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Hanslune Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> ...
> > Give the guy a break.
>
> Why? When I come here I see you guys attacking
> orthodoxy on a daily basis - and declaring it
> overturned, yet you then do exactly the same thing
> the next day....puzzling

That's a false equivalency, so allow me to try to help you with that puzzle.

My compliant is about the hostility and arrogance, not the belief itself. I disagree with plenty of notions expressed in this forum, both traditional and alternative, but I don’t initiate harsh sarcasm and personal attacks.

I don't recall cladking initiating the personal insults and harsh sarcasm. Cladking’s perpsective not only hasn’t yet been proven to be fact, it also is not accepted by mainstream as fact and is not what fresh young minds are being taught to believe in school, nor is it what comprises the texts of higher learning that purport to decree the origins of mankind. Mainstream, on the other hand, not only believes its perspective is fact, it thinks its perspective has been proven to be fact to the extreme of monopolizing the academic domain with its unproven narrative and insulting others who dare to challenge them.

Everyone deserves to be heard as long as it’s kept civil in the public forum. Periodic challenge is a healthy way to validate (or invalidate) the strength of each expressed notion. I contend that we all are on our own to evaluate the merit of what's presented without resorting to hostilities.

I’ve challenged cladking many times to cite which PT utterances back up his interpretation, just as many traditionalists challenge him. And although I might be skeptical about his take on the PT here and there, I don’t get medieval on him.


> > Even the scientists that did that study haven't
> > pinpointed where that void is yet. Is it above
> > Campbell's chamber? Is it lower, at the top of the
> > GG? Is it angled parallel to GG? Is it angled to
> > the opposite incline of GG? How much east-west
> > tolerance is there in the data? Why not throw
> > stones at Nagoya while you're at it? After all,
> > they're the ones that claimed the expertise in the
> > technology in the first place, and tehy
> > still can't say for sure exactly where or
> > what that void is, and after spending how much on
> > the study so far?
>
> No idea what you are ranting about

That’s odd, because it speaks to the core of what I thought was your objection.


> > And why not reprimand the Egyptologists who
> > criticize the guys whose expertise lie in the
> > physics of muons, while they (Egyptologists) focus
> > on the languange and religion that have nothing
> > whatsoever to do with these scientific findings?
>
> You guys seem to do a good job at that - as a
> matter of fact instead of building your own
> theories up you spend most of your time attacking
> the orthodox position. Rather boringly if I might
> addd. I'm still awaiting your detailed study that
> outlines your view of the ancient world.

I think you have that backward. Some of us would love to spend most of the time working on fresh perspectives in this “mysteries” forum, but the discussions are very often hijacked by traditionalists firing their own salvos into it, and the rebuttals that ensure consume the progress of the new perspectives. New ideas often come to me only after I see faults in the logic of the traditional ideas which make me realize there might be better explanation. As I’ve said many times about traditional thought, I originally believed the pyramids were designed to be tombs built with huge construction ramps and copper saws and chisels during the 3rd millennium BC by the resident pharaohs and that Vyse did make an amazing discovery that helped clinch that perspective. But as I scrutinized the evidence, I didn’t see the backup required to substantiate those notions. Only after I see the logical flaws in the traditional (default) thinking am I inspired to seek another explanation that is better supported by the physical evidence and not contradicted by it.

Case in point, I never took issue with the notion that those toppled mudbrick pyramids were built during the traditional NK, and that's because I think the evidence seems to support that, so no need to rock the boat.


> > I can't wait to see how the traditionalists squirm
> > to shoehorn these new scientific findings into the
> > orthodox narrative in an attempt to keep it
> > self-consistent.
>
> ....ah a new place in G1 wouldn't really change
> anything - it's what might be in it that might. I
> think we'll have to wait until someone takes a
> look first. I predict rocks, dust and few daubs of
> ocher paint
>
> 'Self-consistent' - an.....dude have you looked at
> the recent state of the fringe narrative? Really?
> lol

What is “the fringe narrative”?

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Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 4976 Loki74 02-Nov-17 12:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 1038 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 12:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 938 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 668 D-Archer 03-Nov-17 10:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 588 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 594 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 725 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 614 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 22:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 637 Thanos5150 03-Nov-17 04:45
Relieving Chambers? 727 Apap 03-Nov-17 23:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 730 Susan Doris 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 615 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:54
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 554 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 599 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 631 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:53
Found it 578 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:16
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 669 cladking 02-Nov-17 14:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 578 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:18
Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 389 Racho 09-Nov-17 22:50
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 547 cladking 09-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 355 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 582 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 528 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 482 Archaic 02-Nov-17 15:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 509 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 453 Spiros 03-Nov-17 01:38
Raw Data 612 cladking 02-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 662 cladking 02-Nov-17 17:22
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 575 Archaic 02-Nov-17 17:29
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 497 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 483 Archaic 02-Nov-17 19:30
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 474 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 20:11
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 492 Archaic 02-Nov-17 20:40
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 380 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:03
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 413 Archaic 02-Nov-17 21:14
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 438 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:20
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 454 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:15
The paper with the actual report 522 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 22:21
Re: The paper with the actual report 479 waggy 03-Nov-17 00:32
Re: The paper with the actual report 448 Archaic 03-Nov-17 00:54
Re: The paper with the actual report 426 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 01:03
Re: The paper with the actual report 412 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:09
Re: The paper with the actual report 441 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 01:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 443 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:37
Re: The paper with the actual report 397 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 08:30
Re: The paper with the actual report 413 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 10:50
Re: The paper with the actual report 443 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 11:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 414 cladking 03-Nov-17 13:02
Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 738 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 02:26
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 543 Archaic 03-Nov-17 02:39
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 498 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 06:09
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 454 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 427 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 450 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:52
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 437 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 14:01
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 458 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 20:22
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber n/t 477 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 579 Scott Creighton 03-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Some Further Comments... 468 Scott Creighton 05-Nov-17 14:52
Found It.... 531 Scott Creighton 08-Nov-17 19:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 479 cladking 03-Nov-17 17:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 528 eyeofhorus33 03-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 496 DUNE 03-Nov-17 18:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 524 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 465 DUNE 03-Nov-17 19:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 483 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 603 xez 06-Nov-17 06:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 418 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 11:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 403 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 11:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 DUNE 06-Nov-17 12:09
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 385 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 12:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 454 DUNE 06-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 386 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 13:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 405 Spiros 06-Nov-17 16:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 19:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 413 Spiros 06-Nov-17 19:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 491 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 20:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 510 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 10:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 375 DUNE 07-Nov-17 13:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 382 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 13:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 504 DUNE 07-Nov-17 14:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 390 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 14:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 427 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 379 DUNE 06-Nov-17 16:26
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 514 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 438 DUNE 04-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 414 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 DUNE 04-Nov-17 16:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 357 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 17:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 464 Thanos5150 04-Nov-17 16:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 446 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 16:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 374 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 405 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 23:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 431 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 419 Spiros 04-Nov-17 06:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 406 cladking 03-Nov-17 18:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 417 cladking 03-Nov-17 20:04
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 405 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 483 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 385 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 396 cladking 04-Nov-17 01:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 431 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 460 Origyptian 04-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 478 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 436 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 10:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 380 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 358 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 352 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 428 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 403 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 463 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 367 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 421 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 413 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 410 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 351 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 382 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 370 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 434 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 455 Racho 08-Nov-17 07:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 468 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 09:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 443 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:57
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 400 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 447 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 09:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 379 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 12:14
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 449 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 12:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 396 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 368 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 416 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 377 eyeofhorus33 04-Nov-17 17:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 DUNE 04-Nov-17 18:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 393 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 19:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 415 DUNE 04-Nov-17 19:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 396 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 433 cladking 04-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 370 cladking 16-Mar-18 02:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 420 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 319 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:25
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 407 Romulus the 2nd 03-Nov-17 22:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 424 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 433 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:25
5th chamber? 578 Spiros 04-Nov-17 07:32
Re: 5th chamber? 457 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:22
Re: 5th chamber? 456 Spiros 05-Nov-17 14:27
Re: 5th chamber? 404 Spiros 05-Nov-17 18:08
Re: 5th chamber? 384 cladking 05-Nov-17 18:22
Re: 5th chamber? 432 Spiros 05-Nov-17 19:03
another option 461 Spiros 02-Dec-17 09:43
Re: 5th chamber? 445 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:49
Chamber on Safari? n/t 425 cladking 08-Nov-17 14:13
Re: 5th chamber? 438 Spiros 20-Nov-17 16:22
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 494 gulsbo 04-Nov-17 09:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 441 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 401 Romulus the 2nd 04-Nov-17 11:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 477 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 11:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 434 Spiros 04-Nov-17 12:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 368 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 358 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 370 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 434 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 446 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 408 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 392 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 461 Susan Doris 04-Nov-17 16:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 434 cladking 04-Nov-17 17:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 424 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:59
Update***** (wonderful news) 565 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:17
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 537 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:56
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 564 Archaic 05-Nov-17 02:22
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 462 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:45
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 375 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 456 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:19
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 391 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:25
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 346 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 472 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:51
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 410 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:07
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 417 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 452 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 414 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:21
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 382 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 11:53
HOLY MOLAR! 597 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 510 Nejc01 04-Nov-17 23:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 418 Romulus the 2nd 05-Nov-17 23:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 418 Billy K 06-Nov-17 13:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 356 Nolondil 11-Feb-18 21:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 429 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Feb-18 00:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 387 SandyJesse 28-Feb-18 00:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 421 M. J. Thomas 28-Feb-18 00:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 459 SandyJesse 04-Mar-18 23:54
Re: Grand Gallery slots 337 M. J. Thomas 07-Mar-18 11:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 324 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 317 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-18 23:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 349 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 14:46
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 338 kborissov 05-Apr-18 19:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 300 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-18 22:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 323 kborissov 07-Apr-18 00:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 246 Sirfiroth 07-Apr-18 13:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 271 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 274 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 367 kborissov 07-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 367 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-18 09:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 347 Origyptian 07-Mar-18 14:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 365 cladking 07-Mar-18 15:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 316 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 15:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 385 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 22:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 412 Steve Clayton 21-Mar-18 22:53
Cavern in the Great Pyramid.... 269 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 16:09
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 257 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Sep-18 17:20
New chamber found in great pyramid, actually two...... 320 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 22:27
Mod Caution > Triplicate Topic Merged 362 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Sep-18 12:41


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