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"It's interesting that what you seemed to consider to be animal erosion tracks between the ruts in previous images actually fall to the right, and not between, the cart ruts in that last image. So maybe not animal tracks?

Meanwhile, no sign of animal tracks in the cross hatched lines between the ruts.
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At Ta Cenc, I saw quite no seemingly animal track traces between ruts. But there are not so many rut pairs visible and not along significant distances. The ground is quite flat, no slopes.

I do not consider systematically that any spot between ruts is a trace of hauling animal track. It seems clear that in many cases, there are no traces between the ruts pairs. On the other hand, in other places in Malta (that I saw only on photos)they are clearly visible. So to me, we can discuss until end of times, the point remains open.

In Malta, it seems that you can find evidence of cart animal hauling as well as evidence of no such animal traction. In some places (in book "Cart ruts and their impact on Maltese landscape", photo pages 34-35) you can see both types in the same area, with and without. So what?

I only said that in the case of Clapham Junction, which I consider to be an ancient quarry, it is quite inconclusive considering how messy and eroded is the whole terrain, including the ruts themselves.
In many cases, you just cannot ask "animal central tracks? yes or no". Just random holes, bumps and cracks.

This is what you see when starting visiting the site from the public parking after entrance, at the level of "eastfield farmhouse", no clear patterns and conclusive evidences (in addition you constantly have to look where you put the feet):


And I added in the same case that being a quarry with gentle converging slopes, it appeared to me possible that slabs transportation may have been operated downhill because of converging forks ruts at the bottom of slopes, not at the top. Then you may not need strong animal power to uplift unladen carts or whatever system.

But this explanation suits only in a quarry with moderate slopes like Clapham Junction. Elsewhere, I just can't say. Do you understand my point?

Did they have "railruts" hand cars? :)


Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 29-Nov-17 10:11 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1744 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 429 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 338 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 413 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 341 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 253 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 241 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 251 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 248 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 233 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 236 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 237 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 200 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 240 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 212 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 222 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 223 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 169 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 302 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 164 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 208 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 141 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 223 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 234 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 292 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 164 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 246 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 232 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 225 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 216 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 293 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 245 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 193 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 211 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 183 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 173 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 148 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 221 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 160 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 253 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 230 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 134 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 315 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 226 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 164 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 147 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 176 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 209 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 147 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 251 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 259 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 161 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 159 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 154 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 177 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 153 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 161 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 253 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 111 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 138 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 291 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 144 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 168 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 248 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 179 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 145 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 364 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 185 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 136 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 224 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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