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Jon Ellison Wrote:

> No one is mocking anyone.

My apologies, Jon, for misunderstanding your comment.

> I'm questioning your assertion of "cold hard
> facts" which aren't "cold hard facts" at all.

It is a "cold hard fact" that there is a gap between the sides of the KC floor and the walls of the Chamber.
It is a "cold hard fact" that the limestone core blocks underneath the granite flooring have gaps between them.
Therefore, it is a "cold hard fact" that any water poured into the floor and wall gap will simply flow/trickle down into the Pyramid's core.
Origyptian has introduced the idea of a second floor in the KC - one fitted tight to the base of the Chamber's walls and thus making the Chamber watertight up to some level.


> They're part of your hypothesis and beliefs, which
> you are quite entitled to. Which until proven are
> no more valid or less valid than any others and
> therefore should not be presented as "cold hard
> facts" in any discussion.

Except when one encounters "cold hard facts" such as those mentioned above.

> I also think it possible that the walls might have
> been adorned with reed mats and pictures, anything
> is possible.
> At this time we simply do not know, one way or the
> other.
>
> I personally have seen photographic evidence
> presented by Romulus that for me supports the
> notion of water ingress through the KC air shaft
> openings.
> If water ingress is the cause of the staining, the
> discussion at the moment seems to be about the
> source of any water ingress.
> At present I prefer the external weather
> conditions or internal condensation build up.
> I may be wrong.

Perhaps somebody poured water into the section of the north shaft between Caviglia's Tunnel and the KC's north wall to loosen debris in it, and then used rods to push the wet debris out into the KC (think drain clearing) - which left traces of the whitish debris down the wall below the north shaft opening.

Robin (MJT)

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Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 392 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 328 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 282 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 266 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 295 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 16:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 283 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 16:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 316 Jon Ellison 13-Aug-17 17:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 243 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 348 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 18:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 317 Romulus the 2nd 13-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 317 Thanos5150 13-Aug-17 23:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 303 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 08:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 250 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 10:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 225 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:38
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 298 Howard West 13-Aug-17 23:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 299 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 00:40
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 264 Howard West 14-Aug-17 14:59
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 210 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 10:35
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 216 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:41
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 190 D-Archer 15-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Where the salt water came from 225 Howard West 15-Aug-17 14:44
Re: Water marks on Queen's Chamber 189 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 274 Thunderbird 14-Aug-17 00:48
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 230 gulsbo 15-Aug-17 16:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 262 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 185 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 22:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 238 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 09:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 240 Merrell 14-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 231 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 12:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 198 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 16:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 217 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 187 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 19:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 191 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 186 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 22:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 199 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 205 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 180 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 00:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 218 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 00:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 240 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 07:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 184 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 197 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 170 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 23:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 214 cladking 15-Aug-17 00:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 229 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 12:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 187 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 14:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 225 Thunderbird 15-Aug-17 01:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 199 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 15:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 262 cladking 14-Aug-17 17:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 19:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 205 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:40
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 335 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 16:37
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 273 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 17:52
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 252 M. J. Thomas 14-Aug-17 20:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 105 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 276 Thanos5150 14-Aug-17 21:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 226 Romulus the 2nd 14-Aug-17 22:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 211 Jon Ellison 14-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 198 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 216 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 12:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 259 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 14:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 196 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 15:55
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 231 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 16:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 179 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 21:11
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 181 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 22:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 188 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 23:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 200 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 15:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 212 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 16:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 249 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 16:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 202 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 19:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 189 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 20:09
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 202 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 188 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 22:14
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 187 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 20:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 194 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:24
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 186 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 21:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 184 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 22:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:38
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 170 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 23:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 208 M. J. Thomas 15-Aug-17 23:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 215 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:49
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Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 267 Origyptian 14-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 218 Romulus the 2nd 15-Aug-17 11:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 218 Jon Ellison 15-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 225 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 13:46
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 225 Thanos5150 15-Aug-17 20:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 207 Origyptian 15-Aug-17 21:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 191 Apap 15-Aug-17 23:33
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 201 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 00:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 153 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:13
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 194 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:25
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 221 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 01:31
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 185 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 03:47
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 243 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 04:41
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 174 Origyptian 16-Aug-17 12:29
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 229 Thanos5150 16-Aug-17 14:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 202 Jon Ellison 16-Aug-17 13:01
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 286 Romulus the 2nd 16-Aug-17 21:03
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Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 220 cladking 17-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 221 Romulus the 2nd 17-Aug-17 23:18
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 183 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:42
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 205 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 16:56
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 198 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 178 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 186 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:44
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 184 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 21:07
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 170 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 22:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:35
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 178 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 225 Thanos5150 18-Aug-17 23:30
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 200 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:32
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 172 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 23:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 181 Apap 19-Aug-17 00:03
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 213 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:08
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 108 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 10:00
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 112 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:21
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 132 Jon Ellison 22-Aug-17 11:39
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 135 Romulus the 2nd 22-Aug-17 21:06
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 150 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 12:02
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Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 254 Jon Ellison 23-Aug-17 08:57
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 181 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 00:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 195 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:34
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 295 Apap 17-Aug-17 18:45
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 252 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 00:36
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 233 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 10:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 17:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 178 M. J. Thomas 18-Aug-17 18:22
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 210 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:12
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 238 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:23
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 200 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 19:49
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 178 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 16:50
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 228 Apap 18-Aug-17 18:05
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 187 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:20
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 183 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 19:58
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 189 Jon Ellison 18-Aug-17 20:28
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 161 Origyptian 18-Aug-17 20:15
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 203 Romulus the 2nd 18-Aug-17 20:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 216 Apap 18-Aug-17 22:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 184 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:10
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 125 Romulus the 2nd 20-Aug-17 21:59
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 210 DUNE 19-Aug-17 12:16
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 210 M. J. Thomas 19-Aug-17 20:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 208 Jon Ellison 19-Aug-17 22:04
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 199 DUNE 19-Aug-17 22:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 162 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 23:17
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 206 Origyptian 21-Aug-17 03:02
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 183 Jon Ellison 21-Aug-17 09:27
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 156 Origyptian 22-Aug-17 05:21
Re: KC Watertight flooring 170 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:46
Re: KC Watertight flooring 117 Origyptian 20-Aug-17 04:00
Re: KC Watertight flooring 134 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:34
Re: KC Watertight flooring 236 Jon Ellison 20-Aug-17 07:41
Re: KC Watertight flooring 135 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 17:26
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 196 Apap 18-Aug-17 21:43
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 196 Dr. Troglodyte 18-Aug-17 22:54
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 231 Apap 18-Aug-17 23:51
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 254 Origyptian 19-Aug-17 15:53
Re: Water marks on King's Chamber shaft opening 160 M. J. Thomas 20-Aug-17 00:55
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