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Origyptian Wrote:
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> I think this is the most damning part of that
> story. There is no logical scenario in which a
> cart would follow the exact same
> path to make such clearly defined ruts. Rather,
> any ruts caused by many thousands of cart runs
> long such a terrain would leave broad, shallow
> valleys around the tracks that represent the
> slight deviation from an exact path. Such broad
> shallow recesses would gradually slip into a
> central deeper rut as additional cart runs ensue,
> but that's not what we see. There is also no
> evidence of any beast of burden having applied any
> traction to the bedrock representing an effort to
> haul such huge weights that would cause that kind
> of 'erosion' into such stone. So what's the energy
> source of the authors' model?

One of my biggest problems with the calculations in that paper was the usage of something they referred to as the "stress concentration factor" which sort of magically allowed them to magnify the erosive effects of cart wheels by a factor of ten. As a result they concluded that the passage of a single unladen cart while the limestone was wet would cause structural failure in the limestone significant enough to erode it noticably.
They figured a cart would weigh around 0.6 tons. Remove the "stress concentration factor" and suddenly you need carts pulling 6 ton loads before any erosion begins, which seems far more plausible to me...?

In any case, the entire cart argument strikes me as a kind of special pleading.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1797 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 451 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 353 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 428 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 355 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 274 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 256 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 273 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 264 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 243 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 253 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 252 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 211 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 257 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 227 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 236 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 247 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 192 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 182 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 313 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 173 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 218 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 155 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 241 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 257 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 312 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 174 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 258 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 265 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 215 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 248 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 242 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 237 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 304 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 259 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 218 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 183 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 19:00
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Re: Turkey Tracks 175 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 200 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 18:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 188 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 176 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 192 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 187 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 227 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 201 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 187 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 158 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 256 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 172 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 241 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 145 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 340 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 247 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 185 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 157 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 196 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 219 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 170 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 261 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 172 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 289 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 170 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 172 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 174 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 180 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 171 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 170 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 137 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 171 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 271 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 127 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 142 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 308 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 156 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 163 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 191 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 163 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 277 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 146 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 165 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 172 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 390 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 183 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 202 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 179 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 394 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 153 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 243 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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