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Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of them run on the most recent limestone layer, the Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
Malta geology and cart ruts distribution correspondence
And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify my views and state of mind:
Answer to Jon Ellison
To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to the case of Malta, although they must also be old, before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me. Considering that more wet paleo climate may have helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of Gizah Sphinx.
Now, to answer your question:
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Tsurugi question:
That said, your observations of quarry features around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question: is there anything you noticed that definitely makes the quarry features and the ruts contemporary?
I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist, nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer familiar with technical and production questions, Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry. In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin to understand the overall pattern, but it comes gradually.
On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe Punic, Greek, Roman.
But in the end I realized that in several ruts areas we were walking on man-made artificially levelled parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and inclined), all of same limited height and width.
The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And then I realized that they were all crossed by parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were following geological sedimentary layers to optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
No evidence of course. I visited this site more as a tourist than as a specialist, I did not check every square inch of terrain, I missed a lot of zones. In addition, I confess I should have had accurate maps, google earth prints and a compass, or a GPS. Unfortunately, as a good tourist, I only had my camera, and a limited sight at man's height.
Definitely, this site should be mapped to professionaly check if it was a quarry with tracks, yes or no.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 27-Nov-17 11:16 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1875 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 512 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 386 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 465 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 384 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 310 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 287 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 310 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 300 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 270 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 282 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 283 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 239 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 294 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 256 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 262 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 275 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 224 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 214 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 337 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 197 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 246 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 188 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 277 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 290 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 343 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 199 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 297 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 303 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 239 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 277 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
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Re: Turkey Tracks 347 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 302 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 250 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 261 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
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Re: Turkey Tracks 185 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 205 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 302 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 268 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 184 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
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Re: Turkey Tracks 274 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 219 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 250 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 245 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 204 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 287 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 212 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 330 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 227 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 196 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 200 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 247 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 209 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 232 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 192 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 196 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 180 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 164 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 207 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 300 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 225 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 233 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 345 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 192 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 223 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 328 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 210 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 229 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 203 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 180 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 451 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 212 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 198 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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