> Hello MJT.
> M. J. Thomas Wrote:
> > Hello Thanos5150,
> > You hold that the 3rd Dynasty pyramid complex
> > Saqqara is the earliest known use of the royal
> > cubit.
> Unless you have evidence that suggests otherwise,
> this is not what "I" hold, but the field at large.
> I have yet to see a reason to think otherwise, but
> it would be quite interesting if there were.
> > I assume you are referring to Djoser - dated
> > to 2611, according to Lehner (‘The Complete
> > Pyramids’ 1997).
> Is there an indication a 3rd Dynasty pharaoh
> other than "Djoser" built the Saqqara
> pyramid complex?
> > The 4th Dynasty Great Pyramid dates to 2551 B.
> > – again according to Lehner.
> I'm not sure why you keep emphasizing the point
> "according to Lehner". Lehner, if I'm not
> mistaken, uses Cambridge for his dates which are
> the most commonly accepted.
> > So, it could be argued that the royal cubit was
> > invented at the least 79 years (2630 minus
> > before the designing of the Great Pyramid –
> > if his singularly impressive C.V. is anything
> > go by, Imhotep might well have been the person
> > invented both the royal cubit and the seked.
> Accepting conventional dating for the point of
> discussion, it is not something one could "argue",
> but is the state of accepted facts as they are
> known today which should be understood given the
> uncertainties of the length of reigns, or even
> which King's list one refers to, could be +/-
> years either which way. I'm not sure what your
> point is breaking it down to specific years when
> all that is required is noting "3rd Dynasty
> Djoser" vs "4th Dynasty Khufu".
> What one would "argue", however, is that it could
> have happened earlier which I did read a thesis
> that suggests, based on statistical probability of
> measured artifacts, the Royal cubit's first use
> "may" have occurred at the end of the 2nd
> Dynasty/beginning of the 3rd. Regardless, you can
> pick whatever source you want for dates, but as is
> widely accepted the Royal cubit was first used,
> yes, by Djoser.
> > Now, I wrote, ‘ p.s. For what it is worth, I
> > think it was, at the earliest, the 3rd Dynasty
> > Egyptians.’
> > You replied, ‘Quite a leap considering the
> > Dynasty pyramid complex of Saqqara is already
> > considered the earliest known use of the Royal
> > cubit.’
> > Would you please explain what you mean by
> > a leap’ - as it stands it makes no sense to
> First you said:
> "If we knew who invented the seked and the
> royal cubit, then we would know the earliest the
> Great Pyramid could have been designed."
> "p.s. For what it is worth, I think it was, at
> the earliest, the 3rd Dynasty Egyptians.’"
> Considering this is the accepted conventional
> wisdom, why do you think this then MJT?
Surely the FACT that Djoser's complex was modifed as it was being built, combined with the observable pattern of development of the 'pyramids' that followed, demonstrates that the GP was designed by the architect employed by Khufu who was benefit of the successes and failures preceding. This is especially true of the Seked used as it was an obvious result of Sneferu's experiences visa a vis the height vs slope problem....which to my thinking has a lot to do with achieving the maximum height with the minimal volume.