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"It's interesting that what you seemed to consider to be animal erosion tracks between the ruts in previous images actually fall to the right, and not between, the cart ruts in that last image. So maybe not animal tracks?

Meanwhile, no sign of animal tracks in the cross hatched lines between the ruts.
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At Ta Cenc, I saw quite no seemingly animal track traces between ruts. But there are not so many rut pairs visible and not along significant distances. The ground is quite flat, no slopes.

I do not consider systematically that any spot between ruts is a trace of hauling animal track. It seems clear that in many cases, there are no traces between the ruts pairs. On the other hand, in other places in Malta (that I saw only on photos)they are clearly visible. So to me, we can discuss until end of times, the point remains open.

In Malta, it seems that you can find evidence of cart animal hauling as well as evidence of no such animal traction. In some places (in book "Cart ruts and their impact on Maltese landscape", photo pages 34-35) you can see both types in the same area, with and without. So what?


I only said that in the case of Clapham Junction, which I consider to be an ancient quarry, it is quite inconclusive considering how messy and eroded is the whole terrain, including the ruts themselves.
In many cases, you just cannot ask "animal central tracks? yes or no". Just random holes, bumps and cracks.


This is what you see when starting visiting the site from the public parking after entrance, at the level of "eastfield farmhouse", no clear patterns and conclusive evidences (in addition you constantly have to look where you put the feet):


And I added in the same case that being a quarry with gentle converging slopes, it appeared to me possible that slabs transportation may have been operated downhill because of converging forks ruts at the bottom of slopes, not at the top. Then you may not need strong animal power to uplift unladen carts or whatever system.

But this explanation suits only in a quarry with moderate slopes like Clapham Junction. Elsewhere, I just can't say. Do you understand my point?

Did they have "railruts" hand cars? :)


Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 19-Apr-20 09:01 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 2035 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 572 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 428 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 601 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 454 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 383 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 354 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 358 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 355 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 311 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 336 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 339 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 299 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 343 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 319 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 332 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 327 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 275 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 264 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 385 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 239 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 288 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 252 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 345 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
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Re: Black Tracks 444 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
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Turkey Tracks 342 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 257 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 414 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 271 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 273 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 255 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 243 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 311 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 250 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 273 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 239 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
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