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Jon Ellison
Do I understand you correctly?
Are you saying that the ruts were pre carved and constructed. A designed and constructed rut-way?
At Clapham Junction I think that it has been the case. But in my opinion, no full carving was necessary, only shallow traces to open a guiding path, necessary a compromise to carry heavy loads along a track making an angle in relation to maximum slope. This in order to reduce braking force, so generating a moderate side strength of deflection of trajectory. Rails were here to control the lateral deviation. Engineer's compromise.
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The same
What caused the vehicles to follow exactly the same route time and time again?
Quarry work organization (In Clapham Junction)
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Jon..
How were they navigated prior to the development of the ruts without defined roadways or choke points??
Before opening of the quarry, they didn't.
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Jon said
Why do we see central depressions in only a very few places, yet rut tracks in 100% of places?
In Clapham Junction, quite all the terrain is so eroded, disturbed, full of totally random bumps, holes and cracks, looking so old, that you cannot honestly say what was inside the vast majority of tracks pairs, and so the point is unconclusive to me.
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Jon
Even if the loaded journey was downhill the empty vehicle would need to make an uphill return journey.
The uphill return journey was performed as you said with an empty vehicle, and along a slope, thus creating only a moderate pressure on cart ruts, and needing limited hauling power.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 28-Nov-17 10:13 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 2028 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 565 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 426 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 592 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 449 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 378 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 348 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 353 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 351 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 308 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 332 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 333 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 295 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 336 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 317 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 327 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 319 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 272 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 260 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 377 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 232 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 284 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 244 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 342 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 342 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 441 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 235 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 338 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 257 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 253 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 409 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 267 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 270 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 253 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 238 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 301 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 247 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 264 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 278 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 263 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 258 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 247 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 306 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 206 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 239 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 294 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 420 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 269 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 237 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 306 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 274 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 232 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 396 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 241 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 279 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 227 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 275 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 312 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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