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Jon Ellison
Do I understand you correctly?
Are you saying that the ruts were pre carved and constructed. A designed and constructed rut-way?
At Clapham Junction I think that it has been the case. But in my opinion, no full carving was necessary, only shallow traces to open a guiding path, necessary a compromise to carry heavy loads along a track making an angle in relation to maximum slope. This in order to reduce braking force, so generating a moderate side strength of deflection of trajectory. Rails were here to control the lateral deviation. Engineer's compromise.
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The same
What caused the vehicles to follow exactly the same route time and time again?
Quarry work organization (In Clapham Junction)
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Jon..
How were they navigated prior to the development of the ruts without defined roadways or choke points??
Before opening of the quarry, they didn't.
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Jon said
Why do we see central depressions in only a very few places, yet rut tracks in 100% of places?
In Clapham Junction, quite all the terrain is so eroded, disturbed, full of totally random bumps, holes and cracks, looking so old, that you cannot honestly say what was inside the vast majority of tracks pairs, and so the point is unconclusive to me.
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Jon
Even if the loaded journey was downhill the empty vehicle would need to make an uphill return journey.
The uphill return journey was performed as you said with an empty vehicle, and along a slope, thus creating only a moderate pressure on cart ruts, and needing limited hauling power.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 28-Nov-17 10:13 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1860 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 498 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 378 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 451 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 376 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 298 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 278 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 303 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 290 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 262 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 274 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 270 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 231 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 277 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 246 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 252 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 268 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 213 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 204 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 330 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 190 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 237 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 179 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 262 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 280 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 333 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 193 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 289 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 291 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 260 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 170 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
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Re: Turkey Tracks 264 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 205 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 239 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 194 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 278 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 319 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 219 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 189 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 193 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 234 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 197 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 183 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 170 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 158 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 291 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 213 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 146 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 168 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 225 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 332 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 210 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 214 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 185 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 321 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 168 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 220 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 195 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 436 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 226 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 186 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 260 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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