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Origyptian Wrote:
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> I think this is the most damning part of that
> story. There is no logical scenario in which a
> cart would follow the exact same
> path to make such clearly defined ruts. Rather,
> any ruts caused by many thousands of cart runs
> long such a terrain would leave broad, shallow
> valleys around the tracks that represent the
> slight deviation from an exact path. Such broad
> shallow recesses would gradually slip into a
> central deeper rut as additional cart runs ensue,
> but that's not what we see. There is also no
> evidence of any beast of burden having applied any
> traction to the bedrock representing an effort to
> haul such huge weights that would cause that kind
> of 'erosion' into such stone. So what's the energy
> source of the authors' model?

One of my biggest problems with the calculations in that paper was the usage of something they referred to as the "stress concentration factor" which sort of magically allowed them to magnify the erosive effects of cart wheels by a factor of ten. As a result they concluded that the passage of a single unladen cart while the limestone was wet would cause structural failure in the limestone significant enough to erode it noticably.
They figured a cart would weigh around 0.6 tons. Remove the "stress concentration factor" and suddenly you need carts pulling 6 ton loads before any erosion begins, which seems far more plausible to me...?

In any case, the entire cart argument strikes me as a kind of special pleading.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1681 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 393 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 314 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 374 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 315 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 227 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 222 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 230 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 226 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 218 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 217 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 217 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 182 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 214 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 193 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 201 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 201 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 155 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 150 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 282 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 146 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 186 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 124 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 203 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 210 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 267 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 145 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 227 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 234 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 192 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 210 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 208 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 194 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 270 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 230 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 171 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 146 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 19:00
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Re: Turkey Tracks 144 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 156 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 18:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 152 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 147 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 152 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 148 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 154 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 165 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 156 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 129 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 188 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 141 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 225 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 118 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 276 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 191 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 144 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 120 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 154 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 188 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 131 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 224 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 144 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 223 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 138 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 140 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 136 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 131 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 147 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 168 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 127 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 120 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 130 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 116 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 147 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 119 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 218 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 156 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 89 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 101 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 263 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 120 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 123 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 216 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 144 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 113 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 158 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 129 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 107 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 117 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 311 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 137 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 328 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 111 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 195 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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