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Before to answer to you on your point, hereunder is a post to Harry Wolf to expose the geological question raising about Malta ruts: About 90% of them run on the most recent limestone layer, the Coralline, whereas they are only a few on older and softer limestone layer, namely Globigerina.
Malta geology and cart ruts distribution correspondence
And after, please see my answer to Jon to clarify my views and state of mind:
Answer to Jon Ellison
To me, even if I am not opposed to the theory of very, very old imprints on soft clay that turn out solid afterwards, I don't think it can apply to the case of Malta, although they must also be old, before catastrophes in the Mediterranean, may be contemporary of Atlantis, not impossible to me. Considering that more wet paleo climate may have helped the wear of tracks, I am thinking here to Robert Soch claims about the water erosion of Gizah Sphinx.
Now, to answer your question:
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Tsurugi question:
That said, your observations of quarry features around rut "hubs" is very interesting. Question: is there anything you noticed that definitely makes the quarry features and the ruts contemporary?
I cannot say definitely, not being a geologist, nor a quarry expert. But being an engineer familiar with technical and production questions, Clapham Junction looked to me a very old (stones wear, ground erosion) and well organised quarry. In the beginning it seems just to be a mess with random "cart ruts". And little by little you begin to understand the overall pattern, but it comes gradually.
On the sides of the ruts areas are clear patches of rock extraction patterns, but they don't lie beside ruts and maybe are younger than ruts. Maybe Punic, Greek, Roman.
But in the end I realized that in several ruts areas we were walking on man-made artificially levelled parallel strips of rocky terrain, all flat (and inclined), all of same limited height and width.
The idea of cutting benches became pregnant. And then I realized that they were all crossed by parallel cart ruts, and the crossing angle was constant. It seem to me that cutting benches were following geological sedimentary layers to optimize rock quality, whereas ruts direction was defined to optimize a constant tracks slope.
No evidence of course. I visited this site more as a tourist than as a specialist, I did not check every square inch of terrain, I missed a lot of zones. In addition, I confess I should have had accurate maps, google earth prints and a compass, or a GPS. Unfortunately, as a good tourist, I only had my camera, and a limited sight at man's height.
Definitely, this site should be mapped to professionaly check if it was a quarry with tracks, yes or no.

Michel Demaria (retired engineer, France)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 27-Nov-17 11:16 by Mike D.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1648 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 373 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 303 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 348 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 297 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 211 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 211 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 216 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 214 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 203 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 205 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 202 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 171 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 200 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 180 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 187 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 186 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 144 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 136 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 270 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 134 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 172 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 110 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 192 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 198 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 248 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 136 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 218 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 222 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 179 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 197 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 197 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 182 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 256 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 216 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 160 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 134 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 05:00
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Re: Turkey Tracks 140 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
Re: Turkey Tracks 137 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 19:20
Re: Turkey Tracks 140 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 134 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 20:12
Re: Turkey Tracks 142 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 153 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 146 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 118 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 171 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 130 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 197 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 106 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 259 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 174 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 129 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 108 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 140 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 172 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 116 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 216 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 130 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 206 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 127 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 132 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 122 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 117 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 129 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 153 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 114 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 109 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 117 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 105 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 106 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 106 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 95 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 120 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 125 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 198 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 143 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 76 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 89 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 106 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 242 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 107 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 110 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 125 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 117 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 195 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 103 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 135 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 101 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 142 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 109 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 116 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 96 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 102 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 284 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 120 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 293 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 100 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 178 Mike D 30-Nov-17 10:59


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