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"It's interesting that what you seemed to consider to be animal erosion tracks between the ruts in previous images actually fall to the right, and not between, the cart ruts in that last image. So maybe not animal tracks?

Meanwhile, no sign of animal tracks in the cross hatched lines between the ruts.
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At Ta Cenc, I saw quite no seemingly animal track traces between ruts. But there are not so many rut pairs visible and not along significant distances. The ground is quite flat, no slopes.

I do not consider systematically that any spot between ruts is a trace of hauling animal track. It seems clear that in many cases, there are no traces between the ruts pairs. On the other hand, in other places in Malta (that I saw only on photos)they are clearly visible. So to me, we can discuss until end of times, the point remains open.

In Malta, it seems that you can find evidence of cart animal hauling as well as evidence of no such animal traction. In some places (in book "Cart ruts and their impact on Maltese landscape", photo pages 34-35) you can see both types in the same area, with and without. So what?

I only said that in the case of Clapham Junction, which I consider to be an ancient quarry, it is quite inconclusive considering how messy and eroded is the whole terrain, including the ruts themselves.
In many cases, you just cannot ask "animal central tracks? yes or no". Just random holes, bumps and cracks.

This is what you see when starting visiting the site from the public parking after entrance, at the level of "eastfield farmhouse", no clear patterns and conclusive evidences (in addition you constantly have to look where you put the feet):


And I added in the same case that being a quarry with gentle converging slopes, it appeared to me possible that slabs transportation may have been operated downhill because of converging forks ruts at the bottom of slopes, not at the top. Then you may not need strong animal power to uplift unladen carts or whatever system.

But this explanation suits only in a quarry with moderate slopes like Clapham Junction. Elsewhere, I just can't say. Do you understand my point?

Did they have "railruts" hand cars? :)


Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 29-Nov-17 10:11 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1645 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 370 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 301 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 347 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 297 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 210 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 209 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 214 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 211 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 202 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 204 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 200 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 170 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 199 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 185 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 186 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 141 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 136 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 269 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 133 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 172 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 107 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 189 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 196 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 247 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 136 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 218 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 221 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 179 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 196 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
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Re: Turkey Tracks 170 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
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Re: Turkey Tracks 105 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
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Re: Turkey Tracks 171 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 128 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 108 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 137 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 172 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 114 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 130 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 153 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 126 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 130 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 121 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 116 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 129 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 153 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 111 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 107 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 116 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 103 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 95 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 197 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 76 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 88 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 104 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 240 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 109 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 123 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 117 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 193 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 102 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 100 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 107 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 115 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 283 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 123 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 119 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 153 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 98 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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