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Origyptian Wrote:
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> I think this is the most damning part of that
> story. There is no logical scenario in which a
> cart would follow the exact same
> path to make such clearly defined ruts. Rather,
> any ruts caused by many thousands of cart runs
> long such a terrain would leave broad, shallow
> valleys around the tracks that represent the
> slight deviation from an exact path. Such broad
> shallow recesses would gradually slip into a
> central deeper rut as additional cart runs ensue,
> but that's not what we see. There is also no
> evidence of any beast of burden having applied any
> traction to the bedrock representing an effort to
> haul such huge weights that would cause that kind
> of 'erosion' into such stone. So what's the energy
> source of the authors' model?

One of my biggest problems with the calculations in that paper was the usage of something they referred to as the "stress concentration factor" which sort of magically allowed them to magnify the erosive effects of cart wheels by a factor of ten. As a result they concluded that the passage of a single unladen cart while the limestone was wet would cause structural failure in the limestone significant enough to erode it noticably.
They figured a cart would weigh around 0.6 tons. Remove the "stress concentration factor" and suddenly you need carts pulling 6 ton loads before any erosion begins, which seems far more plausible to me...?

In any case, the entire cart argument strikes me as a kind of special pleading.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1643 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 370 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 299 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 346 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 297 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 209 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 209 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 214 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 211 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 202 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 204 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 200 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 169 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 198 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 178 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 185 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 185 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 141 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 134 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 269 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 131 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 172 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 106 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 188 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 196 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 245 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 135 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 218 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 220 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 178 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 196 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 194 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 181 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 214 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 158 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 133 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 19:00
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Re: Turkey Tracks 133 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 139 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 18:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 140 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 135 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 139 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 132 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 140 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 151 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 142 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 116 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 169 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 128 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 204 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 196 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 104 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 256 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 170 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 128 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 108 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 136 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 171 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 113 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 214 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 130 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 125 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 130 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 121 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 115 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 111 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 106 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 116 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 103 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 94 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 197 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 76 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 88 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 104 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 238 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 109 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 123 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 117 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 193 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 99 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 100 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 106 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 114 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 93 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 100 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 283 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 119 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 289 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 98 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 175 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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