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"It's interesting that what you seemed to consider to be animal erosion tracks between the ruts in previous images actually fall to the right, and not between, the cart ruts in that last image. So maybe not animal tracks?

Meanwhile, no sign of animal tracks in the cross hatched lines between the ruts.
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At Ta Cenc, I saw quite no seemingly animal track traces between ruts. But there are not so many rut pairs visible and not along significant distances. The ground is quite flat, no slopes.

I do not consider systematically that any spot between ruts is a trace of hauling animal track. It seems clear that in many cases, there are no traces between the ruts pairs. On the other hand, in other places in Malta (that I saw only on photos)they are clearly visible. So to me, we can discuss until end of times, the point remains open.

In Malta, it seems that you can find evidence of cart animal hauling as well as evidence of no such animal traction. In some places (in book "Cart ruts and their impact on Maltese landscape", photo pages 34-35) you can see both types in the same area, with and without. So what?

I only said that in the case of Clapham Junction, which I consider to be an ancient quarry, it is quite inconclusive considering how messy and eroded is the whole terrain, including the ruts themselves.
In many cases, you just cannot ask "animal central tracks? yes or no". Just random holes, bumps and cracks.

This is what you see when starting visiting the site from the public parking after entrance, at the level of "eastfield farmhouse", no clear patterns and conclusive evidences (in addition you constantly have to look where you put the feet):


And I added in the same case that being a quarry with gentle converging slopes, it appeared to me possible that slabs transportation may have been operated downhill because of converging forks ruts at the bottom of slopes, not at the top. Then you may not need strong animal power to uplift unladen carts or whatever system.

But this explanation suits only in a quarry with moderate slopes like Clapham Junction. Elsewhere, I just can't say. Do you understand my point?

Did they have "railruts" hand cars? :)


Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 29-Nov-17 10:11 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1861 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 499 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 379 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 453 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 377 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 302 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 279 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 305 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 291 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 263 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 275 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 272 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 232 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 279 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 247 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 253 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 270 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 216 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 205 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 331 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 192 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 239 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 180 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 263 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 281 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 334 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 194 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 290 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 297 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 232 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 266 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 264 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 341 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 289 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
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Re: Turkey Tracks 198 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 212 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 224 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 211 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 177 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 302 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 292 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 261 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 172 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 370 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 265 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 181 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 234 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 240 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 279 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 320 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 195 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 190 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 194 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 237 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 222 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 198 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 184 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 190 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 177 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 224 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 171 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 185 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 293 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 214 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 226 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 333 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 216 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 322 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 202 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 196 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 165 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 438 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 225 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 429 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 227 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 215 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 187 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 261 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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