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Jon Ellison Wrote:

> No one is mocking anyone.

My apologies, Jon, for misunderstanding your comment.

> I'm questioning your assertion of "cold hard
> facts" which aren't "cold hard facts" at all.

It is a "cold hard fact" that there is a gap between the sides of the KC floor and the walls of the Chamber.
It is a "cold hard fact" that the limestone core blocks underneath the granite flooring have gaps between them.
Therefore, it is a "cold hard fact" that any water poured into the floor and wall gap will simply flow/trickle down into the Pyramid's core.
Origyptian has introduced the idea of a second floor in the KC - one fitted tight to the base of the Chamber's walls and thus making the Chamber watertight up to some level.


> They're part of your hypothesis and beliefs, which
> you are quite entitled to. Which until proven are
> no more valid or less valid than any others and
> therefore should not be presented as "cold hard
> facts" in any discussion.

Except when one encounters "cold hard facts" such as those mentioned above.

> I also think it possible that the walls might have
> been adorned with reed mats and pictures, anything
> is possible.
> At this time we simply do not know, one way or the
> other.
>
> I personally have seen photographic evidence
> presented by Romulus that for me supports the
> notion of water ingress through the KC air shaft
> openings.
> If water ingress is the cause of the staining, the
> discussion at the moment seems to be about the
> source of any water ingress.
> At present I prefer the external weather
> conditions or internal condensation build up.
> I may be wrong.

Perhaps somebody poured water into the section of the north shaft between Caviglia's Tunnel and the KC's north wall to loosen debris in it, and then used rods to push the wet debris out into the KC (think drain clearing) - which left traces of the whitish debris down the wall below the north shaft opening.

Robin (MJT)

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Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 1956 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 14:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 393 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 15:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 377 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:14
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 365 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 303 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 261 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 242 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 266 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 258 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 290 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 17:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 229 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 318 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 18:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 282 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 280 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 23:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 271 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 08:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 222 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 10:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 199 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:38
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 271 Howard West 13-Aug-17 23:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 266 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 00:40
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 239 Howard West 14-Aug-17 14:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 182 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 10:35
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 193 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:41
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 169 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Where the salt water came from 200 Howard West 15-Aug-17 14:44
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 165 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 254 Thunderbird 14-Aug-17 00:48
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 204 gulsbo 15-Aug-17 16:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 232 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 165 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 217 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 09:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 214 Merrell 14-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 12:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 174 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 16:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 193 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 164 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 19:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 169 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 165 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 22:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 174 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 183 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 164 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 00:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 196 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 00:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 215 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 07:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 159 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 172 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 150 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 191 cladking 15-Aug-17 00:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 204 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 12:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 172 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 208 Thunderbird 15-Aug-17 01:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 176 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 15:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 232 cladking 14-Aug-17 17:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 177 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 19:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 178 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 251 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 16:37
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 246 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 224 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 20:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 96 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 242 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 21:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 185 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 171 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 187 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 12:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 230 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 14:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 172 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 15:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 200 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 156 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 21:11
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 157 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 22:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 163 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 23:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 179 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 15:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 188 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 16:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 214 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 16:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 177 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 19:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 169 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 20:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 173 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 166 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 166 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 20:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 165 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 164 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 157 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 176 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 151 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 23:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 182 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 184 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:49
Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 194 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Aug-17 23:45
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 184 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:47
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 182 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 01:05
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 192 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 03:38
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 137 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 14:03
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 188 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:17
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 210 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:44
mise–en–scène 275 Dr. Troglodyte 16-Aug-17 23:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 227 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 191 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 192 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 198 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 197 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 20:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 180 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 21:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 165 Apap 15-Aug-17 23:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 173 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 142 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 169 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 187 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 162 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 03:47
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 211 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 04:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 154 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 12:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 202 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 14:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 184 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 13:01
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 253 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 21:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 198 eyeofhorus33 17-Aug-17 17:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 216 cladking 17-Aug-17 18:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 244 eyeofhorus33 17-Aug-17 19:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 193 cladking 17-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 197 Romulus the 2nd 17-Aug-17 23:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 156 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 179 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 16:56
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 175 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 157 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 159 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 159 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 148 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 22:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 172 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:35
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 159 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 188 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 23:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 173 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 151 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 156 Apap 19-Aug-17 00:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 187 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 89 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 10:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 92 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:21
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 113 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 116 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 21:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 133 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 12:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 80 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 21:15
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 92 Origyptian 23-Aug-17 04:01
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 143 Audrey 23-Aug-17 02:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 120 Origyptian 23-Aug-17 04:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 230 Jon Ellison 23-Aug-17 08:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 160 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 171 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 262 Apap 17-Aug-17 18:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 222 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 00:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 209 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 10:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 174 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 17:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 162 M. J. Thomas 18-Aug-17 18:22
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 189 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 209 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 179 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 157 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:50
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 Apap 18-Aug-17 18:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 164 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:20
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 162 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 164 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:28
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 143 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:15
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 177 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 20:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 189 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 158 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 102 Romulus the 2nd 20-Aug-17 21:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 188 DUNE 19-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 193 M. J. Thomas 19-Aug-17 20:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 182 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 22:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 177 DUNE 19-Aug-17 22:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 138 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 23:17
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 181 Origyptian 21-Aug-17 03:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 166 Jon Ellison 21-Aug-17 09:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 135 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 05:21
Re: KC Watertight flooring 146 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:46
Re: KC Watertight flooring 93 Origyptian 20-Aug-17 04:00
Re: KC Watertight flooring 118 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:34
Re: KC Watertight flooring 208 Jon Ellison 20-Aug-17 07:41
Re: KC Watertight flooring 119 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 174 Apap 18-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 173 Dr. Troglodyte 18-Aug-17 22:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 204 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 228 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 137 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 142 Origyptian 20-Aug-17 04:15


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