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Rstevens, Racho....


I have spent a lot of time on this, haha. So-called "cart-ruts" have been bugging me for years. Below are a few of the things I've noticed....


First off, let's all just look at this for a while. These are on Malta.






They do continue on out into the bay and go for hundreds of meters. Others have been found underwater that seem to lead to the other islands around Malta.


As for these being cut or carved for some sort of quarrying purpose....well, let's have a look(the following images are from Malta except where specified):






Note the confusion of tracks on the right. A bit haphazard to be constructed tracks, I think...







Why the double tracks here? This doubling doesn't last long either, it merges back to single tracks.







What is this?






Again, seems too busy/confused to be constructed.






These go right off a cliff.



Next, are these all really made by "carts", i.e. primitive single-axle single-donkey(or horse, or whatever) wooden carts? If so, where are the donkey/horse tracks between the wheel ruts? Whether made a long time ago by a few passes of carts when these surfaces were not yet stone, or made more recently by millions(??) of passes of carts where the wooden wheels somehow dug into the rock....we should see signs of the tracks of the beasts of burden between the ruts. We don't.

Also, there are plenty that look like these:









....which are rather wide-wheeled to be carts. They look a lot like modern SUV tracks actually, with wide all-terrain tires.



There is argument that the limestone of Malta is especially soft, and rain practically turns it back into mud, so these ruts aren't that big of a deal really because they are easily made by multiple passes of primitive wooden carts. Of course this has never been demonstrated, and again there is the problem of the missing animal tracks....but Malta isn't the only place where cart ruts are found.


Mexico, for example:










....and they are not always in limestone:








So what am I getting at here? I don't know, actually. They don't seem to be carved out of the stone, and they don't seem to be made by primitive carts. But I'm not prepared to say they were made by powered vehicles in a time when the rock was still soft, either.




However, look at this:



This is Pompeii. Usually labeled as a Roman-style flagstone road with cart-ruts in it. But I'm not sure....look at how the road is sunken in a rock-lined channel, and has raised stepping stones for pedestrian crossing.
This is Pompeii, right? Famous for being covered in 50 meters of solidified pyroclastic material from Vesuvius. I'm thinking this road was actually just dirt--in other words, mud. Thus the channel, to confine the mud to the road; and the stepping stones, to keep peds from having to wade through it. The hot pyroclastic material caused the mud to dry, crack, and petrify...and preserved the ruts. Maybe?




...ok, maybe. But what about this:







I just don't know.

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Clapham Junction Malta 1861 Rstevens1701 16-Oct-17 15:26
Re: Clapham Junction Malta 499 Origyptian 16-Oct-17 18:45
this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 379 Racho 16-Oct-17 22:45
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 453 Tsurugi 17-Oct-17 04:55
Not carts. 377 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 07:14
Re: Not carts. 302 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:00
Re: Not carts. 279 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 20:17
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 305 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 07:28
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 291 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 08:29
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 263 Origyptian 17-Oct-17 15:08
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 275 Jon Ellison 17-Oct-17 16:56
ships on land 272 molder 17-Oct-17 22:43
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 232 molder 18-Oct-17 12:22
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 279 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 13:00
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 248 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 17:23
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 253 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 18:26
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 270 Jon Ellison 18-Oct-17 19:01
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 217 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 03:44
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 205 Tsurugi 07-Nov-17 05:36
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 331 molder 08-Nov-17 10:34
Re: ships on land thousands of slaves dug tracks at corinth 192 Tsurugi 09-Nov-17 05:55
Re: this is at odds with Newearth/Russian scientist findings/conclusions 239 Origyptian 18-Oct-17 01:53
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Black Tracks 263 Barbelo 19-Oct-17 01:59
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Turkey Tracks 290 Barbelo 17-Oct-17 22:51
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The Diolkos 190 molder 26-Nov-17 21:36
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