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Jon Ellison
Do I understand you correctly?
Are you saying that the ruts were pre carved and constructed. A designed and constructed rut-way?
At Clapham Junction I think that it has been the case. But in my opinion, no full carving was necessary, only shallow traces to open a guiding path, necessary a compromise to carry heavy loads along a track making an angle in relation to maximum slope. This in order to reduce braking force, so generating a moderate side strength of deflection of trajectory. Rails were here to control the lateral deviation. Engineer's compromise.
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The same
What caused the vehicles to follow exactly the same route time and time again?
Quarry work organization (In Clapham Junction)
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Jon..
How were they navigated prior to the development of the ruts without defined roadways or choke points??
Before opening of the quarry, they didn't.
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Jon said
Why do we see central depressions in only a very few places, yet rut tracks in 100% of places?
In Clapham Junction, quite all the terrain is so eroded, disturbed, full of totally random bumps, holes and cracks, looking so old, that you cannot honestly say what was inside the vast majority of tracks pairs, and so the point is unconclusive to me.
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Jon
Even if the loaded journey was downhill the empty vehicle would need to make an uphill return journey.
The uphill return journey was performed as you said with an empty vehicle, and along a slope, thus creating only a moderate pressure on cart ruts, and needing limited hauling power.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 28-Nov-17 10:13 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1744 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 429 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 338 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 412 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 341 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 252 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 241 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 251 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 248 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 233 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 236 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 237 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 200 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 239 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 211 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 222 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 222 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 169 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 302 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 163 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 207 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 141 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 223 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 234 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 292 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 164 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 245 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 232 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
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Re: Turkey Tracks 216 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 292 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 245 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 193 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 161 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
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Re: Turkey Tracks 175 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 165 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
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Re: Turkey Tracks 183 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 173 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 148 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 160 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 253 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 229 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 134 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 315 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 226 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 164 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 147 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 176 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 209 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 147 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 251 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 259 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 161 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 159 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 153 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 177 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 158 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 149 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 153 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 161 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 252 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 110 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 120 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 138 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 291 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 144 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 147 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 168 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 248 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 179 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 123 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 145 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 364 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 372 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 185 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 136 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 223 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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