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Mike D Wrote:
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Jon Ellison
> Do I understand you correctly?
> Are you saying that the ruts were pre carved and
> constructed. A designed and constructed
> rut-way?

>
> At Clapham Junction I think that it has been the
> case. But in my opinion, no full carving was
> necessary, only shallow traces to open a guiding
> path, necessary a compromise to carry heavy loads
> along a track making an angle in relation to
> maximum slope. This in order to reduce braking
> force, so generating a moderate side strength of
> deflection of trajectory. Rails were here to
> control the lateral deviation. Engineer's
> compromise.
>
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The same
> What caused the vehicles to follow exactly the
> same route time and time again?

>
> Quarry work organization (In Clapham Junction)
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Jon..
> How were they navigated prior to the
> development of the ruts without defined roadways
> or choke points??

>
> Before opening of the quarry, they didn't.
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Jon said
> Why do we see central depressions in only a
> very few places, yet rut tracks in 100% of
> places?

>
> In Clapham Junction, quite all the terrain is so
> eroded, disturbed, full of totally random bumps,
> holes and cracks, looking so old, that you cannot
> honestly say what was inside the vast majority of
> tracks pairs, and so the point is unconclusive to
> me.
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Jon
> Even if the loaded journey was downhill the
> empty vehicle would need to make an uphill return
> journey.

>
> The uphill return journey was performed as you
> said with an empty vehicle, and along a slope,
> thus creating only a moderate pressure on cart
> ruts, and needing limited hauling power.

Hi Mike..
Thanks.

So you see an industrial complex (quarry) served by a designed and cut industrial 'Rutway'?
Similar to an industrial railway serving an industrial ship building yard.
No long distance routes as such, just localised transport around the complex?

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Clapham Junction Malta 2013 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 558 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 420 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 568 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 442 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 369 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 342 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 341 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 343 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 300 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 322 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 324 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 283 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 330 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 308 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 308 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 312 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 266 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 254 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 367 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 227 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 276 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 239 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 335 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 336 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 426 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 229 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 330 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 356 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 275 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 320 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 331 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 300 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 376 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 367 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 283 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 276 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 19:00
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Re: Turkey Tracks 237 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 262 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 18:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 267 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 234 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 244 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 266 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 329 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 270 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 260 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 237 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 399 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 258 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 340 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 301 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 233 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 435 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 324 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 268 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 221 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 307 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 278 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 247 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 335 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 246 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 392 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 259 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 262 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 237 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 229 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 292 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 239 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 255 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 269 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 297 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 251 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 247 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 234 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 269 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 249 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 294 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 202 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 237 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 353 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 300 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 232 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 286 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 409 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 261 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 229 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 297 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 265 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 223 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 382 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 233 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 272 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 267 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 217 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 266 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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