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Jon Ellison Wrote:

> No one is mocking anyone.

My apologies, Jon, for misunderstanding your comment.

> I'm questioning your assertion of "cold hard
> facts" which aren't "cold hard facts" at all.

It is a "cold hard fact" that there is a gap between the sides of the KC floor and the walls of the Chamber.
It is a "cold hard fact" that the limestone core blocks underneath the granite flooring have gaps between them.
Therefore, it is a "cold hard fact" that any water poured into the floor and wall gap will simply flow/trickle down into the Pyramid's core.
Origyptian has introduced the idea of a second floor in the KC - one fitted tight to the base of the Chamber's walls and thus making the Chamber watertight up to some level.


> They're part of your hypothesis and beliefs, which
> you are quite entitled to. Which until proven are
> no more valid or less valid than any others and
> therefore should not be presented as "cold hard
> facts" in any discussion.

Except when one encounters "cold hard facts" such as those mentioned above.

> I also think it possible that the walls might have
> been adorned with reed mats and pictures, anything
> is possible.
> At this time we simply do not know, one way or the
> other.
>
> I personally have seen photographic evidence
> presented by Romulus that for me supports the
> notion of water ingress through the KC air shaft
> openings.
> If water ingress is the cause of the staining, the
> discussion at the moment seems to be about the
> source of any water ingress.
> At present I prefer the external weather
> conditions or internal condensation build up.
> I may be wrong.

Perhaps somebody poured water into the section of the north shaft between Caviglia's Tunnel and the KC's north wall to loosen debris in it, and then used rods to push the wet debris out into the KC (think drain clearing) - which left traces of the whitish debris down the wall below the north shaft opening.

Robin (MJT)

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Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 1404 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 14:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 222 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 15:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 207 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:14
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 190 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 158 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 146 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 124 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 129 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 122 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 135 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 17:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 96 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 154 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 18:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 135 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 114 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 23:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 114 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 08:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 111 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 10:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 64 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:38
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 117 Howard West 13-Aug-17 23:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 122 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 00:40
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 91 Howard West 14-Aug-17 14:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 68 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 10:35
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 62 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:41
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 61 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Where the salt water came from 75 Howard West 15-Aug-17 14:44
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 49 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 109 Thunderbird 14-Aug-17 00:48
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 57 gulsbo 15-Aug-17 16:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 68 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 91 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 09:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 73 Merrell 14-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 82 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 12:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 61 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 16:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 63 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 53 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 19:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 60 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 22:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 54 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 57 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 00:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 69 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 00:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 66 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 07:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 64 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 49 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 38 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 54 cladking 15-Aug-17 00:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 81 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 12:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 66 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 81 Thunderbird 15-Aug-17 01:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 67 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 15:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 cladking 14-Aug-17 17:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 47 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 19:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 44 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 71 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 16:37
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 68 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 53 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 20:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 51 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 70 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 21:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 66 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 49 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 48 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 54 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 12:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 58 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 14:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 45 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 15:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 46 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 42 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 21:11
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 44 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 22:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 37 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 23:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 48 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 15:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 16:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 60 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 16:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 50 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 19:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 48 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 20:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 44 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 42 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 44 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 20:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 38 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 48 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 42 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 35 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 45 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 23:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 49 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 43 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:49
Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 53 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Aug-17 23:45
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 54 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:47
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 49 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 01:05
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 41 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 03:38
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 44 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 14:03
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 44 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:17
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 51 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:44
mise–en–scène 77 Dr. Troglodyte 16-Aug-17 23:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 49 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 49 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 20:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 47 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 21:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 54 Apap 15-Aug-17 23:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 46 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 53 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 51 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 62 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 03:47
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 67 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 04:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 45 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 12:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 71 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 14:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 56 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 13:01
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 78 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 21:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 eyeofhorus33 17-Aug-17 17:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 50 cladking 17-Aug-17 18:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 64 eyeofhorus33 17-Aug-17 19:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 54 cladking 17-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 Romulus the 2nd 17-Aug-17 23:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 32 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 41 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 16:56
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 35 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 39 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 45 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 40 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 37 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 22:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 44 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:35
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 42 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 35 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 23:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 41 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 43 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 36 Apap 19-Aug-17 00:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 66 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 33 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 10:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 32 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:21
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 31 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 33 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 21:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 50 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 12:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 32 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 21:15
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 28 Origyptian 23-Aug-17 04:01
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 47 Audrey 23-Aug-17 02:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 33 Origyptian 23-Aug-17 04:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 79 Jon Ellison 23-Aug-17 08:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 43 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 41 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 63 Apap 17-Aug-17 18:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 76 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 00:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 74 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 10:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 47 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 17:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 46 M. J. Thomas 18-Aug-17 18:22
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 52 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 38 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 36 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 44 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:50
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 51 Apap 18-Aug-17 18:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 50 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:20
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 45 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 35 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:28
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 36 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:15
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 45 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 20:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 43 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 42 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 37 Romulus the 2nd 20-Aug-17 21:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 DUNE 19-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 55 M. J. Thomas 19-Aug-17 20:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 57 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 22:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 50 DUNE 19-Aug-17 22:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 50 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 23:17
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 65 Origyptian 21-Aug-17 03:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 95 Jon Ellison 21-Aug-17 09:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 46 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 05:21
Re: KC Watertight flooring 49 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:46
Re: KC Watertight flooring 47 Origyptian 20-Aug-17 04:00
Re: KC Watertight flooring 36 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:34
Re: KC Watertight flooring 72 Jon Ellison 20-Aug-17 07:41
Re: KC Watertight flooring 30 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 51 Apap 18-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 58 Dr. Troglodyte 18-Aug-17 22:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 93 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 64 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 63 Origyptian 20-Aug-17 04:15


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