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Apap Wrote:
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> From the numbers I can find it seems as if the
> coffer is just less than half an inch wider than
> the lowest point of the AP.

Interestingly Petrie states.. Great Pyramid Ch 3 Page 21, that the lower granite plug block is 38.2 inches wide.
Which compares with a maximum coffer width of 38.507 inches. A difference of just 0.307 of an inch, over two sides!
0.1535 of an inch per side.

Although we must bear in mind that the plug block is an interference fit.
We must also bear in mind the by modern standards relatively primitive measuring equipment used by Petrie.

Since the rest of the
> passages seem to be tailor-made for the
> sarcophagus to pass through (the DP, the majority
> of the AP, and the passages leading to the KC) is
> it possible that the lower AP was finished last,
> just prior to releasing the plug blocks?

The block arrangement at the lower extremity of the AP was totally buried in masonry. Therefore accurate data from this region is scarce. There is visual access to some of the western side caused by the Mamoun excavation, however I'm not aware of any serious attempt to survey and tabulate dimensions and block types.. girdle, compound girdle, multi block etc.


It would
> make sense from a labor stand-point to offer a
> larger tunnel during construction and block it up
> on the way out.

I think I see your point. Effectively building a larger tunnel and then lining it afterwards? From the top down?
I guess it's possible. The only argument against it that I can see would be the difficulty in installation of the full girdles that are at the lower end, above and adjacent to the plug Blocks. (Illustrated in the M&R drawings).


John, you're the expert on the
> weird-ass AP stone-work- do you see anything that
> could imply this?

It's certainly "weird ass" in many ways.
To be honest and at this time the chronology of construction is of little interest to me.
I'm at present more interested in the design processes.
It certainly could have been designed from the top down. The 'form follows function' trail.

The AP and AC are features that are at present not fully understood. Very little serious work has been done or published.
IMO these two features best demonstrate and possibly hold the key to the overall design philosophy until further discoveries are made and data published.

I'm currently trying to understand the design elements and the directly observable physical relationships within these two features.
Hence my observations regarding the physical and geometrical correlations between the coffer and the antechamber.

I can accept one coincidence, but a coincidence squared, cubed and even to the power of four I find difficult to accept :)

Lastly there seems to be a a certain amount of myth and hearsay floating around. I was previously under the distinct impression that the coffer wouldn't fit into the KC entrance, I was also under the impression that the coffer couldn't be negotiated around the AP DP intersection due to the passage angles, which if the Petrie measurements and M&R drawings are accurate clearly isn't the case.

I'd recommend reading Dune's thread. Observational, analytical and most importantly not opinionated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18-Nov-17 09:39 by Jon Ellison.

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Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 2617 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 21:06
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 396 Sirfiroth 16-Nov-17 22:08
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 443 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:01
Irrelevant 358 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:26
Re: Irrelevant 376 Jon Ellison 17-Nov-17 09:01
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 328 Origyptian 16-Nov-17 23:10
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 360 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:18
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 373 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:27
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 285 cladking 17-Nov-17 15:35
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 390 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:43
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 299 cladking 18-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Wave form systems 305 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Wave form systems 241 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 18:41
Re: Wave form systems 386 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 23:00
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 203 John B 12-Jan-18 23:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 287 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 00:02
W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 449 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:24
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 374 Origyptian 17-Nov-17 04:32
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 382 Apap 17-Nov-17 23:01
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 279 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:35
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 335 Apap 21-Nov-17 00:55
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 306 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 06:08
on the other hand.... 290 Warwick 18-Nov-17 18:51
Re: on the other hand.... 320 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 19:41
Re: on the other hand.... 350 Origyptian 19-Nov-17 15:59
Re: on the other hand.... 310 Jon Ellison 20-Nov-17 19:13
Re: on the other hand.... 296 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 20:08
Re: on the other hand.... 235 DUNE 20-Nov-17 21:13
Re: on the other hand.... 238 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 22:39
Re: on the other hand.... 199 M. J. Thomas 20-Nov-17 23:53
Re: on the other hand.... 266 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 08:43
Re: on the other hand.... 248 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 09:48
Re: on the other hand.... 247 DUNE 21-Nov-17 10:29
Re: on the other hand.... 341 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 10:50
Re: on the other hand.... 265 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 11:19
Re: on the other hand.... 285 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 11:29
Re: on the other hand.... 272 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 13:38
Re: on the other hand.... 277 DUNE 21-Nov-17 15:54
Re: on the other hand.... 220 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:22
Re: on the other hand.... 230 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 16:30
Re: on the other hand.... 343 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:38
Re: on the other hand.... 186 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:48
Re: on the other hand.... 267 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:04
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 229 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 203 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:50
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 197 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:58
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 221 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 18:30
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 226 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 18:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 248 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:00
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 262 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:23
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 219 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:44
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 292 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 202 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:32
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 212 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:25
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 230 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 22:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 197 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 22:48
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 244 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 181 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:06
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 246 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:28
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 223 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:49
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 331 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 01:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 306 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 18:51
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 250 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:08
Re: on the other hand.... 211 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:43
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 316 Apap 22-Nov-17 18:14
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 325 Origyptian 22-Nov-17 19:13
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 414 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 22:02
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 351 Spiros 17-Nov-17 12:07
Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 361 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 02:31
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 231 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 11:26
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 222 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 218 Origyptian 25-Nov-17 19:02
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 237 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:08
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 215 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 253 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:17
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 337 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:57
Block Kings Chamber 549 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 10:38
Re: Block Kings Chamber 239 Open mind 12-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Block Kings Chamber 205 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 13:48
Re: Block Kings Chamber 170 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Block Kings Chamber 178 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:31
Re: Block Kings Chamber 166 Open mind 12-Jan-18 18:39
Re: Block Kings Chamber 185 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Block Kings Chamber 175 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:36
Re: Block Kings Chamber 216 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Block Kings Chamber 213 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 221 John B 12-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 205 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 23:25


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