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Barbelo Wrote:
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> I'm surprised that this image of the palace facade
> sarcophagus hasn't inspired any debate as to why
> there was such a departure from the pure aesthetic
> of the Great Pyramid coffer to a foreign style
> unless the dearly departed was perhaps from that
> culture.

The palace facade building depicted on this sarcophagus was typical in the OK apparently after Khufu. This OP may interest you: Mesopotamian Origin of the Egyptian Serekh Palace Facade Building. Whether depicted on a sarcophagus or not, this building, or its archetype, is revered since the beginnings of Dynastic Egypt and for long after the OK. For example, on the interior of Unas's pyramid:


Of note, however, is that his sarcophagus, unlike many others of the period and before, though akin to Khufu and Khafre with no decoration, does not have the PF building on it:

I find this quite interesting. It was so important to paint it all over the walls, but not important enough to make the sarcophagus that way despite the fact it was otherwise normal to do so.

Wood sarcophagi in the 2nd Dynasty and earlier were commonly made in a palace facade design. Note the curved lid typical of later stone counterparts:


If we take an inventory of all stone sarcophagi found from the 3rd Dynasty through the OK, it appears that beginning sometime shortly after Khufu this not only became the norm for sarcophagi, but they were in general quite obsessed with this old building in one form or another. I think this means something just as it means something when an OK pharoah's sarcophagi, like Khufu and Khafre, do not have the PF building.

A thought I have had that I have still not quite worked out yet, as discussed before, is that Djedefre appears to have rekindled the whole boat burying meme, a practice apparently abandoned in the 2nd Dynasty if not before, and first seen in the 1st Dynasty. The serekh features a PF building, I believe it is one and the same as those depicted on later sarcophagi ect, and is the very symbol of archaic Dynastic kingship from Dynasty 0. Taking accepted chronology at face value, Djedefre revitalizes boat burying and it is also with his reign, apparently, that the PF building is incorporated into sarcophagi and becomes a common artistic meme in general-both clear revivalist reverences to the archaic Dynastic period.

Why? What happened at this time that prompted this revivalist veneration of these early icons and practices? It is also at the beginning of the 4th Dynasty that the cartouche is invented and the serekh transitioned away from (though it is still used in some cases) which no longer incorporates the PF building and its associated symbolism which is quite important. My monkey brain is still working it out but no doubt this is all quite important to the continuing tale of the OK.

> This may tie in with the reversion to the mastaba
> after perfecting the pyramid as evidenced in the
> Big Two. The Pyramid of Menkaure somehow seems not
> to fit the pattern. Maybe Shepsekaf who had his
> finger in a couple of pies wasn't who he was said
> to be.

Shepseskaf is an interesting fellow.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 29-Oct-17 02:06 by Thanos5150.

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Mastaba of Shepsekaf 1421 Thanos5150 25-Oct-17 04:25
Quite the Mastaba...looks like walls can talk ;) 271 Racho 25-Oct-17 06:11
Re: Quite the Mastaba...looks like walls can talk ;) 208 Thanos5150 26-Oct-17 02:26
Why adapted/adopted 191 Racho 31-Oct-17 07:44
Re: Why adapted/adopted 311 Jon Ellison 31-Oct-17 09:25
Re: Quite the Mastaba...looks like walls can talk ;) 226 Barbelo 26-Oct-17 03:57
Gables v Arch 166 Barbelo 26-Oct-17 03:47
Re: Gables v Arch 194 Thanos5150 26-Oct-17 04:47
Re: Gables v Arch 181 Barbelo 26-Oct-17 05:12
Re: Gables v Arch 164 Thanos5150 26-Oct-17 05:39
Re: Gables v Arch 230 Barbelo 26-Oct-17 06:49
An Interesting Curve 194 Jon Ellison 26-Oct-17 23:20
Re: Gables v Arch 158 Thanos5150 27-Oct-17 00:34
Re: Gables v Arch 159 Barbelo 27-Oct-17 01:19
Re: Gables v Arch 162 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 01:36
Re: Gables v Arch 167 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 01:49
Re: Gables v Arch 151 Barbelo 27-Oct-17 02:05
Re: Gables v Arch 152 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 02:17
Re: Gables v Arch 161 Barbelo 27-Oct-17 02:27
Re: Gables v Arch 149 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 03:40
Re: Gables v Arch 161 Barbelo 27-Oct-17 05:22
Re: Gables v Arch 158 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 06:45
Gables v Arch vs Truss 195 Dr. Troglodyte 27-Oct-17 19:33
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 175 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 20:50
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 144 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 21:20
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 144 Jon Ellison 27-Oct-17 21:53
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 268 Dr. Troglodyte 27-Oct-17 22:47
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 157 Jon Ellison 28-Oct-17 07:34
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 323 Jon Ellison 28-Oct-17 07:53
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 166 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Oct-17 16:08
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 219 Jon Ellison 28-Oct-17 18:13
Re: Gables v Arch vs Truss 153 Dr. Troglodyte 28-Oct-17 16:07
Re: Gables v Arch 169 Thanos5150 27-Oct-17 21:40
Re: Gables v Arch 185 Origyptian 27-Oct-17 22:40
Re: Gables v Arch 227 Barbelo 28-Oct-17 00:01
Re: Gables v Arch 213 Origyptian 28-Oct-17 10:03
Re: Gables v Arch 184 Barbelo 28-Oct-17 10:56
Re: Gables v Arch 316 Origyptian 28-Oct-17 13:30
Re: Gables v Arch 148 Barbelo 28-Oct-17 19:57
Re: Gables v Arch 144 Origyptian 28-Oct-17 22:45
Re: Gables v Arch 158 Barbelo 28-Oct-17 23:05
Re: Gables v Arch 161 R Avry Wilson 28-Oct-17 23:48
Re: Gables v Arch 207 Corpuscles 29-Oct-17 00:51
Re: Gables v Arch 197 Origyptian 29-Oct-17 05:19
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 192 Origyptian 27-Oct-17 02:31
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 173 Thanos5150 27-Oct-17 22:18
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 155 Origyptian 27-Oct-17 22:50
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 157 Thanos5150 27-Oct-17 23:46
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 263 DUNE 27-Oct-17 07:58
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 159 Thanos5150 27-Oct-17 22:04
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 159 DUNE 27-Oct-17 23:08
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 337 Thanos5150 28-Oct-17 02:34
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 287 Corpuscles 28-Oct-17 04:43
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 161 Barbelo 28-Oct-17 20:06
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 225 Thanos5150 29-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 201 Origyptian 29-Oct-17 05:16
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 294 Thanos5150 29-Oct-17 05:39
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 240 Origyptian 29-Oct-17 14:09
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 197 Thanos5150 29-Oct-17 16:39
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 221 Origyptian 29-Oct-17 16:56
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 175 Thanos5150 28-Oct-17 16:00
Re: Mastaba of Shepsekaf 160 Barbelo 28-Oct-17 20:26


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