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Hanslune Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> ...
> > Give the guy a break.
>
> Why? When I come here I see you guys attacking
> orthodoxy on a daily basis - and declaring it
> overturned, yet you then do exactly the same thing
> the next day....puzzling

That's a false equivalency, so allow me to try to help you with that puzzle.

My compliant is about the hostility and arrogance, not the belief itself. I disagree with plenty of notions expressed in this forum, both traditional and alternative, but I don’t initiate harsh sarcasm and personal attacks.

I don't recall cladking initiating the personal insults and harsh sarcasm. Cladking’s perpsective not only hasn’t yet been proven to be fact, it also is not accepted by mainstream as fact and is not what fresh young minds are being taught to believe in school, nor is it what comprises the texts of higher learning that purport to decree the origins of mankind. Mainstream, on the other hand, not only believes its perspective is fact, it thinks its perspective has been proven to be fact to the extreme of monopolizing the academic domain with its unproven narrative and insulting others who dare to challenge them.

Everyone deserves to be heard as long as it’s kept civil in the public forum. Periodic challenge is a healthy way to validate (or invalidate) the strength of each expressed notion. I contend that we all are on our own to evaluate the merit of what's presented without resorting to hostilities.

I’ve challenged cladking many times to cite which PT utterances back up his interpretation, just as many traditionalists challenge him. And although I might be skeptical about his take on the PT here and there, I don’t get medieval on him.


> > Even the scientists that did that study haven't
> > pinpointed where that void is yet. Is it above
> > Campbell's chamber? Is it lower, at the top of the
> > GG? Is it angled parallel to GG? Is it angled to
> > the opposite incline of GG? How much east-west
> > tolerance is there in the data? Why not throw
> > stones at Nagoya while you're at it? After all,
> > they're the ones that claimed the expertise in the
> > technology in the first place, and tehy
> > still can't say for sure exactly where or
> > what that void is, and after spending how much on
> > the study so far?
>
> No idea what you are ranting about

That’s odd, because it speaks to the core of what I thought was your objection.


> > And why not reprimand the Egyptologists who
> > criticize the guys whose expertise lie in the
> > physics of muons, while they (Egyptologists) focus
> > on the languange and religion that have nothing
> > whatsoever to do with these scientific findings?
>
> You guys seem to do a good job at that - as a
> matter of fact instead of building your own
> theories up you spend most of your time attacking
> the orthodox position. Rather boringly if I might
> addd. I'm still awaiting your detailed study that
> outlines your view of the ancient world.

I think you have that backward. Some of us would love to spend most of the time working on fresh perspectives in this “mysteries” forum, but the discussions are very often hijacked by traditionalists firing their own salvos into it, and the rebuttals that ensure consume the progress of the new perspectives. New ideas often come to me only after I see faults in the logic of the traditional ideas which make me realize there might be better explanation. As I’ve said many times about traditional thought, I originally believed the pyramids were designed to be tombs built with huge construction ramps and copper saws and chisels during the 3rd millennium BC by the resident pharaohs and that Vyse did make an amazing discovery that helped clinch that perspective. But as I scrutinized the evidence, I didn’t see the backup required to substantiate those notions. Only after I see the logical flaws in the traditional (default) thinking am I inspired to seek another explanation that is better supported by the physical evidence and not contradicted by it.

Case in point, I never took issue with the notion that those toppled mudbrick pyramids were built during the traditional NK, and that's because I think the evidence seems to support that, so no need to rock the boat.


> > I can't wait to see how the traditionalists squirm
> > to shoehorn these new scientific findings into the
> > orthodox narrative in an attempt to keep it
> > self-consistent.
>
> ....ah a new place in G1 wouldn't really change
> anything - it's what might be in it that might. I
> think we'll have to wait until someone takes a
> look first. I predict rocks, dust and few daubs of
> ocher paint
>
> 'Self-consistent' - an.....dude have you looked at
> the recent state of the fringe narrative? Really?
> lol

What is “the fringe narrative”?

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Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 4770 Loki74 02-Nov-17 12:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 957 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 12:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 847 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 588 D-Archer 03-Nov-17 10:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 524 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 521 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 662 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 530 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 22:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 547 Thanos5150 03-Nov-17 04:45
Relieving Chambers? 588 Apap 03-Nov-17 23:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 659 Susan Doris 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 549 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:54
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 499 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 516 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 556 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:53
Found it 514 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:16
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 571 cladking 02-Nov-17 14:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 487 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:18
Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 321 Racho 09-Nov-17 22:50
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 468 cladking 09-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 292 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 510 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 469 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 411 Archaic 02-Nov-17 15:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 438 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 374 Spiros 03-Nov-17 01:38
Raw Data 550 cladking 02-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 587 cladking 02-Nov-17 17:22
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 486 Archaic 02-Nov-17 17:29
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 430 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 392 Archaic 02-Nov-17 19:30
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 401 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 20:11
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 418 Archaic 02-Nov-17 20:40
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 310 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:03
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 339 Archaic 02-Nov-17 21:14
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 352 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:20
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 360 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:15
The paper with the actual report 447 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 22:21
Re: The paper with the actual report 385 waggy 03-Nov-17 00:32
Re: The paper with the actual report 366 Archaic 03-Nov-17 00:54
Re: The paper with the actual report 356 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 01:03
Re: The paper with the actual report 339 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:09
Re: The paper with the actual report 365 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 01:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 346 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:37
Re: The paper with the actual report 345 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 08:30
Re: The paper with the actual report 339 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 10:50
Re: The paper with the actual report 350 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 11:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 344 cladking 03-Nov-17 13:02
Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 644 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 02:26
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 459 Archaic 03-Nov-17 02:39
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 435 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 06:09
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 373 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 364 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 381 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:52
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 370 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 14:01
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 395 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 20:22
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber n/t 394 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 510 Scott Creighton 03-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Some Further Comments... 399 Scott Creighton 05-Nov-17 14:52
Found It.... 455 Scott Creighton 08-Nov-17 19:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 424 cladking 03-Nov-17 17:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 442 eyeofhorus33 03-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 428 DUNE 03-Nov-17 18:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 441 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 369 DUNE 03-Nov-17 19:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 402 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 531 xez 06-Nov-17 06:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 337 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 324 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 11:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 346 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 11:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 318 DUNE 06-Nov-17 12:09
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 311 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 12:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 384 DUNE 06-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 309 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 13:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 313 Spiros 06-Nov-17 16:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 310 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 19:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 342 Spiros 06-Nov-17 19:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 424 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 20:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 427 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 10:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 303 DUNE 07-Nov-17 13:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 306 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 13:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 419 DUNE 07-Nov-17 14:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 314 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 14:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 362 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 313 DUNE 06-Nov-17 16:26
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 426 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 DUNE 04-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 345 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 310 DUNE 04-Nov-17 16:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 17:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 367 Thanos5150 04-Nov-17 16:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 358 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 16:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 324 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 23:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 353 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 Spiros 04-Nov-17 06:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 341 cladking 03-Nov-17 18:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 335 cladking 03-Nov-17 20:04
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 328 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 408 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 320 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 313 cladking 04-Nov-17 01:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 370 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 373 Origyptian 04-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 410 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 379 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 10:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 300 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 282 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 290 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 334 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 325 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 299 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 362 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 346 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 344 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 283 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 312 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 355 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 367 Racho 08-Nov-17 07:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 402 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 09:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 373 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:57
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 338 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 384 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 09:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 313 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 12:14
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 379 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 12:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 318 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 302 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 311 eyeofhorus33 04-Nov-17 17:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 325 DUNE 04-Nov-17 18:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 322 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 19:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 331 DUNE 04-Nov-17 19:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 331 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 362 cladking 04-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 299 cladking 16-Mar-18 02:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 350 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 265 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:25
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 347 Romulus the 2nd 03-Nov-17 22:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 339 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 368 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:25
5th chamber? 514 Spiros 04-Nov-17 07:32
Re: 5th chamber? 389 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:22
Re: 5th chamber? 389 Spiros 05-Nov-17 14:27
Re: 5th chamber? 346 Spiros 05-Nov-17 18:08
Re: 5th chamber? 314 cladking 05-Nov-17 18:22
Re: 5th chamber? 375 Spiros 05-Nov-17 19:03
another option 410 Spiros 02-Dec-17 09:43
Re: 5th chamber? 377 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:49
Chamber on Safari? n/t 346 cladking 08-Nov-17 14:13
Re: 5th chamber? 364 Spiros 20-Nov-17 16:22
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 391 gulsbo 04-Nov-17 09:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 380 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 319 Romulus the 2nd 04-Nov-17 11:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 11:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 377 Spiros 04-Nov-17 12:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 308 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 358 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 378 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 334 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 319 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 335 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 391 Susan Doris 04-Nov-17 16:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 341 cladking 04-Nov-17 17:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 350 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:59
Update***** (wonderful news) 501 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:17
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 463 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:56
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 485 Archaic 05-Nov-17 02:22
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 396 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:45
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 313 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 377 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:19
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 329 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:25
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 294 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 395 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:51
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 349 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:07
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 364 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 376 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 354 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:21
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 321 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 11:53
HOLY MOLAR! 501 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 453 Nejc01 04-Nov-17 23:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 356 Romulus the 2nd 05-Nov-17 23:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 349 Billy K 06-Nov-17 13:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 292 Nolondil 11-Feb-18 21:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Feb-18 00:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 319 SandyJesse 28-Feb-18 00:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 363 M. J. Thomas 28-Feb-18 00:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 351 SandyJesse 04-Mar-18 23:54
Re: Grand Gallery slots 267 M. J. Thomas 07-Mar-18 11:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 268 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 248 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-18 23:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 286 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 254 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 14:46
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 269 kborissov 05-Apr-18 19:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 221 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-18 22:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 242 kborissov 07-Apr-18 00:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 191 Sirfiroth 07-Apr-18 13:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 218 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 206 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 282 kborissov 07-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 284 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 297 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-18 09:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 267 Origyptian 07-Mar-18 14:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 264 cladking 07-Mar-18 15:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 263 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 15:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 310 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 22:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 345 Steve Clayton 21-Mar-18 22:53
Cavern in the Great Pyramid.... 198 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 16:09
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 198 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Sep-18 17:20
New chamber found in great pyramid, actually two...... 258 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 22:27
Mod Caution > Triplicate Topic Merged 278 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Sep-18 12:41


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