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Audrey Wrote:
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> Tsurugi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Even with metal-rimmed wheels, there is still
> the
> > problem of ox-drawn carts following the same
> path
> > so precisely, and repeating it enough times as
> to
> > make deep ruts which their wheels could not
> > escape. This is the process which I feel needs
> to
> > be demonstrated. IMO, it won't be, because it
> is
> > ludicrous. This is ignored only because
> > alternatives are altogether unpalatable to
> > mainstream thinking.
> > contemporary?
>
> For comparison, there are the Oregon Trail ruts.
> One covered wagon following another. The wagons
> were pulled by horse or ox.


> The wagons didn't leave deep ruts
> in soil, but did in sandstone? What kind of wagon
> has a 5' high axle?

Great images and questions. All of my knowledge of the Oregon Trail comes from an ancient videogame of the same name, which I never was able to complete. I always died from dysentery or something in the mountains.

I do know that 'slickrock' was a huge concern for wagoners at the time. I went to Moab with friends to do some off-roading in the desert, where many of the trails follow the old wagon tracks, and you could tell how paranoid they were about traveling across expanses of smooth, hardened stone by the way they chopped at the surface, often digging a sunken roadway into it or cutting wheel tracks. The wagon wheels, being banded in iron, would easily slide sideways on smooth stone surfaces, resulting in a broken axle at best when a wheel fetched up against something that made it stop sliding. At worst the whole wagon could roll, breaking or killing everyone in it and ruinimg most of the supplies. So the paranoia was justified.

That's why I think you see packed soil surfaces with only defoliated tracks, but on expanses of stone there are cuts through it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 28-Nov-17 18:32 by Tsurugi.

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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 460 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 358 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 433 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 362 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 283 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 263 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 281 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
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Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 250 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 261 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
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Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 263 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
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Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 197 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
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Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 223 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 162 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
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