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Thanos5150 Wrote:

> The
> [url=http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/serbiavinca.htm
> ]Vinca[/url] from the larger Danube culture.

Yep, that's them!

They
> are a little later than the southern Ubaid but
> line up nicely with traditional dates for the
> northern Ubaid, but like I said this date is
> getting pushed back more in line with the southern
> Ubaid. At any rate, they seem to have a connection
> with the Vinca though this may be through later
> interaction. Very interesting people though. Top
> of the list. Like I said, despite the dating
> discrepancy I always thought the Ubaid came from
> the north but the earlier dates in the south and
> the whole Persian Gulf thing is a head scratcher
> for me.

They don't know what's under the alluvium in Iraq. There could be older strata underneath it that would indicate an earlier date for the Samarra and/or Hassuna moving into the area who merged with (or became) the Ubaid. They were further north, while the Ubaid appear to have settled in the south, then kept moving even further south. Which brings us right back to Halaf.

The DNA evidence on this one is tough and convoluted. People were moving, no doubt about it. There is no one single thing that says the Ubaid came from somewhere else or where that somewhere was. All that can really be said is that they were a non-Semitic people.


> Personally, I think the idea the Flood myths come
> from a single greater Mesopotamian source dating
> to one of these events c. 6,000BC has strong
> merit.

I think so, too. I'd bet that the Epic of Gilgamesh is not the oldest source for the Epic of Gilgamesh or the flood or creation stories in Genesis.


> Not off the wall at all actually. Bahrain is
> considered the location of Dilmun, but it's
> thought by some this was not the original location
> which is quite interesting.

I didn't know that, actually.

It is worth noting
> that Dilmun is where it is thought
> Ziusudra/Utnapishtim, the Mesopotamian Flood hero,
> went to live [i]after[/i] the Flood. Having live
> many many years after the fact, Gilgamesh had to
> sail across the sea, presumably to Dilmun, to go
> find him.

Now this is interesting. I always thought that was the Black Sea. (Ditto Jason and the Argonauts, but that's another story.) However, the Persian Gulf makes a lot more sense geographically. It's closer, and if they retained a memory of when it was dry land, it would be revered. Kind of like Ireland's Land Beneath the Wave (Tir Fa Tonn, Mag Mell, etc.). No one grew old and died there.

> Bahrain is right in the Persian Gulf so it's
> interesting to think what Bahrain's geography
> would have been at the time of a much smaller
> Gulf. Looking at the animation from the source you
> cite at some point before 6,000BC is was attached
> to the mainland of which a whole chunk along that
> coast is now submerged.

Yup.

In the spring, at the end of the day, you should smell like earth. ~ Margaret Atwood

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