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"It's interesting that what you seemed to consider to be animal erosion tracks between the ruts in previous images actually fall to the right, and not between, the cart ruts in that last image. So maybe not animal tracks?

Meanwhile, no sign of animal tracks in the cross hatched lines between the ruts.
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At Ta Cenc, I saw quite no seemingly animal track traces between ruts. But there are not so many rut pairs visible and not along significant distances. The ground is quite flat, no slopes.

I do not consider systematically that any spot between ruts is a trace of hauling animal track. It seems clear that in many cases, there are no traces between the ruts pairs. On the other hand, in other places in Malta (that I saw only on photos)they are clearly visible. So to me, we can discuss until end of times, the point remains open.

In Malta, it seems that you can find evidence of cart animal hauling as well as evidence of no such animal traction. In some places (in book "Cart ruts and their impact on Maltese landscape", photo pages 34-35) you can see both types in the same area, with and without. So what?

I only said that in the case of Clapham Junction, which I consider to be an ancient quarry, it is quite inconclusive considering how messy and eroded is the whole terrain, including the ruts themselves.
In many cases, you just cannot ask "animal central tracks? yes or no". Just random holes, bumps and cracks.

This is what you see when starting visiting the site from the public parking after entrance, at the level of "eastfield farmhouse", no clear patterns and conclusive evidences (in addition you constantly have to look where you put the feet):


And I added in the same case that being a quarry with gentle converging slopes, it appeared to me possible that slabs transportation may have been operated downhill because of converging forks ruts at the bottom of slopes, not at the top. Then you may not need strong animal power to uplift unladen carts or whatever system.

But this explanation suits only in a quarry with moderate slopes like Clapham Junction. Elsewhere, I just can't say. Do you understand my point?

Did they have "railruts" hand cars? :)


Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 29-Nov-17 10:11 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1819 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 461 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 358 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 433 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 362 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 284 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 263 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 281 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 271 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 250 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 261 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 256 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 217 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 263 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 233 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 241 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 254 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 197 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 189 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 319 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 224 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 162 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 248 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 268 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 318 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 181 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 265 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 274 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 220 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 250 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 248 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 310 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 269 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 226 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 181 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 198 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 235 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 194 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 166 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 178 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 276 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 248 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 150 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 350 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 253 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 193 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 162 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 205 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 225 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 182 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 265 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 180 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 300 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 176 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 180 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 209 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 173 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 143 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 279 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 317 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 170 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 292 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 184 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 146 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 401 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 209 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 159 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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