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Apap Wrote:
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> From the numbers I can find it seems as if the
> coffer is just less than half an inch wider than
> the lowest point of the AP.

Interestingly Petrie states.. Great Pyramid Ch 3 Page 21, that the lower granite plug block is 38.2 inches wide.
Which compares with a maximum coffer width of 38.507 inches. A difference of just 0.307 of an inch, over two sides!
0.1535 of an inch per side.

Although we must bear in mind that the plug block is an interference fit.
We must also bear in mind the by modern standards relatively primitive measuring equipment used by Petrie.

Since the rest of the
> passages seem to be tailor-made for the
> sarcophagus to pass through (the DP, the majority
> of the AP, and the passages leading to the KC) is
> it possible that the lower AP was finished last,
> just prior to releasing the plug blocks?

The block arrangement at the lower extremity of the AP was totally buried in masonry. Therefore accurate data from this region is scarce. There is visual access to some of the western side caused by the Mamoun excavation, however I'm not aware of any serious attempt to survey and tabulate dimensions and block types.. girdle, compound girdle, multi block etc.


It would
> make sense from a labor stand-point to offer a
> larger tunnel during construction and block it up
> on the way out.

I think I see your point. Effectively building a larger tunnel and then lining it afterwards? From the top down?
I guess it's possible. The only argument against it that I can see would be the difficulty in installation of the full girdles that are at the lower end, above and adjacent to the plug Blocks. (Illustrated in the M&R drawings).


John, you're the expert on the
> weird-ass AP stone-work- do you see anything that
> could imply this?

It's certainly "weird ass" in many ways.
To be honest and at this time the chronology of construction is of little interest to me.
I'm at present more interested in the design processes.
It certainly could have been designed from the top down. The 'form follows function' trail.

The AP and AC are features that are at present not fully understood. Very little serious work has been done or published.
IMO these two features best demonstrate and possibly hold the key to the overall design philosophy until further discoveries are made and data published.

I'm currently trying to understand the design elements and the directly observable physical relationships within these two features.
Hence my observations regarding the physical and geometrical correlations between the coffer and the antechamber.

I can accept one coincidence, but a coincidence squared, cubed and even to the power of four I find difficult to accept :)

Lastly there seems to be a a certain amount of myth and hearsay floating around. I was previously under the distinct impression that the coffer wouldn't fit into the KC entrance, I was also under the impression that the coffer couldn't be negotiated around the AP DP intersection due to the passage angles, which if the Petrie measurements and M&R drawings are accurate clearly isn't the case.

I'd recommend reading Dune's thread. Observational, analytical and most importantly not opinionated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18-Nov-17 09:39 by Jon Ellison.

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Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 2556 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 21:06
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 384 Sirfiroth 16-Nov-17 22:08
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 421 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:01
Irrelevant 343 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:26
Re: Irrelevant 361 Jon Ellison 17-Nov-17 09:01
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 311 Origyptian 16-Nov-17 23:10
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 348 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:18
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 354 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:27
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 267 cladking 17-Nov-17 15:35
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 373 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:43
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 288 cladking 18-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Wave form systems 294 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Wave form systems 228 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 18:41
Re: Wave form systems 373 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 23:00
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 192 John B 12-Jan-18 23:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 266 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 00:02
W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 435 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:24
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 354 Origyptian 17-Nov-17 04:32
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 353 Apap 17-Nov-17 23:01
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 270 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:35
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 303 Apap 21-Nov-17 00:55
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 295 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 06:08
on the other hand.... 277 Warwick 18-Nov-17 18:51
Re: on the other hand.... 314 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 19:41
Re: on the other hand.... 335 Origyptian 19-Nov-17 15:59
Re: on the other hand.... 293 Jon Ellison 20-Nov-17 19:13
Re: on the other hand.... 282 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 20:08
Re: on the other hand.... 220 DUNE 20-Nov-17 21:13
Re: on the other hand.... 222 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 22:39
Re: on the other hand.... 174 M. J. Thomas 20-Nov-17 23:53
Re: on the other hand.... 256 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 08:43
Re: on the other hand.... 240 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 09:48
Re: on the other hand.... 237 DUNE 21-Nov-17 10:29
Re: on the other hand.... 332 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 10:50
Re: on the other hand.... 254 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 11:19
Re: on the other hand.... 268 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 11:29
Re: on the other hand.... 263 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 13:38
Re: on the other hand.... 268 DUNE 21-Nov-17 15:54
Re: on the other hand.... 209 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:22
Re: on the other hand.... 220 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 16:30
Re: on the other hand.... 326 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:38
Re: on the other hand.... 173 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:48
Re: on the other hand.... 258 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:04
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 218 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 194 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:50
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 190 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:58
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 207 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 18:30
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 217 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 18:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 233 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:00
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 252 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:23
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 207 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:44
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 276 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 191 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:32
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 187 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:25
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 213 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 22:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 184 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 22:48
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 234 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 174 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:06
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 233 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:28
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 206 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:49
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 321 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 01:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 286 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 18:51
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 236 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:08
Re: on the other hand.... 190 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:43
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 301 Apap 22-Nov-17 18:14
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 310 Origyptian 22-Nov-17 19:13
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 395 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 22:02
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 337 Spiros 17-Nov-17 12:07
Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 353 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 02:31
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 218 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 11:26
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 212 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 207 Origyptian 25-Nov-17 19:02
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 229 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:08
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 193 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 228 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:17
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 310 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:57
Block Kings Chamber 501 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 10:38
Re: Block Kings Chamber 223 Open mind 12-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Block Kings Chamber 190 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 13:48
Re: Block Kings Chamber 161 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Block Kings Chamber 168 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:31
Re: Block Kings Chamber 150 Open mind 12-Jan-18 18:39
Re: Block Kings Chamber 163 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Block Kings Chamber 168 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:36
Re: Block Kings Chamber 205 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Block Kings Chamber 192 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 201 John B 12-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 184 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 23:25


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