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Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of them run on the most recent limestone layer, the Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
Malta geology and cart ruts distribution correspondence
And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify my views and state of mind:
Answer to Jon Ellison
To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to the case of Malta, although they must also be old, before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me. Considering that more wet paleo climate may have helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of Gizah Sphinx.
Now, to answer your question:
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Tsurugi question:
That said, your observations of quarry features around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question: is there anything you noticed that definitely makes the quarry features and the ruts contemporary?
I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist, nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer familiar with technical and production questions, Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry. In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin to understand the overall pattern, but it comes gradually.
On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe Punic, Greek, Roman.
But in the end I realized that in several ruts areas we were walking on man-made artificially levelled parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and inclined), all of same limited height and width.
The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And then I realized that they were all crossed by parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were following geological sedimentary layers to optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
No evidence of course. I visited this site more as a tourist than as a specialist, I did not check every square inch of terrain, I missed a lot of zones. In addition, I confess I should have had accurate maps, google earth prints and a compass, or a GPS. Unfortunately, as a good tourist, I only had my camera, and a limited sight at man's height.
Definitely, this site should be mapped to professionaly check if it was a quarry with tracks, yes or no.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 27-Nov-17 11:16 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 2035 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 573 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 429 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 602 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 455 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 385 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 355 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 360 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 358 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 313 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 337 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 341 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 300 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 344 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 321 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 333 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 329 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 277 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 265 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 386 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 240 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 289 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 253 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 346 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 347 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 445 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 239 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 343 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 366 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 294 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 391 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 386 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 294 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 255 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 271 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 352 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 311 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 247 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 451 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 338 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 281 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 291 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 261 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 348 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 258 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 416 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 272 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 274 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 256 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 244 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 312 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 251 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 270 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 287 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 311 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 267 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 260 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 249 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 264 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 252 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 368 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 311 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 212 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 243 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 214 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 298 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 425 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 274 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 244 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 309 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 280 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 240 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 244 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 285 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 230 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 285 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 229 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 581 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 279 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 281 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 285 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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