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Apap Wrote:
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> From the numbers I can find it seems as if the
> coffer is just less than half an inch wider than
> the lowest point of the AP.

Interestingly Petrie states.. Great Pyramid Ch 3 Page 21, that the lower granite plug block is 38.2 inches wide.
Which compares with a maximum coffer width of 38.507 inches. A difference of just 0.307 of an inch, over two sides!
0.1535 of an inch per side.

Although we must bear in mind that the plug block is an interference fit.
We must also bear in mind the by modern standards relatively primitive measuring equipment used by Petrie.

Since the rest of the
> passages seem to be tailor-made for the
> sarcophagus to pass through (the DP, the majority
> of the AP, and the passages leading to the KC) is
> it possible that the lower AP was finished last,
> just prior to releasing the plug blocks?

The block arrangement at the lower extremity of the AP was totally buried in masonry. Therefore accurate data from this region is scarce. There is visual access to some of the western side caused by the Mamoun excavation, however I'm not aware of any serious attempt to survey and tabulate dimensions and block types.. girdle, compound girdle, multi block etc.


It would
> make sense from a labor stand-point to offer a
> larger tunnel during construction and block it up
> on the way out.

I think I see your point. Effectively building a larger tunnel and then lining it afterwards? From the top down?
I guess it's possible. The only argument against it that I can see would be the difficulty in installation of the full girdles that are at the lower end, above and adjacent to the plug Blocks. (Illustrated in the M&R drawings).


John, you're the expert on the
> weird-ass AP stone-work- do you see anything that
> could imply this?

It's certainly "weird ass" in many ways.
To be honest and at this time the chronology of construction is of little interest to me.
I'm at present more interested in the design processes.
It certainly could have been designed from the top down. The 'form follows function' trail.

The AP and AC are features that are at present not fully understood. Very little serious work has been done or published.
IMO these two features best demonstrate and possibly hold the key to the overall design philosophy until further discoveries are made and data published.

I'm currently trying to understand the design elements and the directly observable physical relationships within these two features.
Hence my observations regarding the physical and geometrical correlations between the coffer and the antechamber.

I can accept one coincidence, but a coincidence squared, cubed and even to the power of four I find difficult to accept :)

Lastly there seems to be a a certain amount of myth and hearsay floating around. I was previously under the distinct impression that the coffer wouldn't fit into the KC entrance, I was also under the impression that the coffer couldn't be negotiated around the AP DP intersection due to the passage angles, which if the Petrie measurements and M&R drawings are accurate clearly isn't the case.

I'd recommend reading Dune's thread. Observational, analytical and most importantly not opinionated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18-Nov-17 09:39 by Jon Ellison.

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Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 2941 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 21:06
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 502 Sirfiroth 16-Nov-17 22:08
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 574 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:01
Irrelevant 455 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:26
Re: Irrelevant 495 Jon Ellison 17-Nov-17 09:01
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 428 Origyptian 16-Nov-17 23:10
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 456 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:18
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 508 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:27
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 413 cladking 17-Nov-17 15:35
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 500 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:43
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 389 cladking 18-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Wave form systems 410 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Wave form systems 331 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 18:41
Re: Wave form systems 491 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 23:00
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 293 John B 12-Jan-18 23:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 390 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 00:02
W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 555 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:24
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 474 Origyptian 17-Nov-17 04:32
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 485 Apap 17-Nov-17 23:01
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 371 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:35
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 484 Apap 21-Nov-17 00:55
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 414 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 06:08
on the other hand.... 381 Warwick 18-Nov-17 18:51
Re: on the other hand.... 418 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 19:41
Re: on the other hand.... 460 Origyptian 19-Nov-17 15:59
Re: on the other hand.... 410 Jon Ellison 20-Nov-17 19:13
Re: on the other hand.... 383 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 20:08
Re: on the other hand.... 339 DUNE 20-Nov-17 21:13
Re: on the other hand.... 331 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 22:39
Re: on the other hand.... 297 M. J. Thomas 20-Nov-17 23:53
Re: on the other hand.... 350 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 08:43
Re: on the other hand.... 340 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 09:48
Re: on the other hand.... 339 DUNE 21-Nov-17 10:29
Re: on the other hand.... 432 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 10:50
Re: on the other hand.... 365 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 11:19
Re: on the other hand.... 387 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 11:29
Re: on the other hand.... 355 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 13:38
Re: on the other hand.... 386 DUNE 21-Nov-17 15:54
Re: on the other hand.... 318 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:22
Re: on the other hand.... 323 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 16:30
Re: on the other hand.... 438 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:38
Re: on the other hand.... 279 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:48
Re: on the other hand.... 348 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:04
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 355 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 300 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:50
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 273 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:58
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 320 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 18:30
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 306 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 18:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 369 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:00
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 344 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:23
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 306 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:44
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 377 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 290 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:32
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 304 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:25
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 338 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 22:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 292 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 22:48
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 342 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 281 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:06
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 323 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:28
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 315 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:49
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 434 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 01:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 398 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 18:51
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 336 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:08
Re: on the other hand.... 291 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:43
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 447 Apap 22-Nov-17 18:14
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 436 Origyptian 22-Nov-17 19:13
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 535 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 22:02
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 445 Spiros 17-Nov-17 12:07
Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 455 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 02:31
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 344 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 11:26
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 331 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 310 Origyptian 25-Nov-17 19:02
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 331 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:08
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 303 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 357 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:17
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 476 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:57
Block Kings Chamber 838 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 10:38
Re: Block Kings Chamber 334 Open mind 12-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Block Kings Chamber 305 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 13:48
Re: Block Kings Chamber 263 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Block Kings Chamber 282 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:31
Re: Block Kings Chamber 259 Open mind 12-Jan-18 18:39
Re: Block Kings Chamber 286 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Block Kings Chamber 265 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:36
Re: Block Kings Chamber 298 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Block Kings Chamber 312 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 308 John B 12-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 298 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 23:25


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