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Busy the next few days but wanted to take a moment to respond to these particular comments:

R Avry Wilson Wrote:
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> I mention this
> because ground zero for the spark of empire comes
> from here. See entry and biblio:
Nekhen, etc, and locations further south, like Esna,
> Edfu, and Aswan (and beyond.

Speaking of Nekhen, from a post to Dr T just a few days ago:
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What this find "dovetails" to are numerous other previously discovered rock art in the eastern desert (Wadi Hammamat area) of the same date if not a little older leading from the Red Sea to Abydos which depict numerous boats, some of which have long been argued by various Egyptologists to depict Mesopotamian ships. This, in turn, dovetails to similar boats, namely the "black boat", found at Hierakonpolis in the tomb of Nekhen (Tomb 100), the earliest tomb art in Egypt, again dated to this same period if not earlier:

Not only does this ship appear to be Mesopotamian, again argued by various Egyptologists, but also several motifs, like the clearly Mesopotamian man grappling two lions- the "master of two beasts".

According to Wilkinson regarding the Tomb 100 paintings:
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...their importance [drawings on the painting] lies not only in the royal nature of much of the iconography but also in the Mesopotamian influence apparent in some of the motifs. The Predynastic rulers of Upper Egypt, when formulating a distinctive iconography of rule, seem to have borrowed various elements from Mesopotamian culture.
(Early Dynastic Egypt p32/33)

HERE:
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Some scholars believe that Nekhen had contact with the city of Uruk in Mesopotamia. The wall enclosing the temple off from the rest of the city is but more similar to the style in Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia and the Gulf were the only two other places at this time or since that had this Temple Oval, which in both the Near East and in Nekhen was a semi-circular walled structure which contained virgin sand on which the earliest shrines were raised.

Also, elements similar in Mesopotamian reliefs and paintings are first seen here at Nekhen. Examples of these are "the master of beasts", and the niched facades on the walls. An elaborately niched mud-brick faade [sic-"facade"] within the town has been interpreted as the gateway to a palace, or at least an administrative center of the early state. The gateway wall was no less than 34 feet thick in places and consisted of a double skin of mud brick. Both as a defensive structure and a piece of urban development, the gateway shows the same niches and recessed and buttressed paneled walls that were used on the serekhs.

A snippet from Romer regarding the Naqada seals found during this period:
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The impact of the Uruk [Mesopotamian] designs on the crafts of the Naqadans is plain enough to see because Naqadan seals are composed and drawn in ways that are completely different to those of the traditional crafts of the lower Nile and their imagery, too, is entirely alien.

"Ground zero" for the empire indeed.

> The developmental
> aspects are drawn from the outlying (local) region
> of these locations, and are not reminiscent nor
> representative of Meso influence.

Apparently not.

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