> Excellent! Put me down for a pre-order. :))
Thank you. That's very kind. Starting and finishing are two different things, but I've got the ball rolling at least. If I could just compile a book of GHMB posts I'd be done already.
> It's about time someone looked in an obvious (IMO,
> at any rate) location. However, I always thought
> the Ubaids were a northern people before migrating
> to Mesopotamia, or am I confusing them with
> another tribe? (Starts with V, the name escapes me
> at the moment.)
The Vinca from the larger Danube culture. They are a little later than the southern Ubaid but line up nicely with traditional dates for the northern Ubaid, but like I said this date is getting pushed back more in line with the southern Ubaid. At any rate, they seem to have a connection with the Vinca though this may be through later interaction. Very interesting people though. Top of the list. Like I said, despite the dating discrepancy I always thought the Ubaid came from the north but the earlier dates in the south and the whole Persian Gulf thing is a head scratcher for me.
> Anyway, the Persian Gulf was
> mostly dry until around 6,000 years ago, which
> would be as late as 4000 BC.
> That's well within
> the range of the supposed beginnings of
> civilization, contemporaneous with the building
> frenzy in Ireland and the British Isles. Here's a
> page from the University of California at Santa
> Download the animation. I couldn't watch it
> because, well, work computer but there's a
> PowerPoint you might be interested in.
Sweet. Thanks. I am collecting sources right now so this is great. I can't get it to work either, but I'll figure it out.
> That event is recorded somewhere. It has to be.
Personally, I think the idea the Flood myths come from a single greater Mesopotamian source dating to one of these events c. 6,000BC has strong merit.
> Now, here's an off the wall speculation. Could the
> Persian Gulf be the homeland of the Dilmun, who
> controlled the entire region?
Not off the wall at all actually. Bahrain is considered the location of Dilmun, but it's thought by some this was not the original location which is quite interesting. It is worth noting that Dilmun is where it is thought Ziusudra/Utnapishtim, the Mesopotamian Flood hero, went to live after the Flood. Having live many many years after the fact, Gilgamesh had to sail across the sea, presumably to Dilmun, to go find him.
Bahrain is right in the Persian Gulf so it's interesting to think what Bahrain's geography would have been at the time of a much smaller Gulf. Looking at the animation from the source you cite at some point before 6,000BC is was attached to the mainland of which a whole chunk along that coast is now submerged.
> I always thought it was north, but I'm willing to
> be proven wrong.
I'm in the same boat. Just need to do the research before I go all in one way or the other.
> The Bulgarians and the Romanians
> protest loudly that civilization, and the
> Mesopotamians, came from their region; ie, the
> Black Sea region. Maybe they are right and the
> Ubaids were part of that.
Very possible and what I want to go with, but I can't ignore the southern Ubaid. Need to spend the time to see that through and try and make sense of it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05-Oct-17 02:59 by Thanos5150.