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Jon Ellison
Do I understand you correctly?
Are you saying that the ruts were pre carved and constructed. A designed and constructed rut-way?
At Clapham Junction I think that it has been the case. But in my opinion, no full carving was necessary, only shallow traces to open a guiding path, necessary a compromise to carry heavy loads along a track making an angle in relation to maximum slope. This in order to reduce braking force, so generating a moderate side strength of deflection of trajectory. Rails were here to control the lateral deviation. Engineer's compromise.
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The same
What caused the vehicles to follow exactly the same route time and time again?
Quarry work organization (In Clapham Junction)
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Jon..
How were they navigated prior to the development of the ruts without defined roadways or choke points??
Before opening of the quarry, they didn't.
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Jon said
Why do we see central depressions in only a very few places, yet rut tracks in 100% of places?
In Clapham Junction, quite all the terrain is so eroded, disturbed, full of totally random bumps, holes and cracks, looking so old, that you cannot honestly say what was inside the vast majority of tracks pairs, and so the point is unconclusive to me.
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Jon
Even if the loaded journey was downhill the empty vehicle would need to make an uphill return journey.
The uphill return journey was performed as you said with an empty vehicle, and along a slope, thus creating only a moderate pressure on cart ruts, and needing limited hauling power.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 28-Nov-17 10:13 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1690 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 399 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 317 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 377 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 318 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 230 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 223 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 232 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 229 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 218 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 219 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 218 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 185 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 215 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 194 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 205 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 204 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 159 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 152 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 285 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 147 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 188 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 125 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 207 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 213 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 268 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 146 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 231 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 146 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 190 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 133 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 227 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 145 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 224 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 168 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 142 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 138 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 149 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 171 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 129 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 122 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 107 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 137 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 143 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 222 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 157 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 90 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 102 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 122 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 264 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 122 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 126 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 143 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 129 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 219 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 318 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 113 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 201 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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