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> The pyramids are as bare as Old Kingdom burial
> chambers in tombs of the period.
> In tombs the
> "decoration" appears in the offering chapels and
> other rooms leading to the burial chamber but the
> burial chambers were blank.

Yes, the room which was to contain the sarcophagus, otherwise as could be afforded all the other areas would be "decorated". The tomb of Meresankh III, Queen under Khafre, would be an excellent example: HERE.

BP:

RP:

G1:

G2:


G3:


With the exception of G3's "palace facade chamber", which I have noted of interest many times, despite having various chambers and passages outside of the burial chamber there is still no decoration. Completely anonymous. I will address your comments below regarding temple decoration, but all told there is no reason to find absolutely no official presence of any kind in these pyramids.

While the burial chamber itself is bare (strangely thought to be a later addition), the entrance to Khufukhaf's (Khufu's son) burial chamber, for example, is decorated:


Yet such things are missing from the pyramids.

Further compounding the problem is the that while the burial chamber may have been bare the sarcophagus commonly was not.
Meresankh III:

Which is in keeping with tradition going back well into the 2nd Dynasty:

By comparison, her husband, the pharaoh Khafre's blank sarcophagus:


With the exception of Menkaure, the sarcophagi found in the pyramids of the OK are bare while as a rule all others of the period are often not, namely displaying the palace facade "great house". 4th Dynasty examples. Let alone there isn't even any evidence Meidum, the BP or RP ever even had sarcophagi.

> For the pyramids the
> scenes are in the Valley Temple, the mortuary
> temple and the walls of the covered causeway
> leading to the pyramid.

I'm not sure who popularized this idea, Lehner I assume, but up until the 1950's and the discovery of the BP valley temple Egyptologists believed the 4th Dynasty did not decorate its temples. The BP VT is exactly as expected covered with estate and Sed Festival scenes. Some of the Khufu relief fragments found at Lisht are assumed to have come from his valley temple which if so are also what would be expected. And beginning in the 5th Dynasty we see the same, with Sahure's temple scenes for example so prolific as to be a wonder of the ancient world. The problem though, discussed before, is that no temple of G2 or G3 has any royal "decoration". For example:


Nothing has been "stolen" or "removed" here-the reliefs never existed. It has been brought up before that some inscriptions have been found, but it goes without saying that these are not the royal funerary reliefs expected as evidenced by what is found directly before and after. If the rule of the pyramids to explain why their interiors are anonymous is that the temples were dedicated in relief instead, then the temples of G2 and G3 are testimony this did not apply to them. Also as noted many times before, the enormity of the blocks used for the temples of G2 and G3 are in stark contrast to anything that came directly before or after.

> They were all part of the
> same complex. By the 5th Dynasty the PT
> inscriptions were included in the burial chambers,

Which the PT says such personalization of the burial chamber in particular was required. Interesting that the PT is supposedly older than the 5th Dynasty.

All of this has been discussed many times before. I am just repeating myself with brevity. The point of the OP is that assuming the pyramids were not meant to inter a body, then where were the pharaohs buried.



Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 20-Feb-18 17:44 by Thanos5150.

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If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 6491 Thanos5150 24-Jul-17 01:04
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 863 Eddie Larry 24-Jul-17 02:55
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 1114 Thanos5150 24-Jul-17 14:50
The Deir el-Bahri cache (DB320) 768 Eddie Larry 24-Jul-17 23:29
Re: The Deir el-Bahri cache (DB320) 570 Thanos5150 25-Jul-17 00:20
Re: The Deir el-Bahri cache (DB320) 511 Eddie Larry 25-Jul-17 01:03
Re: The Deir el-Bahri cache (DB320) 505 Thanos5150 25-Jul-17 01:30
Re: The Deir el-Bahri cache (DB320) 638 Eddie Larry 25-Jul-17 04:22
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 681 Hanslune 24-Jul-17 04:54
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 695 Thanos5150 24-Jul-17 05:32
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 564 MDaines 24-Jul-17 11:04
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 621 Thunderbird 24-Jul-17 15:14
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 503 Thanos5150 24-Jul-17 20:37
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 446 M. J. Thomas 24-Jul-17 21:48
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 571 Thunderbird 25-Jul-17 03:35
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 584 Martin Stower 24-Jul-17 20:39
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 673 Thanos5150 24-Jul-17 23:32
Gods do not need tombs 556 Juha 24-Jul-17 20:05
Re: Gods do not need tombs 526 Eddie Larry 24-Jul-17 21:45
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 458 Thanos5150 15-Feb-18 20:35
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 382 Martin Stower 16-Feb-18 12:01
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 334 Thanos5150 16-Feb-18 16:38
a brief summary 319 Warwick 16-Feb-18 22:20
Re: a brief summary 314 cladking 16-Feb-18 22:43
Re: a brief summary 342 Thanos5150 16-Feb-18 22:57
Re: a brief summary 350 Origyptian 17-Feb-18 05:24
Re: a brief summary 331 Thanos5150 17-Feb-18 17:12
Re: a brief summary 266 cladking 17-Feb-18 17:42
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Re: a brief summary 267 Thanos5150 17-Feb-18 18:34
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Re: a brief summary 283 Origyptian 18-Feb-18 16:32
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Re: a brief summary 316 Warwick 18-Feb-18 18:31
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Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 324 PB Bytes 17-Feb-18 07:05
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 291 Origyptian 17-Feb-18 15:19
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 296 Thanos5150 17-Feb-18 17:02
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 304 Mike D 17-Feb-18 12:22
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 334 Morten 17-Feb-18 18:09
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 265 Thanos5150 17-Feb-18 18:41
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 274 sfbey 17-Feb-18 19:19
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 273 PB Bytes 17-Feb-18 20:24
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 279 Morten 17-Feb-18 20:30
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 267 sfbey 17-Feb-18 20:31
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 255 Morten 17-Feb-18 20:36
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 268 sfbey 17-Feb-18 20:30
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 295 Morten 17-Feb-18 20:34
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 272 sfbey 17-Feb-18 20:39
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 275 Morten 17-Feb-18 20:43
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 274 Thanos5150 18-Feb-18 17:22
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 273 sfbey 18-Feb-18 17:41
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 269 PB Bytes 17-Feb-18 20:38
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 302 sfbey 17-Feb-18 20:43
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 278 Thanos5150 18-Feb-18 17:18
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 326 charly 18-Feb-18 10:09
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 275 Origyptian 18-Feb-18 14:00
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 255 cladking 18-Feb-18 14:03
Re: If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? 609 Thanos5150 19-Feb-18 17:08
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