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Hanslune Wrote:
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> Origyptian Wrote:
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> ...
> > Give the guy a break.
>
> Why? When I come here I see you guys attacking
> orthodoxy on a daily basis - and declaring it
> overturned, yet you then do exactly the same thing
> the next day....puzzling

That's a false equivalency, so allow me to try to help you with that puzzle.

My compliant is about the hostility and arrogance, not the belief itself. I disagree with plenty of notions expressed in this forum, both traditional and alternative, but I don’t initiate harsh sarcasm and personal attacks.

I don't recall cladking initiating the personal insults and harsh sarcasm. Cladking’s perpsective not only hasn’t yet been proven to be fact, it also is not accepted by mainstream as fact and is not what fresh young minds are being taught to believe in school, nor is it what comprises the texts of higher learning that purport to decree the origins of mankind. Mainstream, on the other hand, not only believes its perspective is fact, it thinks its perspective has been proven to be fact to the extreme of monopolizing the academic domain with its unproven narrative and insulting others who dare to challenge them.

Everyone deserves to be heard as long as it’s kept civil in the public forum. Periodic challenge is a healthy way to validate (or invalidate) the strength of each expressed notion. I contend that we all are on our own to evaluate the merit of what's presented without resorting to hostilities.

I’ve challenged cladking many times to cite which PT utterances back up his interpretation, just as many traditionalists challenge him. And although I might be skeptical about his take on the PT here and there, I don’t get medieval on him.


> > Even the scientists that did that study haven't
> > pinpointed where that void is yet. Is it above
> > Campbell's chamber? Is it lower, at the top of the
> > GG? Is it angled parallel to GG? Is it angled to
> > the opposite incline of GG? How much east-west
> > tolerance is there in the data? Why not throw
> > stones at Nagoya while you're at it? After all,
> > they're the ones that claimed the expertise in the
> > technology in the first place, and tehy
> > still can't say for sure exactly where or
> > what that void is, and after spending how much on
> > the study so far?
>
> No idea what you are ranting about

That’s odd, because it speaks to the core of what I thought was your objection.


> > And why not reprimand the Egyptologists who
> > criticize the guys whose expertise lie in the
> > physics of muons, while they (Egyptologists) focus
> > on the languange and religion that have nothing
> > whatsoever to do with these scientific findings?
>
> You guys seem to do a good job at that - as a
> matter of fact instead of building your own
> theories up you spend most of your time attacking
> the orthodox position. Rather boringly if I might
> addd. I'm still awaiting your detailed study that
> outlines your view of the ancient world.

I think you have that backward. Some of us would love to spend most of the time working on fresh perspectives in this “mysteries” forum, but the discussions are very often hijacked by traditionalists firing their own salvos into it, and the rebuttals that ensure consume the progress of the new perspectives. New ideas often come to me only after I see faults in the logic of the traditional ideas which make me realize there might be better explanation. As I’ve said many times about traditional thought, I originally believed the pyramids were designed to be tombs built with huge construction ramps and copper saws and chisels during the 3rd millennium BC by the resident pharaohs and that Vyse did make an amazing discovery that helped clinch that perspective. But as I scrutinized the evidence, I didn’t see the backup required to substantiate those notions. Only after I see the logical flaws in the traditional (default) thinking am I inspired to seek another explanation that is better supported by the physical evidence and not contradicted by it.

Case in point, I never took issue with the notion that those toppled mudbrick pyramids were built during the traditional NK, and that's because I think the evidence seems to support that, so no need to rock the boat.


> > I can't wait to see how the traditionalists squirm
> > to shoehorn these new scientific findings into the
> > orthodox narrative in an attempt to keep it
> > self-consistent.
>
> ....ah a new place in G1 wouldn't really change
> anything - it's what might be in it that might. I
> think we'll have to wait until someone takes a
> look first. I predict rocks, dust and few daubs of
> ocher paint
>
> 'Self-consistent' - an.....dude have you looked at
> the recent state of the fringe narrative? Really?
> lol

What is “the fringe narrative”?

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Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 4921 Loki74 02-Nov-17 12:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 1008 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 12:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 906 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 653 D-Archer 03-Nov-17 10:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 574 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 574 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 706 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 585 Origyptian 02-Nov-17 22:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 608 Thanos5150 03-Nov-17 04:45
Relieving Chambers? 692 Apap 03-Nov-17 23:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 713 Susan Doris 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 599 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:54
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 541 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 569 Archaic 02-Nov-17 13:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 602 Loki74 02-Nov-17 13:53
Found it 563 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:16
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 638 cladking 02-Nov-17 14:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 536 Archaic 02-Nov-17 14:18
Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 375 Racho 09-Nov-17 22:50
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 529 cladking 09-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Only quickly glanced at this old post...a prediction come true? 330 Steve Clayton 19-Mar-18 00:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 555 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 14:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 518 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 462 Archaic 02-Nov-17 15:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 486 Spiros 02-Nov-17 15:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 424 Spiros 03-Nov-17 01:38
Raw Data 597 cladking 02-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 636 cladking 02-Nov-17 17:22
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 540 Archaic 02-Nov-17 17:29
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 478 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 458 Archaic 02-Nov-17 19:30
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 451 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 20:11
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 475 Archaic 02-Nov-17 20:40
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 367 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:03
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 384 Archaic 02-Nov-17 21:14
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 419 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:20
Re: Raw Data (now with picture) 414 Jon Ellison 02-Nov-17 21:15
The paper with the actual report 503 Hanslune 02-Nov-17 22:21
Re: The paper with the actual report 449 waggy 03-Nov-17 00:32
Re: The paper with the actual report 433 Archaic 03-Nov-17 00:54
Re: The paper with the actual report 400 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 01:03
Re: The paper with the actual report 384 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:09
Re: The paper with the actual report 426 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 01:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 423 Archaic 03-Nov-17 01:37
Re: The paper with the actual report 386 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 08:30
Re: The paper with the actual report 385 Origyptian 03-Nov-17 10:50
Re: The paper with the actual report 415 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 11:11
Re: The paper with the actual report 388 cladking 03-Nov-17 13:02
Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 719 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 02:26
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 517 Archaic 03-Nov-17 02:39
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 482 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 06:09
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 428 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 407 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 439 M. J. Thomas 03-Nov-17 10:52
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 420 Susan Doris 03-Nov-17 14:01
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber 442 Barbelo 03-Nov-17 20:22
Re: Khufu's Secret Burial Chamber n/t 446 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 562 Scott Creighton 03-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Some Further Comments... 455 Scott Creighton 05-Nov-17 14:52
Found It.... 495 Scott Creighton 08-Nov-17 19:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 464 cladking 03-Nov-17 17:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 490 eyeofhorus33 03-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 476 DUNE 03-Nov-17 18:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 493 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 426 DUNE 03-Nov-17 19:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 456 Jon Ellison 03-Nov-17 20:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 576 xez 06-Nov-17 06:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 400 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 10:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 367 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 11:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 386 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 11:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 DUNE 06-Nov-17 12:09
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 359 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 12:42
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 427 DUNE 06-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 372 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 13:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 364 Spiros 06-Nov-17 16:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 362 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 19:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 387 Spiros 06-Nov-17 19:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 467 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 20:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 485 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 10:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 352 DUNE 07-Nov-17 13:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 364 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 13:47
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 468 DUNE 07-Nov-17 14:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 369 Origyptian 06-Nov-17 14:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 408 Jon Ellison 06-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 356 DUNE 06-Nov-17 16:26
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 488 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 10:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 423 DUNE 04-Nov-17 15:45
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 400 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 DUNE 04-Nov-17 16:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 343 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 17:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 441 Thanos5150 04-Nov-17 16:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 421 Scott Creighton 04-Nov-17 16:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 361 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 381 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 23:02
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 411 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 391 Spiros 04-Nov-17 06:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 381 cladking 03-Nov-17 18:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 389 cladking 03-Nov-17 20:04
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 380 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 455 cladking 03-Nov-17 21:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 369 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 371 cladking 04-Nov-17 01:29
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 412 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:19
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 426 Origyptian 04-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 462 Hanslune 04-Nov-17 05:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 426 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 10:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 358 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 343 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 338 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 381 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 375 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 446 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 348 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 14:06
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 405 cladking 05-Nov-17 14:58
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 399 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 391 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 328 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 369 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 338 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:35
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 407 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 415 Racho 08-Nov-17 07:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 452 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 09:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 418 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:57
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 380 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 429 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 09:20
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 351 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 12:14
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 430 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 12:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 360 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:01
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 342 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:11
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 396 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 347 eyeofhorus33 04-Nov-17 17:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 377 DUNE 04-Nov-17 18:17
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 370 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 19:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 390 DUNE 04-Nov-17 19:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 411 cladking 04-Nov-17 18:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 342 cladking 16-Mar-18 02:03
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 393 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:00
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 297 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:25
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 392 Romulus the 2nd 03-Nov-17 22:24
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 Hanslune 03-Nov-17 22:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 420 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:25
5th chamber? 554 Spiros 04-Nov-17 07:32
Re: 5th chamber? 441 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:22
Re: 5th chamber? 428 Spiros 05-Nov-17 14:27
Re: 5th chamber? 385 Spiros 05-Nov-17 18:08
Re: 5th chamber? 359 cladking 05-Nov-17 18:22
Re: 5th chamber? 415 Spiros 05-Nov-17 19:03
another option 448 Spiros 02-Dec-17 09:43
Re: 5th chamber? 420 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:49
Chamber on Safari? n/t 401 cladking 08-Nov-17 14:13
Re: 5th chamber? 419 Spiros 20-Nov-17 16:22
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 456 gulsbo 04-Nov-17 09:32
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 421 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 377 Romulus the 2nd 04-Nov-17 11:27
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 459 Jon Ellison 04-Nov-17 11:44
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 416 Spiros 04-Nov-17 12:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 355 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 334 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:10
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 347 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 17:12
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 413 cladking 05-Nov-17 17:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 426 cladking 04-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 384 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:51
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 364 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 376 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 13:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 433 Susan Doris 04-Nov-17 16:30
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 409 cladking 04-Nov-17 17:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 391 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 07:59
Update***** (wonderful news) 549 cladking 04-Nov-17 19:17
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 511 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:56
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 541 Archaic 05-Nov-17 02:22
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 444 Origyptian 05-Nov-17 14:45
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 355 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 431 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:19
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 374 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:25
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 333 Jon Ellison 05-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 442 cladking 05-Nov-17 15:51
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 394 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:07
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 396 Origyptian 08-Nov-17 13:31
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 418 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 06:13
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 394 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:21
Re: Update***** (wonderful news) 366 Origyptian 09-Nov-17 11:53
HOLY MOLAR! 572 Poster Boy 04-Nov-17 21:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 496 Nejc01 04-Nov-17 23:34
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 401 Romulus the 2nd 05-Nov-17 23:49
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 402 Billy K 06-Nov-17 13:07
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 346 Nolondil 11-Feb-18 21:50
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 403 Dr. Troglodyte 12-Feb-18 00:08
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 361 SandyJesse 28-Feb-18 00:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 407 M. J. Thomas 28-Feb-18 00:55
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 431 SandyJesse 04-Mar-18 23:54
Re: Grand Gallery slots 312 M. J. Thomas 07-Mar-18 11:13
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 311 Steve Clayton 06-Mar-18 23:18
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 305 Jon Ellison 06-Mar-18 23:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 325 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:53
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 310 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 14:46
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 324 kborissov 05-Apr-18 19:23
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 269 Steve Clayton 06-Apr-18 22:33
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 295 kborissov 07-Apr-18 00:48
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 225 Sirfiroth 07-Apr-18 13:40
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 256 cladking 07-Apr-18 14:28
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 251 Origyptian 07-Apr-18 16:31
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 335 kborissov 07-Apr-18 16:39
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 326 Origyptian 06-Mar-18 23:52
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 345 Jon Ellison 07-Mar-18 09:59
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 314 Origyptian 07-Mar-18 14:15
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 320 cladking 07-Mar-18 15:37
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 304 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 15:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 354 Steve Clayton 07-Mar-18 22:56
Re: Huge cavity discovered within Great Pyramid 394 Steve Clayton 21-Mar-18 22:53
Cavern in the Great Pyramid.... 254 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 16:09
Mod Note > Duplicate Topic Merged 247 Dr. Troglodyte 17-Sep-18 17:20
New chamber found in great pyramid, actually two...... 298 Itatw70s 17-Sep-18 22:27
Mod Caution > Triplicate Topic Merged 335 Dr. Troglodyte 20-Sep-18 12:41


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