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Jon Ellison
Do I understand you correctly?
Are you saying that the ruts were pre carved and constructed. A designed and constructed rut-way?
At Clapham Junction I think that it has been the case. But in my opinion, no full carving was necessary, only shallow traces to open a guiding path, necessary a compromise to carry heavy loads along a track making an angle in relation to maximum slope. This in order to reduce braking force, so generating a moderate side strength of deflection of trajectory. Rails were here to control the lateral deviation. Engineer's compromise.
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The same
What caused the vehicles to follow exactly the same route time and time again?
Quarry work organization (In Clapham Junction)
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Jon..
How were they navigated prior to the development of the ruts without defined roadways or choke points??
Before opening of the quarry, they didn't.
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Jon said
Why do we see central depressions in only a very few places, yet rut tracks in 100% of places?
In Clapham Junction, quite all the terrain is so eroded, disturbed, full of totally random bumps, holes and cracks, looking so old, that you cannot honestly say what was inside the vast majority of tracks pairs, and so the point is unconclusive to me.
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Jon
Even if the loaded journey was downhill the empty vehicle would need to make an uphill return journey.
The uphill return journey was performed as you said with an empty vehicle, and along a slope, thus creating only a moderate pressure on cart ruts, and needing limited hauling power.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 28-Nov-17 10:13 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1825 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 467 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 361 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 439 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 364 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 286 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 265 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 284 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 276 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 253 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 264 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 259 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 220 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 267 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 237 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 243 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 257 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 202 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 191 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 322 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 181 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 226 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 165 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 250 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 270 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 322 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 185 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 268 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 194 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 164 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
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Re: Turkey Tracks 228 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 185 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 302 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 210 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 183 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 178 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 183 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 216 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 177 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 158 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 147 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 192 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 281 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 157 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 320 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 171 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 195 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 172 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 296 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 156 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 206 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 171 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 191 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 164 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 251 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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