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"It's interesting that what you seemed to consider to be animal erosion tracks between the ruts in previous images actually fall to the right, and not between, the cart ruts in that last image. So maybe not animal tracks?

Meanwhile, no sign of animal tracks in the cross hatched lines between the ruts.
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At Ta Cenc, I saw quite no seemingly animal track traces between ruts. But there are not so many rut pairs visible and not along significant distances. The ground is quite flat, no slopes.

I do not consider systematically that any spot between ruts is a trace of hauling animal track. It seems clear that in many cases, there are no traces between the ruts pairs. On the other hand, in other places in Malta (that I saw only on photos)they are clearly visible. So to me, we can discuss until end of times, the point remains open.

In Malta, it seems that you can find evidence of cart animal hauling as well as evidence of no such animal traction. In some places (in book "Cart ruts and their impact on Maltese landscape", photo pages 34-35) you can see both types in the same area, with and without. So what?

I only said that in the case of Clapham Junction, which I consider to be an ancient quarry, it is quite inconclusive considering how messy and eroded is the whole terrain, including the ruts themselves.
In many cases, you just cannot ask "animal central tracks? yes or no". Just random holes, bumps and cracks.

This is what you see when starting visiting the site from the public parking after entrance, at the level of "eastfield farmhouse", no clear patterns and conclusive evidences (in addition you constantly have to look where you put the feet):


And I added in the same case that being a quarry with gentle converging slopes, it appeared to me possible that slabs transportation may have been operated downhill because of converging forks ruts at the bottom of slopes, not at the top. Then you may not need strong animal power to uplift unladen carts or whatever system.

But this explanation suits only in a quarry with moderate slopes like Clapham Junction. Elsewhere, I just can't say. Do you understand my point?

Did they have "railruts" hand cars? :)


Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 29-Nov-17 10:11 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1875 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 512 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 386 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 465 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 384 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 310 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 287 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 310 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 300 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 270 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 283 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 283 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 239 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 295 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 256 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 262 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 275 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 224 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 214 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 337 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 197 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 246 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 188 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 277 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 290 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 343 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 199 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 297 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 304 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 239 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 277 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
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Re: Turkey Tracks 274 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 219 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 251 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 245 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 204 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 287 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 212 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 330 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 227 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 196 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 200 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 247 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 210 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 232 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 193 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 196 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 180 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 207 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 300 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 225 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 234 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 345 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 192 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 223 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 329 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 210 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 229 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 451 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 212 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 232 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
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