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Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of them run on the most recent limestone layer, the Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
Malta geology and cart ruts distribution correspondence
And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify my views and state of mind:
Answer to Jon Ellison
To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to the case of Malta, although they must also be old, before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me. Considering that more wet paleo climate may have helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of Gizah Sphinx.
Now, to answer your question:
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Tsurugi question:
That said, your observations of quarry features around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question: is there anything you noticed that definitely makes the quarry features and the ruts contemporary?
I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist, nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer familiar with technical and production questions, Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry. In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin to understand the overall pattern, but it comes gradually.
On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe Punic, Greek, Roman.
But in the end I realized that in several ruts areas we were walking on man-made artificially levelled parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and inclined), all of same limited height and width.
The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And then I realized that they were all crossed by parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were following geological sedimentary layers to optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
No evidence of course. I visited this site more as a tourist than as a specialist, I did not check every square inch of terrain, I missed a lot of zones. In addition, I confess I should have had accurate maps, google earth prints and a compass, or a GPS. Unfortunately, as a good tourist, I only had my camera, and a limited sight at man's height.
Definitely, this site should be mapped to professionaly check if it was a quarry with tracks, yes or no.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 27-Nov-17 11:16 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1861 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 499 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 379 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 454 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 377 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 302 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 279 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 305 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 291 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 263 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 275 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 272 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 232 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 279 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 248 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 253 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 270 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 217 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 205 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 331 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 192 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 239 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 180 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 263 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 281 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 334 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 194 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 290 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 297 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 232 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 266 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 264 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 341 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 289 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 243 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
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Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 292 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 261 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 172 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 370 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 265 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 181 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 234 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 240 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 279 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 320 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 195 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 190 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 194 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 237 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 222 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 198 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 185 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 190 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 172 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 294 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 214 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 226 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 333 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 216 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 322 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 177 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 202 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 196 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 165 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 438 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 225 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 227 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 187 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 261 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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