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Jon Ellison Wrote:

> No one is mocking anyone.

My apologies, Jon, for misunderstanding your comment.

> I'm questioning your assertion of "cold hard
> facts" which aren't "cold hard facts" at all.

It is a "cold hard fact" that there is a gap between the sides of the KC floor and the walls of the Chamber.
It is a "cold hard fact" that the limestone core blocks underneath the granite flooring have gaps between them.
Therefore, it is a "cold hard fact" that any water poured into the floor and wall gap will simply flow/trickle down into the Pyramid's core.
Origyptian has introduced the idea of a second floor in the KC - one fitted tight to the base of the Chamber's walls and thus making the Chamber watertight up to some level.


> They're part of your hypothesis and beliefs, which
> you are quite entitled to. Which until proven are
> no more valid or less valid than any others and
> therefore should not be presented as "cold hard
> facts" in any discussion.

Except when one encounters "cold hard facts" such as those mentioned above.

> I also think it possible that the walls might have
> been adorned with reed mats and pictures, anything
> is possible.
> At this time we simply do not know, one way or the
> other.
>
> I personally have seen photographic evidence
> presented by Romulus that for me supports the
> notion of water ingress through the KC air shaft
> openings.
> If water ingress is the cause of the staining, the
> discussion at the moment seems to be about the
> source of any water ingress.
> At present I prefer the external weather
> conditions or internal condensation build up.
> I may be wrong.

Perhaps somebody poured water into the section of the north shaft between Caviglia's Tunnel and the KC's north wall to loosen debris in it, and then used rods to push the wet debris out into the KC (think drain clearing) - which left traces of the whitish debris down the wall below the north shaft opening.

Robin (MJT)

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Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 1640 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 14:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 284 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 15:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 284 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:14
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 252 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 223 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 199 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 170 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 188 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 173 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 194 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 17:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 155 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 230 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 18:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 190 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 186 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 23:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 166 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 08:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 155 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 10:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 115 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:38
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 176 Howard West 13-Aug-17 23:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 174 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 00:40
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 140 Howard West 14-Aug-17 14:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 119 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 10:35
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 115 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:41
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 105 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Where the salt water came from 130 Howard West 15-Aug-17 14:44
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 97 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 163 Thunderbird 14-Aug-17 00:48
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 101 gulsbo 15-Aug-17 16:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 131 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 108 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 143 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 09:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 126 Merrell 14-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 134 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 12:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 107 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 16:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 114 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 105 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 19:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 115 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 102 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 22:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 107 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 107 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 107 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 00:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 132 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 00:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 125 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 07:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 110 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 100 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 88 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 121 cladking 15-Aug-17 00:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 130 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 12:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 115 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 141 Thunderbird 15-Aug-17 01:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 118 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 15:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 150 cladking 14-Aug-17 17:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 98 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 19:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 95 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 137 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 16:37
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 131 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 115 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 20:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 73 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 130 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 21:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 125 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 102 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 105 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 110 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 12:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 122 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 14:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 105 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 15:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 109 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 94 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 21:11
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 101 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 22:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 84 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 23:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 107 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 15:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 101 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 16:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 113 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 16:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 94 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 19:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 100 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 20:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 96 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 90 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 96 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 20:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 93 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 102 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 94 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 92 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 98 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 23:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 104 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 105 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:49
Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 112 Dr. Troglodyte 15-Aug-17 23:45
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Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 99 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:17
Re: Great Step ‘V-Shape’ Depression 107 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:44
mise–en–scène 165 Dr. Troglodyte 16-Aug-17 23:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 129 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 117 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 110 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 108 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 101 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 20:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 100 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 21:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 98 Apap 15-Aug-17 23:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 92 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 102 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 103 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 112 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 110 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 03:47
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 126 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 04:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 97 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 12:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 129 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 14:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 108 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 13:01
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 141 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 21:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 121 eyeofhorus33 17-Aug-17 17:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 128 cladking 17-Aug-17 18:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 160 eyeofhorus33 17-Aug-17 19:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 114 cladking 17-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 109 Romulus the 2nd 17-Aug-17 23:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 84 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 88 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 16:56
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 83 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 81 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 95 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 87 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 84 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 22:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 94 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:35
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 84 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 91 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 23:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 91 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 91 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 89 Apap 19-Aug-17 00:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 108 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 56 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 10:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 58 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:21
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 56 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 21:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 76 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 12:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 54 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 21:15
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 51 Origyptian 23-Aug-17 04:01
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 78 Audrey 23-Aug-17 02:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 59 Origyptian 23-Aug-17 04:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 163 Jon Ellison 23-Aug-17 08:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 95 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 90 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 134 Apap 17-Aug-17 18:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 128 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 00:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 138 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 10:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 97 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 17:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 97 M. J. Thomas 18-Aug-17 18:22
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 98 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 101 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 88 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 85 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:50
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 106 Apap 18-Aug-17 18:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 92 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:20
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 90 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 78 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:28
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 90 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:15
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 92 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 20:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 97 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 91 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 58 Romulus the 2nd 20-Aug-17 21:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 107 DUNE 19-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 129 M. J. Thomas 19-Aug-17 20:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 105 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 22:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 99 DUNE 19-Aug-17 22:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 82 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 23:17
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 117 Origyptian 21-Aug-17 03:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 132 Jon Ellison 21-Aug-17 09:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 76 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 05:21
Re: KC Watertight flooring 79 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:46
Re: KC Watertight flooring 68 Origyptian 20-Aug-17 04:00
Re: KC Watertight flooring 61 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:34
Re: KC Watertight flooring 118 Jon Ellison 20-Aug-17 07:41
Re: KC Watertight flooring 56 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 102 Apap 18-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 101 Dr. Troglodyte 18-Aug-17 22:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 106 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 147 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 90 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 94 Origyptian 20-Aug-17 04:15


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