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Mike D Wrote:
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> Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder
> is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological
> question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of
> them run on the most recent limestone layer, the
> Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older
> and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 20291,1124753#msg-1124753]Malta geology and cart
> ruts distribution correspondence[/url]
> And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify
> my views and state of mind:
> [url=http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,11
> 20291,1124920#msg-1124920]Answer to Jon
> Ellison[/url]
> To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of
> very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out
> solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to
> the case of Malta, altough they must also be old,
> before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be
> contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me.
> Considering that more wet paleo climate may have
> helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to
> Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of
> Gizah Sphinx.
> Now, to answer your question: [quote="Tsurugi
> question:"]
> That said, your observations of quarry features
> around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question:
> is there anything you noticed that definitely
> makes the quarry features and the ruts
> contemporary?
> [/quote]
> I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist,
> nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer
> familiar with technical and production questions,
> Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones
> wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry.
> In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with
> random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin
> to understand the overall pattern, but it comes
> gradually.
> On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches
> of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie
> beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe
> Punic, Greek, Roman.
> But in the end I realized that in ruts areas we
> were walking on man-made artificially levelled
> parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and
> inclined), all of same limited height and width.
> The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And
> then I realized that they were all crossed by
> parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was
> constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were
> following geological sedimentary layers to
> optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was
> defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
> No evidence of course.

Hi Mike..
No Worries..

One of the problems I have with the "Ruts cut by repeated traffic" idea is that where we see genuine cart ruts . Roman etc.. they are usually the result of the vehicles being constricted by a built road, side walls or a natural choke point. Not meandering all over the landscape. It would take the passing of probably hundreds of carts to even begin to define a cart track which could be subsequently followed by more carts. Of course this is entirely understandable in the case of a road or choke point as above.
Question is.. How do the meandering cart tracks on rock get started for others to follow? How did cart number two follow exactly cart number one? and so on until there was something well enough defined to follow.
One of the reasons why I currently think that the ruts are not the result high intensity, repeated traffic on hard stuff.
Rather low frequency traffic on soft stuff that is deliberately trying to avoid previous tracks.. For example driving a 4X4 over a deeply rutted, un-constricted area, you tend to try to stay out of the ruts due to your axle height and ground clearance issues. Resulting in sets of tracks meandering all over the place. The "Ski Resort" effect.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1725 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 421 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 332 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 398 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 333 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 243 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 236 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 244 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 240 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 228 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 230 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 231 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 193 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 231 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 206 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 216 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 215 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 173 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 163 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 295 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 160 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 201 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 137 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 217 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 227 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 285 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 160 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 240 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 249 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 203 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 224 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 220 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 212 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 287 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 242 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 186 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 159 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 19:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 129 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 04:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 159 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 172 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 18:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 167 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 160 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 169 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 164 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 179 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 169 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 144 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 155 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 246 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 225 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 131 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 304 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 216 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 160 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 139 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 171 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 202 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 143 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 247 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 247 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 179 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 156 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 154 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 150 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 162 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 185 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 146 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 144 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 131 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 162 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 123 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 149 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 157 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 244 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 172 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 113 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 286 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 137 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 142 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 240 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 162 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 130 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 116 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 344 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 170 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 149 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 356 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 129 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 214 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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