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Hanslune Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> ...
> > Give the guy a break.
>
> Why? When I come here I see you guys attacking
> orthodoxy on a daily basis - and declaring it
> overturned, yet you then do exactly the same thing
> the next day....puzzling

That's a false equivalency, so allow me to try to help you with that puzzle.

My compliant is about the hostility and arrogance, not the belief itself. I disagree with plenty of notions expressed in this forum, both traditional and alternative, but I don’t initiate harsh sarcasm and personal attacks.

I don't recall cladking initiating the personal insults and harsh sarcasm. Cladking’s perpsective not only hasn’t yet been proven to be fact, it also is not accepted by mainstream as fact and is not what fresh young minds are being taught to believe in school, nor is it what comprises the texts of higher learning that purport to decree the origins of mankind. Mainstream, on the other hand, not only believes its perspective is fact, it thinks its perspective has been proven to be fact to the extreme of monopolizing the academic domain with its unproven narrative and insulting others who dare to challenge them.

Everyone deserves to be heard as long as it’s kept civil in the public forum. Periodic challenge is a healthy way to validate (or invalidate) the strength of each expressed notion. I contend that we all are on our own to evaluate the merit of what's presented without resorting to hostilities.

I’ve challenged cladking many times to cite which PT utterances back up his interpretation, just as many traditionalists challenge him. And although I might be skeptical about his take on the PT here and there, I don’t get medieval on him.


> > Even the scientists that did that study haven't
> > pinpointed where that void is yet. Is it above
> > Campbell's chamber? Is it lower, at the top of the
> > GG? Is it angled parallel to GG? Is it angled to
> > the opposite incline of GG? How much east-west
> > tolerance is there in the data? Why not throw
> > stones at Nagoya while you're at it? After all,
> > they're the ones that claimed the expertise in the
> > technology in the first place, and tehy
> > still can't say for sure exactly where or
> > what that void is, and after spending how much on
> > the study so far?
>
> No idea what you are ranting about

That’s odd, because it speaks to the core of what I thought was your objection.


> > And why not reprimand the Egyptologists who
> > criticize the guys whose expertise lie in the
> > physics of muons, while they (Egyptologists) focus
> > on the languange and religion that have nothing
> > whatsoever to do with these scientific findings?
>
> You guys seem to do a good job at that - as a
> matter of fact instead of building your own
> theories up you spend most of your time attacking
> the orthodox position. Rather boringly if I might
> addd. I'm still awaiting your detailed study that
> outlines your view of the ancient world.

I think you have that backward. Some of us would love to spend most of the time working on fresh perspectives in this “mysteries” forum, but the discussions are very often hijacked by traditionalists firing their own salvos into it, and the rebuttals that ensure consume the progress of the new perspectives. New ideas often come to me only after I see faults in the logic of the traditional ideas which make me realize there might be better explanation. As I’ve said many times about traditional thought, I originally believed the pyramids were designed to be tombs built with huge construction ramps and copper saws and chisels during the 3rd millennium BC by the resident pharaohs and that Vyse did make an amazing discovery that helped clinch that perspective. But as I scrutinized the evidence, I didn’t see the backup required to substantiate those notions. Only after I see the logical flaws in the traditional (default) thinking am I inspired to seek another explanation that is better supported by the physical evidence and not contradicted by it.

Case in point, I never took issue with the notion that those toppled mudbrick pyramids were built during the traditional NK, and that's because I think the evidence seems to support that, so no need to rock the boat.


> > I can't wait to see how the traditionalists squirm
> > to shoehorn these new scientific findings into the
> > orthodox narrative in an attempt to keep it
> > self-consistent.
>
> ....ah a new place in G1 wouldn't really change
> anything - it's what might be in it that might. I
> think we'll have to wait until someone takes a
> look first. I predict rocks, dust and few daubs of
> ocher paint
>
> 'Self-consistent' - an.....dude have you looked at
> the recent state of the fringe narrative? Really?
> lol

What is “the fringe narrative”?

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Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 4924 Loki74 02-Nov-17 12:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 1012 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 12:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 910 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 657 D-Archer 03-Nov-17 10:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 579 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 579 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 712 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 595 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 22:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 610 Thanos5150 03-Nov-17 04:45
Relieving Chambers? 701 Apap 03-Nov-17 23:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 717 Susan Doris 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 601 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:54
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 543 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 571 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 606 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:53
Found it 566 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:16
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 642 cladking 02-Nov-17 14:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 542 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:18
Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 381 Racho 09-Nov-17 22:50
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 531 cladking 09-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 332 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 558 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 520 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 464 Archaic 02-Nov-17 15:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 488 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 428 Spiros 03-Nov-17 01:38
Raw Data 601 cladking 02-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 641 cladking 02-Nov-17 17:22
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 542 Archaic 02-Nov-17 17:29
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 481 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 461 Archaic 02-Nov-17 19:30
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 451 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 20:11
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 480 Archaic 02-Nov-17 20:40
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 370 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:03
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 386 Archaic 02-Nov-17 21:14
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 424 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:20
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 416 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:15
The paper with the actual report 509 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 22:21
Re: The paper with the actual report 456 waggy 03-Nov-17 00:32
Re: The paper with the actual report 438 Archaic 03-Nov-17 00:54
Re: The paper with the actual report 403 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 01:03
Re: The paper with the actual report 386 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:09
Re: The paper with the actual report 430 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 01:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 427 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:37
Re: The paper with the actual report 387 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 08:30
Re: The paper with the actual report 387 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 10:50
Re: The paper with the actual report 418 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 11:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 391 cladking 03-Nov-17 13:02
Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 722 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 02:26
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 519 Archaic 03-Nov-17 02:39
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 485 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 06:09
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 429 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 413 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 441 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:52
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 422 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 14:01
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 445 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 20:22
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber n/t 450 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 566 Scott Creighton 03-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Some Further Comments... 457 Scott Creighton 05-Nov-17 14:52
Found It.... 500 Scott Creighton 08-Nov-17 19:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 468 cladking 03-Nov-17 17:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 495 eyeofhorus33 03-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 483 DUNE 03-Nov-17 18:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 494 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 432 DUNE 03-Nov-17 19:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 460 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 579 xez 06-Nov-17 06:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 407 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 370 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 11:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 390 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 11:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 365 DUNE 06-Nov-17 12:09
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 362 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 12:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 431 DUNE 06-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 375 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 13:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 368 Spiros 06-Nov-17 16:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 365 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 19:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 392 Spiros 06-Nov-17 19:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 470 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 20:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 486 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 10:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 357 DUNE 07-Nov-17 13:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 371 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 13:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 470 DUNE 07-Nov-17 14:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 372 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 14:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 411 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 357 DUNE 06-Nov-17 16:26
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 491 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 426 DUNE 04-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 402 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 364 DUNE 04-Nov-17 16:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 346 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 17:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 447 Thanos5150 04-Nov-17 16:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 425 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 16:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 363 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 385 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 23:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 413 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 Spiros 04-Nov-17 06:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 382 cladking 03-Nov-17 18:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 cladking 03-Nov-17 20:04
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 384 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 458 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 375 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 cladking 04-Nov-17 01:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 416 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 433 Origyptian 04-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 464 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 427 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 10:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 365 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 347 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 342 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 390 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 378 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 450 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 355 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 408 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 403 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 396 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 330 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 371 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 342 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 408 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 417 Racho 08-Nov-17 07:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 455 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 09:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 421 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:57
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 386 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 436 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 09:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 354 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 12:14
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 434 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 12:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 344 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 400 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 eyeofhorus33 04-Nov-17 17:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 381 DUNE 04-Nov-17 18:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 371 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 19:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 DUNE 04-Nov-17 19:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 378 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 417 cladking 04-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 346 cladking 16-Mar-18 02:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 396 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 299 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:25
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 Romulus the 2nd 03-Nov-17 22:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 397 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 421 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:25
5th chamber? 557 Spiros 04-Nov-17 07:32
Re: 5th chamber? 444 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:22
Re: 5th chamber? 432 Spiros 05-Nov-17 14:27
Re: 5th chamber? 391 Spiros 05-Nov-17 18:08
Re: 5th chamber? 361 cladking 05-Nov-17 18:22
Re: 5th chamber? 422 Spiros 05-Nov-17 19:03
another option 452 Spiros 02-Dec-17 09:43
Re: 5th chamber? 424 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:49
Chamber on Safari? n/t 401 cladking 08-Nov-17 14:13
Re: 5th chamber? 426 Spiros 20-Nov-17 16:22
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 463 gulsbo 04-Nov-17 09:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 424 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 379 Romulus the 2nd 04-Nov-17 11:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 461 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 11:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 417 Spiros 04-Nov-17 12:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 358 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 337 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 414 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 428 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 388 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 366 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 377 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 434 Susan Doris 04-Nov-17 16:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 410 cladking 04-Nov-17 17:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 395 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:59
Update***** (wonderful news) 553 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:17
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 512 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:56
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 546 Archaic 05-Nov-17 02:22
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 446 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:45
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 358 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 433 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:19
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 375 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:25
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 335 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 447 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:51
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 398 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:07
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 399 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 420 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 397 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:21
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 372 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 11:53
HOLY MOLAR! 575 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 497 Nejc01 04-Nov-17 23:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 405 Romulus the 2nd 05-Nov-17 23:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 407 Billy K 06-Nov-17 13:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 349 Nolondil 11-Feb-18 21:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 407 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Feb-18 00:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 363 SandyJesse 28-Feb-18 00:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 413 M. J. Thomas 28-Feb-18 00:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 435 SandyJesse 04-Mar-18 23:54
Re: Grand Gallery slots 313 M. J. Thomas 07-Mar-18 11:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 312 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 309 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-18 23:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 328 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 316 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 14:46
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 328 kborissov 05-Apr-18 19:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 272 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-18 22:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 300 kborissov 07-Apr-18 00:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 227 Sirfiroth 07-Apr-18 13:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 262 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 254 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 341 kborissov 07-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 332 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 351 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-18 09:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 317 Origyptian 07-Mar-18 14:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 324 cladking 07-Mar-18 15:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 305 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 15:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 22:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 401 Steve Clayton 21-Mar-18 22:53
Cavern in the Great Pyramid.... 261 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 16:09
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 250 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Sep-18 17:20
New chamber found in great pyramid, actually two...... 301 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 22:27
Mod Caution > Triplicate Topic Merged 340 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Sep-18 12:41


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