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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Their hypothesis is that the limestone softens
> when it gets wet so that carts using the exact
> same path will eventually cut into the bedrock
> leaving those tracks. And when the track gets too
> deep to continue using, another path is chosen,
> which itself eventually gets worn into a track,
> etc.

Yes that is a popular hypothesis, but it only works if you sort of squint at it while it's at the edge of your peripheral vision and you don't look too long (imo).

As soon as I start thinking about that hypothesis, the first question I have is, if the passage of the carts can dig ruts in limestone up to three feet deep, where are the tracks of the beasts of burden being used to pull the carts? I mentioned this in my initial post, and Jon asked it a few replies back. It is a good question; the answer is that there are no corresponding animal tracks between the ruts. Sometimes there are irregularities between a given set of ruts that might be tracks of some kind, however, these tracks(if that is what these irregularities are) are so heavily degraded that it is impossible to tell what they are. And they only appear in short stretches between a given set of ruts.

Next question, how did large-wheeled fixed-axle carts actually move along these ruts? They are too deep, too narrow. Going into a turn would break the wheels and probably snap the axle. At the very least, the cart would get jammed and be unable to move

Next question, what about the ruts that are 10-12 inches across each rut? They are too uniform to be anything but ruts made by wheels that are in fact close to the width indicated by the ruts. AFAIK wheels stayed rail-thin until the advent of inflated tires. The "limestone softened by rain" hypothesis doesn't really work if wheels have to somehow cut channels much wider than they are, with a relatively stable and uniform cross-section.

Next question, what about the ruts in rock other than limestone?

Next question, what about ruts that go right over cliff edges, or down beneath sea level? Remember that on Malta at least, human occupation is not supposed to begin until the Neolithic period, long after any major sea level rises have taken place. And how long exactly does it take, how many passes would it require, for the wooden wheels of a cart to cut deeply into stone? A hundred thousand passes? A million? It makes me suspicious that this idea is tossed out there as a tentative hypothesis, but no one seems keen to actually test it, you know, by setting up something fairly simple so that wooden cart wheels with heavy loads on them roll back and forth across limestone kept wet with a sprinkler or something to see if we can actually produce a rut this way. Instead, what we see is that the tentative hypothesis, after being unchallenged for a certain amount of time, begins to be referred to as fact.

I live on a limestone plateau. No wooden wheel ever cut into any limestone, if you ask me :)


P. S. I am arguing against the hypothesis, not Origyptian.

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Clapham Junction Malta 2035 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 573 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 429 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 602 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 455 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 385 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 355 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 359 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 356 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 312 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 337 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 340 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 300 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 343 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 321 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 333 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 328 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 276 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 265 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 386 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 240 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 289 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 253 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 346 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 346 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 445 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 239 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 343 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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Re: Turkey Tracks 281 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 261 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 258 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 416 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 271 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 274 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 256 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 244 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 312 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 251 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 270 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 287 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 215 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 252 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 311 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 212 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 214 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 297 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 425 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 274 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 244 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 309 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 280 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 240 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 244 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 230 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 229 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 279 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
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