 323 Open mind 12-Jan-18 23:54
Just Another Wacko Theory 322 Barbelo 13-Jan-18 00:31
Re: Just Another Wacko Theory 312 cladking 13-Jan-18 00:36
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 360 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 02:23
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 335 Open mind 13-Jan-18 02:44
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 305 John B 13-Jan-18 03:05
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 320 Open mind 13-Jan-18 03:24
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 294 John B 13-Jan-18 03:45
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 289 cladking 13-Jan-18 04:26
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 307 Audrey 13-Jan-18 04:27
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 285 cladking 13-Jan-18 04:32
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 273 cladking 13-Jan-18 04:24
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 293 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 04:08
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 272 Nemobutwhatiimagian 13-Jan-18 22:06
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 280 cladking 13-Jan-18 04:22
Pyramid Text Explanations Are Superfluous 390 Barbelo 13-Jan-18 03:04
Re: Pyramid Text Explanations Are Superfluous 316 John B 13-Jan-18 03:31
Re: Pyramid Text Explanations Are Superfluous 258 Barbelo 13-Jan-18 04:04
Re: Pyramid Text Explanations Are Superfluous 271 cladking 13-Jan-18 04:30
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 339 cladking 13-Jan-18 04:17
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 297 Audrey 13-Jan-18 04:26
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 305 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 04:57
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 301 Audrey 13-Jan-18 05:42
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 292 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 14:46
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 287 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:56
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 280 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 16:25
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 242 cladking 13-Jan-18 16:54
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 228 Audrey 13-Jan-18 18:52
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 231 Origyptian 14-Jan-18 19:33
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 212 Origyptian 14-Jan-18 19:25
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 333 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 10:22
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 287 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 14:08
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 257 cladking 13-Jan-18 14:43
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 304 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 14:54
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 273 cladking 13-Jan-18 15:45
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 232 Origyptian 16-Jan-18 20:15
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 222 Jon Ellison 17-Jan-18 14:56
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 227 Origyptian 17-Jan-18 19:32
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 273 Jon Ellison 17-Jan-18 23:11
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 258 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 15:30
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 282 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 16:34
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 230 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 16:40
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 274 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 16:55
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 262 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 253 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 17:12
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 244 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 17:23
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 278 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 17:25
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 271 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 18:03
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 279 cladking 13-Jan-18 18:06
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 276 Audrey 13-Jan-18 18:56
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 297 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 19:16
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 225 Audrey 13-Jan-18 21:42
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 328 Merrell 13-Jan-18 20:33
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 269 Audrey 13-Jan-18 21:51
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 256 eyeofhorus33 13-Jan-18 23:14
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 232 Audrey 13-Jan-18 18:43
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 264 cladking 13-Jan-18 16:08
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 230 Origyptian 14-Jan-18 19:38
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 283 Thanos5150 13-Jan-18 17:32
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 303 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 17:40
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 271 cladking 13-Jan-18 17:58
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 232 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 22:21
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 262 cladking 13-Jan-18 22:48
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 266 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 22:57
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 291 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 18:10
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 313 Rickard 13-Jan-18 21:46
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 274 Usimare Setepenre 13-Jan-18 22:23
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 223 Open mind 14-Jan-18 19:42
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 285 Thanos5150 14-Jan-18 00:30
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 281 cladking 14-Jan-18 00:46
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 279 Usimare Setepenre 14-Jan-18 03:17
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 291 Audrey 14-Jan-18 04:46
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 289 Usimare Setepenre 14-Jan-18 05:43
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 293 Audrey 14-Jan-18 06:15
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 248 Martin Stower 14-Jan-18 12:15
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 293 Usimare Setepenre 14-Jan-18 14:42
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 354 Open mind 14-Jan-18 20:01
Just Curious 289 WonderWho 14-Jan-18 12:56
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 242 Martin Stower 14-Jan-18 00:24
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 252 Thanos5150 14-Jan-18 00:30
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 245 Origyptian 14-Jan-18 18:44
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 298 Open mind 12-Jan-18 22:22
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 300 cladking 13-Jan-18 04:43
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 278 Audrey 13-Jan-18 05:47
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 262 kirass 18-Jan-18 14:03
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 217 Origyptian 18-Jan-18 17:51
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 269 Anonymous User 18-Jan-18 19:15
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 352 kirass 19-Jan-18 05:47
Re: Theory about why they built the pyramids. Mr Graham. 362 kirass 19-Jan-18 05:55


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.