> Most would understand that the Pyramid Texts
> seem to be an almost full time hobby obsession for
> If you do not get attention you will invade others
> threads to bring attention to your repetitve
> "hobby horsing"
> I take some pity on you and occasionally respond.
> I thank you for the reply below and as strange at
> it may seem I believe I have a general
> understanding of what you are attempting to
Don't do me any favors.
With friends like you nobody needs enemies.
> The word literally cannot simultaneously mean
> both an actual real event and a figurative
> metaphorical reference.
> It is one or the other.
If you're looking for a semantical argument you're talking to the wrong guy.
> Observe! you do not even seem to understand the
> possible dual usage meaning of "literally"
> (previously explained) and there is no dual
> meaning in your example.
> You are referring to a real tangible physical boat
> in both cases.
> It literally (in proper usage sense) and the way
> you express it, IT is a boat. FULLSTOP.
Again I have no interest in a semantical argument.
The natures of a henu boat (counterweight) and a dndndr boat (ascending boat) are well described in context. The henu boat overseen by isis and operated upon by tefnut causes the dndndr boat overseen by nephthys and operated upon by shu to fly up and alight. You can't change this by mincing words or telling me what "literal" might or might not mean. [/i]
> OK. You seem to be suggesting that they
> actually believed in this physical transformation.
> You call it "their science" but to modern humans
> (I dare say ALL others) it is called religion or
"Transmogrification" is OUR word. They understood the difference between a living breathing individual and a memory. And, no, a memory is not an abstraction either.
> However here you actually do "have your cake and
> eat it too"! You have it both ways
> A physical reality belief and a figurative
A mnemonic is real. It is a device to remember something and is as real as a 6 1/2 million ton pyramid or as ephemeral as a star in the night sky (a massive ball of fusing hydrogen).
> Every human culture in history has had a
> portion of the population who held religious or
> superstitious beliefs. The Ancient Egyptian
> composers of the PT's were no different. NO
Ancient people didn't think like Egyptologists. This is exactly why they had no words for "thought" or "belief". They had no abstractions at all. This means no mental models, no religion, and no metaphor. These are concepts familiar to the authors of the book of the dead and to Egyptologists. NOT TO PYRAMID BUILDERS.
> So in other words the pyramid was mnemonic
> cenotaph but you claim they had a religious
> superstitious belief, founded in what you call
> "their science", it was also the physical literal
> That is NOT anything like "science".
A cenotaph is a symbol and they had no symbols. The pyramid was the dead king's ka, it was a mnemonic.
> Yes I see from posts in this large thread you
> think they thought that the essence of the pharaoh
> merged with a pre-existing star.
It was NOT the essence. It was everything left of the dead king which was principally just a memory.
> Also you imagine (fantasise) AE thought dawn to
> dusk the pharaoh was occupying a pyramid body then
> immediately on sun down went to occupy a star.
They could not see the star in the day or the pyramid at night. A mnemonic existed day and night.
> Regardless, they must have had a belief
> it definitely could not have any scientific
> factual support or evidence.
They didn't think like Egyptologists. This simply never occurred to Egyptologists that the people were DIFFERENT than us. They went looking for themselves and found what never existed.
> I see you choose to squirm out of the fact you
> have a huge thread claiming they had no
> superstition yet it clearly falls into category of
> belief which no matter how real it may have been
> to them it is in the category of superstition.
> They AE demonstrate in your explanation of ,
> becoming a star or a pyramid, exactly the same
> religious attributes of all known civilizations
> including 21st Century modern humans.
> It is a vacuous unevidenced, unsupported fantasy,
> which you attempt to promote ad nauseum!.
Unlike Egyptologists who would never repeat endlessly that cultural context proves the pyramids were tombs, the builders were superstitious, and they were so ignorant they had no other means of building than to drag stones up ramps.
Why are tombs, ramps, and superstition always relevant but when I point out where they aren't I'm out of order? The problem here is that I can win every argument using the actual words of the pyramid builders and this hurts peoples' feelings. Maybe it's time some of you man up a little bit. Maybe I win these arguments because the builders meant exactly what they said. Maybe all the physical evidence is relevant and none of what we believe is relevant.
> IT IS OK. Fine believe whatever you want, but do
> not expect anyone else to give consideration to
> your fantasy when you have no basis for your claim
> other than your own say so!
You can believe anything you want.
But some people seem to believe if they pout and scream loudly enough I'll change what I say.
Egyptologists are wrong and it doesn't matter what I say. The builders said the king is the pyramid and they said his tomb is in the sky. Get over it.
> Do you understand why very few want to discuss
> your nonsense and get irritated that you impose it
> on unrelated thread topics???????????!.
They don't want to discuss it because the physical evidence, logic, and the builders themselves agree with me. Why do you think they built in step and called the pyramid the king? This is what THIS thread is about. I fully understand that most people and all believers have chosen to ignore me. But I still have relevant input as others take the thread off topic, ignore my points, and blame me.
Why do you think all this is? Why do you think you've won the argument in this very post despite the fact I can cite ENDLESS EVIDENCE AND LOGIC while all you can do is appeal to Egyptologists and existing beliefs. Why did they keep saying THE KING IS THE PYRAMID????????? Were they superstitious AND stupid.
Do you know the difference in meaning of the words "refuse" and "avoid"?
Edited 8 time(s). Last edit at 29-Feb-20 05:32 by cladking.