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Hanslune Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> ...
> > Give the guy a break.
>
> Why? When I come here I see you guys attacking
> orthodoxy on a daily basis - and declaring it
> overturned, yet you then do exactly the same thing
> the next day....puzzling

That's a false equivalency, so allow me to try to help you with that puzzle.

My compliant is about the hostility and arrogance, not the belief itself. I disagree with plenty of notions expressed in this forum, both traditional and alternative, but I don’t initiate harsh sarcasm and personal attacks.

I don't recall cladking initiating the personal insults and harsh sarcasm. Cladking’s perpsective not only hasn’t yet been proven to be fact, it also is not accepted by mainstream as fact and is not what fresh young minds are being taught to believe in school, nor is it what comprises the texts of higher learning that purport to decree the origins of mankind. Mainstream, on the other hand, not only believes its perspective is fact, it thinks its perspective has been proven to be fact to the extreme of monopolizing the academic domain with its unproven narrative and insulting others who dare to challenge them.

Everyone deserves to be heard as long as it’s kept civil in the public forum. Periodic challenge is a healthy way to validate (or invalidate) the strength of each expressed notion. I contend that we all are on our own to evaluate the merit of what's presented without resorting to hostilities.

I’ve challenged cladking many times to cite which PT utterances back up his interpretation, just as many traditionalists challenge him. And although I might be skeptical about his take on the PT here and there, I don’t get medieval on him.


> > Even the scientists that did that study haven't
> > pinpointed where that void is yet. Is it above
> > Campbell's chamber? Is it lower, at the top of the
> > GG? Is it angled parallel to GG? Is it angled to
> > the opposite incline of GG? How much east-west
> > tolerance is there in the data? Why not throw
> > stones at Nagoya while you're at it? After all,
> > they're the ones that claimed the expertise in the
> > technology in the first place, and tehy
> > still can't say for sure exactly where or
> > what that void is, and after spending how much on
> > the study so far?
>
> No idea what you are ranting about

That’s odd, because it speaks to the core of what I thought was your objection.


> > And why not reprimand the Egyptologists who
> > criticize the guys whose expertise lie in the
> > physics of muons, while they (Egyptologists) focus
> > on the languange and religion that have nothing
> > whatsoever to do with these scientific findings?
>
> You guys seem to do a good job at that - as a
> matter of fact instead of building your own
> theories up you spend most of your time attacking
> the orthodox position. Rather boringly if I might
> addd. I'm still awaiting your detailed study that
> outlines your view of the ancient world.

I think you have that backward. Some of us would love to spend most of the time working on fresh perspectives in this “mysteries” forum, but the discussions are very often hijacked by traditionalists firing their own salvos into it, and the rebuttals that ensure consume the progress of the new perspectives. New ideas often come to me only after I see faults in the logic of the traditional ideas which make me realize there might be better explanation. As I’ve said many times about traditional thought, I originally believed the pyramids were designed to be tombs built with huge construction ramps and copper saws and chisels during the 3rd millennium BC by the resident pharaohs and that Vyse did make an amazing discovery that helped clinch that perspective. But as I scrutinized the evidence, I didn’t see the backup required to substantiate those notions. Only after I see the logical flaws in the traditional (default) thinking am I inspired to seek another explanation that is better supported by the physical evidence and not contradicted by it.

Case in point, I never took issue with the notion that those toppled mudbrick pyramids were built during the traditional NK, and that's because I think the evidence seems to support that, so no need to rock the boat.


> > I can't wait to see how the traditionalists squirm
> > to shoehorn these new scientific findings into the
> > orthodox narrative in an attempt to keep it
> > self-consistent.
>
> ....ah a new place in G1 wouldn't really change
> anything - it's what might be in it that might. I
> think we'll have to wait until someone takes a
> look first. I predict rocks, dust and few daubs of
> ocher paint
>
> 'Self-consistent' - an.....dude have you looked at
> the recent state of the fringe narrative? Really?
> lol

What is “the fringe narrative”?

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Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 4725 Loki74 02-Nov-17 12:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 940 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 12:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 821 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 568 D-Archer 03-Nov-17 10:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 504 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 506 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 645 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 516 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 22:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 528 Thanos5150 03-Nov-17 04:45
Relieving Chambers? 544 Apap 03-Nov-17 23:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 643 Susan Doris 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 533 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:54
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 483 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 506 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 535 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:53
Found it 499 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:16
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 553 cladking 02-Nov-17 14:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 472 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:18
Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 309 Racho 09-Nov-17 22:50
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 454 cladking 09-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 273 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 492 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 455 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 395 Archaic 02-Nov-17 15:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 419 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 359 Spiros 03-Nov-17 01:38
Raw Data 540 cladking 02-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 570 cladking 02-Nov-17 17:22
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 472 Archaic 02-Nov-17 17:29
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 413 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 377 Archaic 02-Nov-17 19:30
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 389 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 20:11
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 399 Archaic 02-Nov-17 20:40
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 292 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:03
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 326 Archaic 02-Nov-17 21:14
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 341 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:20
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 345 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:15
The paper with the actual report 428 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 22:21
Re: The paper with the actual report 366 waggy 03-Nov-17 00:32
Re: The paper with the actual report 350 Archaic 03-Nov-17 00:54
Re: The paper with the actual report 338 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 01:03
Re: The paper with the actual report 326 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:09
Re: The paper with the actual report 351 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 01:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 333 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:37
Re: The paper with the actual report 332 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 08:30
Re: The paper with the actual report 321 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 10:50
Re: The paper with the actual report 333 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 11:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 324 cladking 03-Nov-17 13:02
Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 624 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 02:26
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 443 Archaic 03-Nov-17 02:39
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 421 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 06:09
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 359 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 346 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 363 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:52
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 356 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 14:01
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 378 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 20:22
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber n/t 379 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 492 Scott Creighton 03-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Some Further Comments... 383 Scott Creighton 05-Nov-17 14:52
Found It.... 432 Scott Creighton 08-Nov-17 19:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 411 cladking 03-Nov-17 17:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 425 eyeofhorus33 03-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 416 DUNE 03-Nov-17 18:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 426 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 355 DUNE 03-Nov-17 19:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 382 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 515 xez 06-Nov-17 06:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 322 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 307 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 11:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 330 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 11:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 299 DUNE 06-Nov-17 12:09
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 12:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 369 DUNE 06-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 294 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 13:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 297 Spiros 06-Nov-17 16:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 293 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 19:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 325 Spiros 06-Nov-17 19:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 414 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 20:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 414 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 10:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 282 DUNE 07-Nov-17 13:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 286 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 13:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 404 DUNE 07-Nov-17 14:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 14:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 345 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 298 DUNE 06-Nov-17 16:26
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 408 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 345 DUNE 04-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 329 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 289 DUNE 04-Nov-17 16:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 280 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 17:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 349 Thanos5150 04-Nov-17 16:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 346 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 16:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 281 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 306 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 23:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 334 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 331 Spiros 04-Nov-17 06:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 322 cladking 03-Nov-17 18:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 321 cladking 03-Nov-17 20:04
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 316 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 300 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 298 cladking 04-Nov-17 01:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 354 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 361 Origyptian 04-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 383 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 361 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 10:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 281 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 270 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 274 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 322 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 311 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 359 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 282 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 344 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 332 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 326 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 269 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 284 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 338 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 345 Racho 08-Nov-17 07:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 384 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 09:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:57
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 320 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 365 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 09:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 290 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 12:14
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 364 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 12:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 301 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 289 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 332 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 296 eyeofhorus33 04-Nov-17 17:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 310 DUNE 04-Nov-17 18:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 307 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 19:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 319 DUNE 04-Nov-17 19:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 314 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 344 cladking 04-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 283 cladking 16-Mar-18 02:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 332 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 252 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:25
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 329 Romulus the 2nd 03-Nov-17 22:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 323 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 349 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:25
5th chamber? 497 Spiros 04-Nov-17 07:32
Re: 5th chamber? 372 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:22
Re: 5th chamber? 372 Spiros 05-Nov-17 14:27
Re: 5th chamber? 328 Spiros 05-Nov-17 18:08
Re: 5th chamber? 301 cladking 05-Nov-17 18:22
Re: 5th chamber? 359 Spiros 05-Nov-17 19:03
another option 395 Spiros 02-Dec-17 09:43
Re: 5th chamber? 358 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:49
Chamber on Safari? n/t 329 cladking 08-Nov-17 14:13
Re: 5th chamber? 346 Spiros 20-Nov-17 16:22
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 373 gulsbo 04-Nov-17 09:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 307 Romulus the 2nd 04-Nov-17 11:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 356 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 11:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 359 Spiros 04-Nov-17 12:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 280 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 280 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 291 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 339 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 362 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 316 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 305 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 319 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 374 Susan Doris 04-Nov-17 16:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 329 cladking 04-Nov-17 17:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 333 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:59
Update***** (wonderful news) 482 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:17
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 445 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:56
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 472 Archaic 05-Nov-17 02:22
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 383 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:45
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 296 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 362 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:19
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 317 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:25
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 281 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 378 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:51
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 332 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:07
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 352 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 357 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 333 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:21
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 307 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 11:53
HOLY MOLAR! 487 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 439 Nejc01 04-Nov-17 23:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 343 Romulus the 2nd 05-Nov-17 23:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 334 Billy K 06-Nov-17 13:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 269 Nolondil 11-Feb-18 21:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 331 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Feb-18 00:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 291 SandyJesse 28-Feb-18 00:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 M. J. Thomas 28-Feb-18 00:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 327 SandyJesse 04-Mar-18 23:54
Re: Grand Gallery slots 250 M. J. Thomas 07-Mar-18 11:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 252 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 233 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-18 23:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 270 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 239 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 14:46
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 251 kborissov 05-Apr-18 19:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 204 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-18 22:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 225 kborissov 07-Apr-18 00:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 178 Sirfiroth 07-Apr-18 13:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 199 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 192 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 261 kborissov 07-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 265 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 282 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-18 09:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 245 Origyptian 07-Mar-18 14:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 238 cladking 07-Mar-18 15:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 246 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 15:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 290 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 22:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 325 Steve Clayton 21-Mar-18 22:53
Cavern in the Great Pyramid.... 181 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 16:09
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 179 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Sep-18 17:20
New chamber found in great pyramid, actually two...... 240 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 22:27
Mod Caution > Triplicate Topic Merged 250 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Sep-18 12:41


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