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Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of them run on the most recent limestone layer, the Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
Malta geology and cart ruts distribution correspondence
And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify my views and state of mind:
Answer to Jon Ellison
To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to the case of Malta, although they must also be old, before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me. Considering that more wet paleo climate may have helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of Gizah Sphinx.
Now, to answer your question:
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Tsurugi question:
That said, your observations of quarry features around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question: is there anything you noticed that definitely makes the quarry features and the ruts contemporary?
I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist, nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer familiar with technical and production questions, Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry. In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin to understand the overall pattern, but it comes gradually.
On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe Punic, Greek, Roman.
But in the end I realized that in several ruts areas we were walking on man-made artificially levelled parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and inclined), all of same limited height and width.
The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And then I realized that they were all crossed by parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were following geological sedimentary layers to optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
No evidence of course. I visited this site more as a tourist than as a specialist, I did not check every square inch of terrain, I missed a lot of zones. In addition, I confess I should have had accurate maps, google earth prints and a compass, or a GPS. Unfortunately, as a good tourist, I only had my camera, and a limited sight at man's height.
Definitely, this site should be mapped to professionaly check if it was a quarry with tracks, yes or no.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 27-Nov-17 11:16 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1689 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 398 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 316 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 376 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 318 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 230 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 223 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 231 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 229 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 218 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 218 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 218 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 183 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 215 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 194 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 205 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 204 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 158 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 152 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 285 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 147 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 187 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 125 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 207 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 213 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 268 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 146 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 231 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 237 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 193 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 212 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
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Re: Turkey Tracks 197 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 272 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 233 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 172 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 154 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 149 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 154 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 151 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 156 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 165 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
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Re: Turkey Tracks 131 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 190 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 142 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 226 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 211 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 121 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 279 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 146 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 122 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 157 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 189 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 133 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 227 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 145 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 224 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 142 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 138 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 170 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 129 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 133 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 122 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 120 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 107 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 142 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 157 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 90 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 102 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 122 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 264 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 122 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 125 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 142 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 129 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 219 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 118 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 158 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 107 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 122 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 316 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 152 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 137 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 112 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 200 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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