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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Their hypothesis is that the limestone softens
> when it gets wet so that carts using the exact
> same path will eventually cut into the bedrock
> leaving those tracks. And when the track gets too
> deep to continue using, another path is chosen,
> which itself eventually gets worn into a track,
> etc.

Yes that is a popular hypothesis, but it only works if you sort of squint at it while it's at the edge of your peripheral vision and you don't look too long (imo).

As soon as I start thinking about that hypothesis, the first question I have is, if the passage of the carts can dig ruts in limestone up to three feet deep, where are the tracks of the beasts of burden being used to pull the carts? I mentioned this in my initial post, and Jon asked it a few replies back. It is a good question; the answer is that there are no corresponding animal tracks between the ruts. Sometimes there are irregularities between a given set of ruts that might be tracks of some kind, however, these tracks(if that is what these irregularities are) are so heavily degraded that it is impossible to tell what they are. And they only appear in short stretches between a given set of ruts.

Next question, how did large-wheeled fixed-axle carts actually move along these ruts? They are too deep, too narrow. Going into a turn would break the wheels and probably snap the axle. At the very least, the cart would get jammed and be unable to move

Next question, what about the ruts that are 10-12 inches across each rut? They are too uniform to be anything but ruts made by wheels that are in fact close to the width indicated by the ruts. AFAIK wheels stayed rail-thin until the advent of inflated tires. The "limestone softened by rain" hypothesis doesn't really work if wheels have to somehow cut channels much wider than they are, with a relatively stable and uniform cross-section.

Next question, what about the ruts in rock other than limestone?

Next question, what about ruts that go right over cliff edges, or down beneath sea level? Remember that on Malta at least, human occupation is not supposed to begin until the Neolithic period, long after any major sea level rises have taken place. And how long exactly does it take, how many passes would it require, for the wooden wheels of a cart to cut deeply into stone? A hundred thousand passes? A million? It makes me suspicious that this idea is tossed out there as a tentative hypothesis, but no one seems keen to actually test it, you know, by setting up something fairly simple so that wooden cart wheels with heavy loads on them roll back and forth across limestone kept wet with a sprinkler or something to see if we can actually produce a rut this way. Instead, what we see is that the tentative hypothesis, after being unchallenged for a certain amount of time, begins to be referred to as fact.

I live on a limestone plateau. No wooden wheel ever cut into any limestone, if you ask me :)


P. S. I am arguing against the hypothesis, not Origyptian.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1744 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 429 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 338 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 413 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 341 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 253 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 241 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 251 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 248 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 233 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 236 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 237 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 200 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 240 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 212 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 222 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 223 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 169 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 302 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 164 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 208 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 141 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 223 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 234 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 292 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 164 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 246 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 232 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 225 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 216 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 293 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 245 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 193 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 175 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 19:15
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Re: Turkey Tracks 172 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 211 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 183 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 173 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 148 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 221 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 160 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 253 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
Re: Turkey Tracks 230 Jon Ellison 08-Nov-17 09:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 134 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 02:40
Re: Turkey Tracks 315 Jon Ellison 09-Nov-17 08:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 226 Tsurugi 25-Nov-17 08:10
Re: Turkey Tracks 164 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 147 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
Re: Turkey Tracks 176 Mike D 27-Nov-17 09:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 209 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 147 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 251 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 259 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 161 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 159 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 154 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 177 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 151 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:27
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 139 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 136 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 11:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 28-Nov-17 11:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 140 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 128 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 153 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:22
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 161 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 254 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 111 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 121 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 138 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 291 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 144 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 168 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 175 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 248 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 141 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 179 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 150 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 124 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 145 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 364 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 372 molder 18-Nov-17 22:20
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 185 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 178 Mike D 23-Nov-17 21:46
Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 136 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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