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Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of them run on the most recent limestone layer, the Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
Malta geology and cart ruts distribution correspondence
And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify my views and state of mind:
Answer to Jon Ellison
To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to the case of Malta, although they must also be old, before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me. Considering that more wet paleo climate may have helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of Gizah Sphinx.
Now, to answer your question:
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Tsurugi question:
That said, your observations of quarry features around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question: is there anything you noticed that definitely makes the quarry features and the ruts contemporary?
I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist, nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer familiar with technical and production questions, Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry. In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin to understand the overall pattern, but it comes gradually.
On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe Punic, Greek, Roman.
But in the end I realized that in several ruts areas we were walking on man-made artificially levelled parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and inclined), all of same limited height and width.
The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And then I realized that they were all crossed by parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were following geological sedimentary layers to optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
No evidence of course. I visited this site more as a tourist than as a specialist, I did not check every square inch of terrain, I missed a lot of zones. In addition, I confess I should have had accurate maps, google earth prints and a compass, or a GPS. Unfortunately, as a good tourist, I only had my camera, and a limited sight at man's height.
Definitely, this site should be mapped to professionaly check if it was a quarry with tracks, yes or no.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 27-Nov-17 11:16 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1819 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 461 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 358 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 434 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 362 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 284 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 263 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 281 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 271 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 250 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 261 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 256 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 217 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 263 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 234 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 241 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 254 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 198 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 189 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 319 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 224 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 162 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 248 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 268 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 318 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 181 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 265 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 274 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 220 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 250 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 248 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 310 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 269 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 226 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 193 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 181 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 198 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 192 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 235 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 194 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 166 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 178 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 276 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 248 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 150 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 350 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 253 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 193 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 162 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 205 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 225 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 182 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 265 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 180 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 300 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 176 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 180 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 209 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 165 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 156 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 143 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 280 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 317 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 170 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 292 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 161 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 184 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 146 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 183 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 401 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 209 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 210 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 159 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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