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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Their hypothesis is that the limestone softens
> when it gets wet so that carts using the exact
> same path will eventually cut into the bedrock
> leaving those tracks. And when the track gets too
> deep to continue using, another path is chosen,
> which itself eventually gets worn into a track,
> etc.

Yes that is a popular hypothesis, but it only works if you sort of squint at it while it's at the edge of your peripheral vision and you don't look too long (imo).

As soon as I start thinking about that hypothesis, the first question I have is, if the passage of the carts can dig ruts in limestone up to three feet deep, where are the tracks of the beasts of burden being used to pull the carts? I mentioned this in my initial post, and Jon asked it a few replies back. It is a good question; the answer is that there are no corresponding animal tracks between the ruts. Sometimes there are irregularities between a given set of ruts that might be tracks of some kind, however, these tracks(if that is what these irregularities are) are so heavily degraded that it is impossible to tell what they are. And they only appear in short stretches between a given set of ruts.

Next question, how did large-wheeled fixed-axle carts actually move along these ruts? They are too deep, too narrow. Going into a turn would break the wheels and probably snap the axle. At the very least, the cart would get jammed and be unable to move

Next question, what about the ruts that are 10-12 inches across each rut? They are too uniform to be anything but ruts made by wheels that are in fact close to the width indicated by the ruts. AFAIK wheels stayed rail-thin until the advent of inflated tires. The "limestone softened by rain" hypothesis doesn't really work if wheels have to somehow cut channels much wider than they are, with a relatively stable and uniform cross-section.

Next question, what about the ruts in rock other than limestone?

Next question, what about ruts that go right over cliff edges, or down beneath sea level? Remember that on Malta at least, human occupation is not supposed to begin until the Neolithic period, long after any major sea level rises have taken place. And how long exactly does it take, how many passes would it require, for the wooden wheels of a cart to cut deeply into stone? A hundred thousand passes? A million? It makes me suspicious that this idea is tossed out there as a tentative hypothesis, but no one seems keen to actually test it, you know, by setting up something fairly simple so that wooden cart wheels with heavy loads on them roll back and forth across limestone kept wet with a sprinkler or something to see if we can actually produce a rut this way. Instead, what we see is that the tentative hypothesis, after being unchallenged for a certain amount of time, begins to be referred to as fact.

I live on a limestone plateau. No wooden wheel ever cut into any limestone, if you ask me :)


P. S. I am arguing against the hypothesis, not Origyptian.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1861 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 499 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 379 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 453 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 377 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 302 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 279 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 305 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 291 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 263 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 275 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 272 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 232 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 279 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 247 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 253 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 270 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 216 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 205 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 331 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 192 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 239 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 180 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 263 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 281 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 334 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 194 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 290 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 297 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 232 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 266 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 264 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 341 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
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Re: Turkey Tracks 302 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
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Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
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Re: Turkey Tracks 195 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 320 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 221 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 195 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 190 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 194 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 237 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 204 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 200 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 222 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 184 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 190 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 171 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 294 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 214 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 148 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 167 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 226 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 333 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 216 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 322 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 202 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 196 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 165 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 438 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 225 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 187 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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