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Origyptian Wrote:
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> Their hypothesis is that the limestone softens
> when it gets wet so that carts using the exact
> same path will eventually cut into the bedrock
> leaving those tracks. And when the track gets too
> deep to continue using, another path is chosen,
> which itself eventually gets worn into a track,
> etc.

Yes that is a popular hypothesis, but it only works if you sort of squint at it while it's at the edge of your peripheral vision and you don't look too long (imo).

As soon as I start thinking about that hypothesis, the first question I have is, if the passage of the carts can dig ruts in limestone up to three feet deep, where are the tracks of the beasts of burden being used to pull the carts? I mentioned this in my initial post, and Jon asked it a few replies back. It is a good question; the answer is that there are no corresponding animal tracks between the ruts. Sometimes there are irregularities between a given set of ruts that might be tracks of some kind, however, these tracks(if that is what these irregularities are) are so heavily degraded that it is impossible to tell what they are. And they only appear in short stretches between a given set of ruts.

Next question, how did large-wheeled fixed-axle carts actually move along these ruts? They are too deep, too narrow. Going into a turn would break the wheels and probably snap the axle. At the very least, the cart would get jammed and be unable to move

Next question, what about the ruts that are 10-12 inches across each rut? They are too uniform to be anything but ruts made by wheels that are in fact close to the width indicated by the ruts. AFAIK wheels stayed rail-thin until the advent of inflated tires. The "limestone softened by rain" hypothesis doesn't really work if wheels have to somehow cut channels much wider than they are, with a relatively stable and uniform cross-section.

Next question, what about the ruts in rock other than limestone?

Next question, what about ruts that go right over cliff edges, or down beneath sea level? Remember that on Malta at least, human occupation is not supposed to begin until the Neolithic period, long after any major sea level rises have taken place. And how long exactly does it take, how many passes would it require, for the wooden wheels of a cart to cut deeply into stone? A hundred thousand passes? A million? It makes me suspicious that this idea is tossed out there as a tentative hypothesis, but no one seems keen to actually test it, you know, by setting up something fairly simple so that wooden cart wheels with heavy loads on them roll back and forth across limestone kept wet with a sprinkler or something to see if we can actually produce a rut this way. Instead, what we see is that the tentative hypothesis, after being unchallenged for a certain amount of time, begins to be referred to as fact.

I live on a limestone plateau. No wooden wheel ever cut into any limestone, if you ask me :)


P. S. I am arguing against the hypothesis, not Origyptian.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1819 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 461 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 358 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 433 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 362 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 284 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 263 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 281 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 271 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 250 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 261 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 256 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 217 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 263 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 233 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 241 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 254 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 197 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 189 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 319 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 179 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 224 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 162 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:47
Black Tracks 248 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
Re: Black Tracks 268 randompHactor 19-Oct-17 02:16
Re: Black Tracks 318 Barbelo 21-Oct-17 00:20
Re: Black Tracks 181 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:51
Turkey Tracks 265 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 274 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 23:47
Re: Turkey Tracks 220 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 02:03
Re: Turkey Tracks 254 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 02:07
Re: Turkey Tracks 250 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 03:00
Re: Turkey Tracks 248 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 04:22
Re: Turkey Tracks 310 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 269 Barbelo 18-Oct-17 23:54
Re: Turkey Tracks 2 226 Jon Ellison 19-Oct-17 01:03
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Re: Turkey Tracks 235 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 20:34
Re: Turkey Tracks 207 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 21:21
Re: Turkey Tracks 194 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:44
Re: Turkey Tracks 166 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 22:51
Re: Turkey Tracks 269 Origyptian 07-Nov-17 22:58
Re: Turkey Tracks 178 Jon Ellison 07-Nov-17 23:52
Re: Turkey Tracks 276 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:38
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Re: Turkey Tracks 193 Mike D 26-Nov-17 16:57
Re: Turkey Tracks 162 Jon Ellison 26-Nov-17 18:08
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Re: Turkey Tracks 225 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:16
Re: Turkey Tracks 182 Barbelo 07-Nov-17 21:26
Re: Turkey Tracks 265 Tsurugi 08-Nov-17 08:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 180 Anonymous User 07-Nov-17 22:07
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 300 Mike D 25-Nov-17 13:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 molder 25-Nov-17 20:51
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Mike D 26-Nov-17 12:46
The Diolkos 176 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
Re: The Diolkos 180 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:03
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 211 Mike D 26-Nov-17 13:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 181 Tsurugi 27-Nov-17 09:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 186 Mike D 27-Nov-17 10:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 209 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 11:07
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 159 Jon Ellison 27-Nov-17 18:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 176 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Jon Ellison 28-Nov-17 13:43
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 173 Mike D 28-Nov-17 14:55
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 143 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 16:05
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Re: Clapham Junction Malta 189 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 03:16
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 280 Mike D 29-Nov-17 09:54
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 201 Origyptian 29-Nov-17 15:06
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 134 Mike D 30-Nov-17 11:25
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Jon Ellison 30-Nov-17 12:41
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 155 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 13:56
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 208 Mike D 30-Nov-17 14:11
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 317 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 15:32
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 166 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:49
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Mike D 28-Nov-17 18:28
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 194 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 04:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 199 Mike D 28-Nov-17 10:46
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 170 Origyptian 27-Nov-17 15:48
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 292 Mike D 27-Nov-17 16:40
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 160 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 05:35
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:50
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 154 Origyptian 28-Nov-17 15:34
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 205 Mike D 29-Nov-17 18:23
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 169 Origyptian 30-Nov-17 05:15
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 184 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 05:09
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 146 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:44
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 182 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:18
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 401 Audrey 28-Nov-17 03:14
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 188 Mike D 28-Nov-17 09:39
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 209 Tsurugi 28-Nov-17 18:30
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 187 molder 28-Nov-17 21:35
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Re: Chariot Tracks on The Streets of Pompeii 159 molder 30-Nov-17 05:22
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