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Apap Wrote:
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> From the numbers I can find it seems as if the
> coffer is just less than half an inch wider than
> the lowest point of the AP.

Interestingly Petrie states.. Great Pyramid Ch 3 Page 21, that the lower granite plug block is 38.2 inches wide.
Which compares with a maximum coffer width of 38.507 inches. A difference of just 0.307 of an inch, over two sides!
0.1535 of an inch per side.

Although we must bear in mind that the plug block is an interference fit.
We must also bear in mind the by modern standards relatively primitive measuring equipment used by Petrie.

Since the rest of the
> passages seem to be tailor-made for the
> sarcophagus to pass through (the DP, the majority
> of the AP, and the passages leading to the KC) is
> it possible that the lower AP was finished last,
> just prior to releasing the plug blocks?

The block arrangement at the lower extremity of the AP was totally buried in masonry. Therefore accurate data from this region is scarce. There is visual access to some of the western side caused by the Mamoun excavation, however I'm not aware of any serious attempt to survey and tabulate dimensions and block types.. girdle, compound girdle, multi block etc.


It would
> make sense from a labor stand-point to offer a
> larger tunnel during construction and block it up
> on the way out.

I think I see your point. Effectively building a larger tunnel and then lining it afterwards? From the top down?
I guess it's possible. The only argument against it that I can see would be the difficulty in installation of the full girdles that are at the lower end, above and adjacent to the plug Blocks. (Illustrated in the M&R drawings).


John, you're the expert on the
> weird-ass AP stone-work- do you see anything that
> could imply this?

It's certainly "weird ass" in many ways.
To be honest and at this time the chronology of construction is of little interest to me.
I'm at present more interested in the design processes.
It certainly could have been designed from the top down. The 'form follows function' trail.

The AP and AC are features that are at present not fully understood. Very little serious work has been done or published.
IMO these two features best demonstrate and possibly hold the key to the overall design philosophy until further discoveries are made and data published.

I'm currently trying to understand the design elements and the directly observable physical relationships within these two features.
Hence my observations regarding the physical and geometrical correlations between the coffer and the antechamber.

I can accept one coincidence, but a coincidence squared, cubed and even to the power of four I find difficult to accept :)

Lastly there seems to be a a certain amount of myth and hearsay floating around. I was previously under the distinct impression that the coffer wouldn't fit into the KC entrance, I was also under the impression that the coffer couldn't be negotiated around the AP DP intersection due to the passage angles, which if the Petrie measurements and M&R drawings are accurate clearly isn't the case.

I'd recommend reading Dune's thread. Observational, analytical and most importantly not opinionated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18-Nov-17 09:39 by Jon Ellison.

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Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 2466 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 21:06
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 372 Sirfiroth 16-Nov-17 22:08
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 388 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:01
Irrelevant 331 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:26
Re: Irrelevant 349 Jon Ellison 17-Nov-17 09:01
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 289 Origyptian 16-Nov-17 23:10
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 330 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:18
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 341 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:27
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 257 cladking 17-Nov-17 15:35
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 342 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:43
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 277 cladking 18-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Wave form systems 282 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Wave form systems 217 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 18:41
Re: Wave form systems 339 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 23:00
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 176 John B 12-Jan-18 23:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 244 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 00:02
W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 408 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:24
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 336 Origyptian 17-Nov-17 04:32
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 309 Apap 17-Nov-17 23:01
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 260 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:35
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 264 Apap 21-Nov-17 00:55
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 277 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 06:08
on the other hand.... 254 Warwick 18-Nov-17 18:51
Re: on the other hand.... 301 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 19:41
Re: on the other hand.... 314 Origyptian 19-Nov-17 15:59
Re: on the other hand.... 276 Jon Ellison 20-Nov-17 19:13
Re: on the other hand.... 254 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 20:08
Re: on the other hand.... 208 DUNE 20-Nov-17 21:13
Re: on the other hand.... 210 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 22:39
Re: on the other hand.... 159 M. J. Thomas 20-Nov-17 23:53
Re: on the other hand.... 246 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 08:43
Re: on the other hand.... 229 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 09:48
Re: on the other hand.... 225 DUNE 21-Nov-17 10:29
Re: on the other hand.... 311 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 10:50
Re: on the other hand.... 242 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 11:19
Re: on the other hand.... 242 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 11:29
Re: on the other hand.... 243 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 13:38
Re: on the other hand.... 255 DUNE 21-Nov-17 15:54
Re: on the other hand.... 196 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:22
Re: on the other hand.... 206 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 16:30
Re: on the other hand.... 276 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:38
Re: on the other hand.... 164 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:48
Re: on the other hand.... 240 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:04
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 207 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 176 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:50
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 174 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:58
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 188 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 18:30
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 183 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 18:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 220 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:00
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 233 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:23
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 183 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:44
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 256 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 177 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:32
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 170 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:25
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 195 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 22:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 168 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 22:48
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 223 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 155 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:06
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 222 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:28
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 187 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:49
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 304 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 01:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 264 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 18:51
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 226 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:08
Re: on the other hand.... 172 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:43
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 255 Apap 22-Nov-17 18:14
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 290 Origyptian 22-Nov-17 19:13
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 358 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 22:02
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 326 Spiros 17-Nov-17 12:07
Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 342 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 02:31
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 198 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 11:26
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 190 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 195 Origyptian 25-Nov-17 19:02
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 213 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:08
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 178 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 212 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:17
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 289 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:57
Block Kings Chamber 450 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 10:38
Re: Block Kings Chamber 213 Open mind 12-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Block Kings Chamber 176 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 13:48
Re: Block Kings Chamber 150 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Block Kings Chamber 148 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:31
Re: Block Kings Chamber 140 Open mind 12-Jan-18 18:39
Re: Block Kings Chamber 145 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Block Kings Chamber 156 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:36
Re: Block Kings Chamber 194 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Block Kings Chamber 179 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 182 John B 12-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 155 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 23:25


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