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Jon Ellison
Do I understand you correctly?
Are you saying that the ruts were pre carved and constructed. A designed and constructed rut-way?
At Clapham Junction I think that it has been the case. But in my opinion, no full carving was necessary, only shallow traces to open a guiding path, necessary a compromise to carry heavy loads along a track making an angle in relation to maximum slope. This in order to reduce braking force, so generating a moderate side strength of deflection of trajectory. Rails were here to control the lateral deviation. Engineer's compromise.
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The same
What caused the vehicles to follow exactly the same route time and time again?
Quarry work organization (In Clapham Junction)
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Jon..
How were they navigated prior to the development of the ruts without defined roadways or choke points??
Before opening of the quarry, they didn't.
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Jon said
Why do we see central depressions in only a very few places, yet rut tracks in 100% of places?
In Clapham Junction, quite all the terrain is so eroded, disturbed, full of totally random bumps, holes and cracks, looking so old, that you cannot honestly say what was inside the vast majority of tracks pairs, and so the point is unconclusive to me.
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Jon
Even if the loaded journey was downhill the empty vehicle would need to make an uphill return journey.
The uphill return journey was performed as you said with an empty vehicle, and along a slope, thus creating only a moderate pressure on cart ruts, and needing limited hauling power.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 28-Nov-17 10:13 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1643 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 370 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 299 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 346 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 296 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 208 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 208 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 214 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 211 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 202 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 204 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 199 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 169 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 198 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 178 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 185 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 184 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 140 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 134 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 268 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 131 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 171 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 106 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 188 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 196 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 245 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 135 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 217 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 220 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 178 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 2 158 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 139 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 135 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
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Re: Turkey Tracks 140 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 151 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
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Re: Turkey Tracks 116 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 127 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 204 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 196 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 104 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 256 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 170 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 128 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 108 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 136 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 171 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 113 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 214 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 130 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 130 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 121 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 115 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 111 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 106 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 115 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 103 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 104 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 94 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 197 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 75 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 88 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 104 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 238 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 108 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 123 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 117 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 193 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 99 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 100 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 114 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 92 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 100 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 282 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 119 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 289 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 138 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 98 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 174 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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