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Apap Wrote:
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> From the numbers I can find it seems as if the
> coffer is just less than half an inch wider than
> the lowest point of the AP.

Interestingly Petrie states.. Great Pyramid Ch 3 Page 21, that the lower granite plug block is 38.2 inches wide.
Which compares with a maximum coffer width of 38.507 inches. A difference of just 0.307 of an inch, over two sides!
0.1535 of an inch per side.

Although we must bear in mind that the plug block is an interference fit.
We must also bear in mind the by modern standards relatively primitive measuring equipment used by Petrie.

Since the rest of the
> passages seem to be tailor-made for the
> sarcophagus to pass through (the DP, the majority
> of the AP, and the passages leading to the KC) is
> it possible that the lower AP was finished last,
> just prior to releasing the plug blocks?

The block arrangement at the lower extremity of the AP was totally buried in masonry. Therefore accurate data from this region is scarce. There is visual access to some of the western side caused by the Mamoun excavation, however I'm not aware of any serious attempt to survey and tabulate dimensions and block types.. girdle, compound girdle, multi block etc.


It would
> make sense from a labor stand-point to offer a
> larger tunnel during construction and block it up
> on the way out.

I think I see your point. Effectively building a larger tunnel and then lining it afterwards? From the top down?
I guess it's possible. The only argument against it that I can see would be the difficulty in installation of the full girdles that are at the lower end, above and adjacent to the plug Blocks. (Illustrated in the M&R drawings).


John, you're the expert on the
> weird-ass AP stone-work- do you see anything that
> could imply this?

It's certainly "weird ass" in many ways.
To be honest and at this time the chronology of construction is of little interest to me.
I'm at present more interested in the design processes.
It certainly could have been designed from the top down. The 'form follows function' trail.

The AP and AC are features that are at present not fully understood. Very little serious work has been done or published.
IMO these two features best demonstrate and possibly hold the key to the overall design philosophy until further discoveries are made and data published.

I'm currently trying to understand the design elements and the directly observable physical relationships within these two features.
Hence my observations regarding the physical and geometrical correlations between the coffer and the antechamber.

I can accept one coincidence, but a coincidence squared, cubed and even to the power of four I find difficult to accept :)

Lastly there seems to be a a certain amount of myth and hearsay floating around. I was previously under the distinct impression that the coffer wouldn't fit into the KC entrance, I was also under the impression that the coffer couldn't be negotiated around the AP DP intersection due to the passage angles, which if the Petrie measurements and M&R drawings are accurate clearly isn't the case.

I'd recommend reading Dune's thread. Observational, analytical and most importantly not opinionated.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18-Nov-17 09:39 by Jon Ellison.

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Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 2302 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 21:06
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 318 Sirfiroth 16-Nov-17 22:08
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 321 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:01
Irrelevant 281 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:26
Re: Irrelevant 303 Jon Ellison 17-Nov-17 09:01
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 244 Origyptian 16-Nov-17 23:10
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 280 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:18
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 299 Jon Ellison 16-Nov-17 23:27
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 210 cladking 17-Nov-17 15:35
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 292 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:43
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 231 cladking 18-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Wave form systems 237 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Wave form systems 174 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 18:41
Re: Wave form systems 296 Thunderbird 18-Nov-17 23:00
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 136 John B 12-Jan-18 23:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 196 Jon Ellison 13-Jan-18 00:02
W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 344 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Nov-17 00:24
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 288 Origyptian 17-Nov-17 04:32
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 250 Apap 17-Nov-17 23:01
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 214 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 09:35
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 210 Apap 21-Nov-17 00:55
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 228 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 06:08
on the other hand.... 213 Warwick 18-Nov-17 18:51
Re: on the other hand.... 254 Jon Ellison 18-Nov-17 19:41
Re: on the other hand.... 266 Origyptian 19-Nov-17 15:59
Re: on the other hand.... 233 Jon Ellison 20-Nov-17 19:13
Re: on the other hand.... 215 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 20:08
Re: on the other hand.... 175 DUNE 20-Nov-17 21:13
Re: on the other hand.... 169 Origyptian 20-Nov-17 22:39
Re: on the other hand.... 125 M. J. Thomas 20-Nov-17 23:53
Re: on the other hand.... 202 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 08:43
Re: on the other hand.... 186 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 09:48
Re: on the other hand.... 177 DUNE 21-Nov-17 10:29
Re: on the other hand.... 261 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 10:50
Re: on the other hand.... 200 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 11:19
Re: on the other hand.... 198 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 11:29
Re: on the other hand.... 200 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 13:38
Re: on the other hand.... 209 DUNE 21-Nov-17 15:54
Re: on the other hand.... 163 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:22
Re: on the other hand.... 165 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 16:30
Re: on the other hand.... 223 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 16:38
Re: on the other hand.... 127 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:48
Re: on the other hand.... 196 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:04
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 168 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 17:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 136 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:50
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 137 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 17:58
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 153 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 18:30
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 141 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 18:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 182 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:00
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 192 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:23
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 146 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:44
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 213 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 19:52
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 132 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:32
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 139 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 19:25
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 159 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 22:26
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 132 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 22:48
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 180 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 119 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:06
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 177 Jon Ellison 21-Nov-17 23:28
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 151 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 23:49
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 261 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 01:01
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 213 Thunderbird 21-Nov-17 18:51
Re: You gotta be kidding ! 191 M. J. Thomas 21-Nov-17 19:08
Re: on the other hand.... 144 Origyptian 21-Nov-17 17:43
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 186 Apap 22-Nov-17 18:14
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 244 Origyptian 22-Nov-17 19:13
Re: W. M. F. Petrie Speaks 298 Jon Ellison 22-Nov-17 22:02
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 278 Spiros 17-Nov-17 12:07
Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 293 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 02:31
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 152 Jon Ellison 25-Nov-17 11:26
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 148 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 147 Origyptian 25-Nov-17 19:02
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 164 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:08
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 146 Thunderbird 25-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 171 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:17
Re: Petrie Antechamber Groovy Grooves 230 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 01:57
Block Kings Chamber 357 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 10:38
Re: Block Kings Chamber 170 Open mind 12-Jan-18 06:32
Re: Block Kings Chamber 135 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 13:48
Re: Block Kings Chamber 120 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:07
Re: Block Kings Chamber 115 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:31
Re: Block Kings Chamber 104 Open mind 12-Jan-18 18:39
Re: Block Kings Chamber 103 Origyptian 12-Jan-18 18:47
Re: Block Kings Chamber 115 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:36
Re: Block Kings Chamber 160 Open mind 12-Jan-18 17:50
Re: Block Kings Chamber 131 Open mind 12-Jan-18 19:29
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 142 John B 12-Jan-18 21:57
Re: Great Pyramid, Kings Chamber, Coffer, Antechamber. 117 Jon Ellison 12-Jan-18 23:25


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